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    andrewlya
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    Chechen and Georgia Wars

    Post  andrewlya on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:01 am

    Hi guys, i have been having a discussion with someone who said that  Putin started a military conflict in two Chechen wars and Georgia.

    I have only got myself into politics recently and as far as I know Putin was not in power when the 1st Chechen war started and the Russians had to get involved in this war because the Chechen separatists were radicalized, brainwashed, egged on by radical Muslims one of them being from Saudi called Ibn al-Khattab. If the Russians had not got involved Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia could have been turned into another Islamic State like one in Syria.

    Russia had got involved in Afghan war when they had been invited by then Afghan government and the Georgian war had started when Georgian started on South Ossetian separatists, why did the Russians involve in the Georgian war if South Ossetia has nothing to do with Russia?

    Also, can someone explain in more details about the reasons Russia has got involved in Chechnya (why does Russia need Chechnya?) and Georgia?

    thanks

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    Re: Chechen and Georgia Wars

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:17 am

    andrewlya wrote:Hi guys, ive been having a discussion with someone who said that  Putin started a military conflict in two Chechen wars and Georgia.

    I have only got myself into politics recently and as far as I know Putin was not in power when the 1st Chechen war started and the Russians had to get involved in this war because the Chechen separatists were radicalised, brainwashed, egged on by radical Muslims one of them being from Saudi called Ibn al-Khattab. If the Russians had not got involved Chechnya,Dagestan and Ingushetia could have been turned into another Islamic State like one in Syria.

    Russsia had got involved in Afganwar when they had been invited by then Afgan government and the Georgian war had started when Georgian started on South Ossetian separatists, why did the Russians involve in the Georgian war if South Ossetia has nothing to do with Russia?

    Also, can someone explain in more details about the reasons Russia has got involved in Afgan,Chechnya (why does Russia need Chechnya?) and Georgia?

    thanks

    Putin wasn't responsible for any Chechen war and also not for Georgian war. 1st Chechen war was chechens fault along with George Soros NWO "Freedom for Chechnya" who financed terrorists and brought from other countries like pakistan mercenaries to fight all russians, killed and terrorist russians, civilian population, schools, hotels, theatres and massacred non chechens in the region, not even drunk yeltzin was to blame, but certainly was one of the reasons of the fuck ups in politics about that. Second chechen war was also prior to Putin, it was already existing before he got into Power, the war itself was the defacto independend chechnya that had an ethnic cleansing going on while even chechen population suffered under them.


    Georgia was similiar but a more open involvement and steering up shit from US otherwise the georgians wouldn't have the balls to attack russian troops, they were fooled for fools they are to believe US would help them with their ethnic cleansing of SO, but americans let them down obviously and Sackarschwilli blamed himself infront of entire world population that tie eating fool.

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    Re: Chechen and Georgia Wars

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:42 am

    First Chechen War - Russians whom resided there were facing their own little ethnic cleansing thanks to the crazy separatists and all guided by an ex Soviet general aiming for his own little kingdom. Such cleansings mixed in with terrorist attacks elsewhere, adding in an incompetent leader like Yeltsin and a bad economic time, help lead to the disaster of the first war.

    Second Chechen War - Chechnya had de-facto independence. They squandered it and attacked Daegestan (or was it Ingushetia?) and thus sparked the second war. Second war was aided with the assistance of foreign agents, especially George Soros groups, and Saudi Arabia/Pakistan whom had sent their own Wahabist fighters into the region. Many of these so called "freedom fighters" by the idiot west were arabs and not even Chechens. As well, they cannot be called Freedom fighters when they attack a republic of Russia that voted to stay part of Russia and did nothing to receive the aggression.

    Georgian War - Happened when Medvedev was in power. Georgians got cocky regarding how Tie Eater Shaka was to obtain "western backing" since he obtained all this modernized equipment with the assistance from Israel, and US provided a lot of training (as well as sending Georgians to Afghanistan for boot lickings). The cockyness ended up costing the lives of various Russian Peacekeepers in South Ossetia when Georgia launched an attack using artillery. This sparked Russia to retaliate and well, force the independence of the breakaway republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Whom were both fighting against Georgia since the 90's for independence. This wasnt the first conflict Russia had with Georgia. I think first one was in 93. At that time, there were three breakaway republics.

    First and Second Chechen war, Putin wasn't in power yet. Second Chechen war happened in August 1999 and Yeltsin was in power till December 1999. Putin came into power in May 7, 2000 for the first time. That is when also in May 2000 Second Chechen war ended and start the anti insurgency/counter terrorism started. That lasted for 9 years and now after finally dealing with majority of the terrorists there, have moved onto Daegestan and Ingushetia to deal with counter terrorism. Actually, in this case, you can say they been dealing with counter terrorism in these regions for at least over a decade. And well, prior to Soviet Union, for over a hundred years?

    Georgian War was different of course, but Putin wasn't responsible for both either. Putin wasn't President in 1993 and wasn't either in 2008 (he was PM). Conspiracy theorists blame him for everything, and so do the nutjobs in the west (politicians and what not). But if you do the dates/times and what not, he isn't at fault for them. He could have had some responsibilities involving them, and he is directly responsible for the counter terrorist operations since, but not the flat out wars themselves.

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    Re: Chechen and Georgia Wars

    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:12 am

    andrewlya wrote:why did the Russians involve in the Georgian war if South Ossetia has nothing to do with Russia?

    Russia has an autonomous North Ossetian Republic inside their own territory.

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    Re: Chechen and Georgia Wars

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:47 am

    The Russians got involved in the conflict in Georgia because the Georgians shelled Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia.

    The huge irony is that the Europeans refused to ratify the CFE treaty because the Russians had peacekeepers based in South Ossetia and Nagorny Karabakh (spelling)... the irony of which is that the US now bases heavy armour in the Baltics and other eastern european countries that would also violate the CFE treaty.


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    Re: Chechen and Georgia Wars

    Post  andrewlya on Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:43 pm

    Thanks for the answers, guys!

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