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    [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  pampa14 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:40 pm

    The link below provides a collection of photos, including some rare showing planes captured by the Germans with Finnish markings. Do you agree with the statement that the Petlyakov Pe-2 was the best light bomber of World War II? Visit the link, see the photos and give your opinion.


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/petlyakov-pe-2.html


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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:04 pm

    pampa14 wrote:
    The link below provides a collection of photos, including some rare showing planes captured by the Germans with Finnish markings. Do you agree with the statement that the Petlyakov Pe-2 was the best light bomber of World War II? Visit the link, see the photos and give your opinion.


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/petlyakov-pe-2.html


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    Not sure about the thread title.

    In making that claim about the PE-2, I am sure that you must be excluding the Mosquito from the comparison, it was on a level of its own.

    As Goering is quoted as saying "It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminum better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that?"
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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:44 am

    In reference to the Pe-2 perhaps a better title might be asking the best WWII Soviet twin engined bomber?

    It was certainly very popular and capable.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:In reference to the Pe-2 perhaps a better title might be asking the best WWII Soviet twin engined bomber?

    It was certainly very popular and capable.
    Very true.

    But you Gary are lucky to have the only airworthy Mosquito in your neck of the woods. Unlike the second Lancaster from Canada that came over last year, we will never see it back in the UK.

    One of the last, if not the last, RAF owned examples was ruined back in the late 60s by the Station Commander of the base it was located at (no proper Memorial Flight in those days) deciding to move it out of the rain into a heated hanger, to keep it safe of course, without realising that it would warp the timber. Should have been court marshalled.
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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:27 am

    I personally have admiration for the Lancaster, the Mosquito, and the much later Buccaneer... the P-51 and the B-29 get all the glory in the west from WWII...

    I personally think the Soviets had some of the best aircraft guns during the war and would have loved to have seen a Mosquito with some decent heavy cannon armament... of course heavy guns on a fighter version would have taken away its speed and ruined a good light bomber the way Hitler ruined the Me-262 by trying to make it a strike fighter.
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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  Godric on Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:I personally have admiration for the Lancaster, the Mosquito, and the much later Buccaneer... the P-51 and the B-29 get all the glory in the west from WWII...

    I personally think the Soviets had some of the best aircraft guns during the war and would have loved to have seen a Mosquito with some decent heavy cannon armament... of course heavy guns on a fighter version would have taken away its speed and ruined a good light bomber the way Hitler ruined the Me-262 by trying to make it a strike fighter.

    thankfully Hitler's interference delayed the Me262 by a year and a half .... had it been introduced in early 1943 .... Germany would have won the war but his insistence in making it a replacement for the Stuka was mindboggling


    back to light bombers the Pe-2 was a excellent aircraft as were the majority of the soviet aircraft in the 2nd half of the GPW ... the Mosquito was a excellent fighter bomber but it's use of wood and glue limited it's use in certain theatres of combat
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:I personally have admiration for the Lancaster, the Mosquito, and the much later Buccaneer... the P-51 and the B-29 get all the glory in the west from WWII...

    I personally think the Soviets had some of the best aircraft guns during the war and would have loved to have seen a Mosquito with some decent heavy cannon armament... of course heavy guns on a fighter version would have taken away its speed and ruined a good light bomber the way Hitler ruined the Me-262 by trying to make it a strike fighter.
    The Buccaneer had to die to make room for the Tornado, it was the last built like a tank English plane.

    The Mosquito had enough guns for its role, especially post 1943 when they were available in numbers. I've been reading about the 'packs' of up to 30 Mosquitos and Beaufighters (4 cannon+6 guns+rockets) sweeping the North North Sea and Skagerrak hunting German coastal traffic.

    I worked with a guy back in 1981 who had been a pilot in a stripped out PR Mosquito late in the war. He told of daytime flying back from Berlin, flat out to avoid German jets, with his no longer needed navigator (just aim the nose West) sitting on a special cushion facing backwards watching out for fighters. Very uncomfortable but they lived to tell the tale.
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    The Soviet executioner of Luftwaffe

    Post  pampa14 on Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:29 pm


    I share with you a collection of photos of the most produced Soviet fighter of all time, including some rare photos of the plane with Allied markings. We're talking about Yakovlev Yak-9, the first Soviet aircraft to shoot down a Me-262. To see a full report and the photos, visit the link below:


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/yakovlev-yak-9.html


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    Post  Godric on Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:18 pm

    pampa14 wrote:
    I share with you a collection of photos of the most produced Soviet fighter of all time, including some rare photos of the plane with Allied markings. We're talking about Yakovlev Yak-9, the first Soviet aircraft to shoot down a Me-262. To see a full report and the photos, visit the link below:


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/yakovlev-yak-9.html


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    slightly faster than a Fw 190A8 and slightly slower than a Fw 190 D9 .... the Yak 9 was a excellent machine ... it was more than a match for Germany's best fighter aircraft and their pilots .... had the West followed Patton's ideas of a continuation of WW2 this time against the Soviet Union ... they would have been in for one nasty surprise with some of the Soviet Aircraft
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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  Rodinazombie on Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:42 pm

    Are there any ww2 russian planes left that you can take a passenger ride in?
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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:21 pm



    Story about two Pe-2 bombers that were found recently in swamps.











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    A good idea, but ...

    Post  pampa14 on Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:34 pm


    The idea to carry smaller planes attached to larger aircraft has created some of the most strange and curious weapons used during the Second World War. The largest and most unusual of them was called Zveno Project. The link below shows a complete report with a fantastic collection of photos and some questions. This weapon entered service and was used in combat? It was efficient? Visit the link below and give your opinion.


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/parasitas-russos.html


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    Western wings under the Red Star

    Post  pampa14 on Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:49 pm


    Wow! I share with you this fantastic and extensive report bringing a super collection of incredible, stunning and rare photos showing various types of American and British fighters in service with the Soviet Air Force during World War II. Many of the images and planes shown in the article were unknown to me and did not even know they had flown with the legendary Red Star. Be sure to visit the link below, you will also be amazed by the images:


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/asas-ocidentais-sob-estrela-vermelha.html


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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:10 pm

    It might be from W-i-B but this seems a pretty good article on the Il-2

    https://warisboring.com/the-il-2-sturmovik-wrecked-nazi-tanks-a78bbc407680#.su1jee1wa
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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:06 am

    Oh dear god that is bad...

    Soviet aeronautical engineer Sergey Ilyushin proposed a Stuka-like plane with a twist — his ground-attack plane would be armored.

    Makes it sound like the Soviets suddenly thought they needed a ground attack aircraft with armour after seeing the Stuka.

    It even states in the article:

    Only a small number of Il-2s were deployed to frontline units — notably in the Fourth Aviation Assault Regiment — when the Wehrmacht began its devastating invasion of the Soviet Union on June 1941.

    So the soviets got the idea of the Il-2 from the Stuka yet had the Il-2 in service before they ever saw the stuka in combat... wow what an article.

    The facts are that the Soviets had plenty of designs for ground attack aircraft before the war before they had any idea the stuka existed and the Stuka is a dive bomber and the Il-2 is not... that is also why the stuka does not have heavy armour but these idiots don't understand this.
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    [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  nemrod on Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:41 pm

    Yak-1B
    Unit: 152nd IAP
    Serial: 58
    Pilot - Two time Hero of Soviet Union commander of 152 IAP Cpt.Sergey D. Luganskiy. Inscription says 'aircraft donated by members of the Komsomol and youth of city Alma-Ata'. '32' is the number of victories of Luganskiy, early in 1943.

    Interesting note, Luganskiy refused to transfer to the Yak-9 , preferring the maneuvering quality of the Yak-1B



    Many people used to think that USSR lagged behind German's air force Luftwaffe. USSR, and Red army only resisted thanks to US help. They are wrong, if I remember  Soviet air force gained the most victories in the second world war.
    It is noteworthy to witness that soviet's technology was among the most developped in the world during the conflict.
    If an aircraft like the Yak-1B was able to destroy at least 32 ennemy aircrafts, including FW-190, and Me-109, it means that soviet's engineering was at least equal as western's technology. If indeed, during the first parts of the war, Red Army sustained heavy losses, it was because Germans were prepared for the war, meanwhile USSR not.

    PS-This information was taken from FB's group dubbed Shadows of Ost Front
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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:20 am

    The Soviets got the most kills because they did the most fighting of the allies.

    They also lost a lot of planes and a lot of pilots for the same reasons... they had no where else to go.

    Of course the German figures were bloated because they wiped out several countries air forces and gained a lot of experience against weak foes... and experience is important in air combat.

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    Re: [WWII] Soviet Air Force

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:05 am

    Historical photo in full color. At the helm of the IL-2, the famous test pilot of the Ilyushin Design Bureau Vladimir Kokkinaki. Color: Olga Shirnina Klimbim


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