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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:13 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"International monitors say they have spotted a new kind of Russian weapons system in rebel-held Ukraine this week, possible evidence of Moscow's continued interest in Ukraine even as it focuses on Syria. The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, which is monitoring a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine, reported that its monitors had seen a mobile TOS-1 'Buratino' weapons system for the first time. The Buratino is equipped with thermobaric warheads which spread a flammable liquid around a target and then ignite it. It can destroy several city blocks in one strike and cause indiscriminate damage. Only Russia produces the system and it was not exported to Ukraine before the conflict broke out, according to IHS Jane's Group and the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which track arms exports.

    The OSCE's findings are embarrassing for the Kremlin, which has turned down its rhetoric on Ukraine and shifted attention to Syria, where it has begun air strikes. The report comes before President Vladimir Putin holds talks in Paris on Friday with the leaders of Germany, France and Ukraine on the peace process. The Russian defense ministry did not reply to written questions from Reuters about whether Ukrainian rebels were supplied with the weapon or where it had been exported.

    Russia denies its military is even in Ukraine. But there have been numerous signs that Moscow backed the rebels with troops and equipment. Reuters reporters spotted two burnt-out tanks last year which military experts identified as Russian army tanks in rebel-held territory. Alexander Hug, deputy chief monitor of the OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine, told Reuters by phone monitors had spotted the Buratino at a rebel training area in the village of Kruhlyk.



    "We saw the weapon on that training ground," Hug said. "Both sides agreed a year ago to withdraw heavy weaponry from the line of contact. Having them near the line of contact is of course a concern as this weapon should be in storage and not be used." Hug said the weapons system was "indiscriminate and very destructive." The Popular Mechanics website called TOS-1 "hell on earth" for anyone it targeted.

    According to IHS Jane's and the Stockholm Institute's unofficial arms transfers database, Russia has only exported the system to Azerbaijan, Iraq and Kazakhstan. Ukraine said it did not possess the Buratino. "We have not got them and we have never had it in service," Vladislav Seleznyov, a spokesman for the Ukrainian military, told Reuters. "The Russian army has it. It was used against us in the area of Donetsk airport."

    Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/02/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-idUSKCN0RW0UL20151002

    I wont comment anything myself ill just say: "Hmm..."

    sniff sniff... do I detect the tang of fresh bovine excrement?...

    Could be very fresh. Till i dont see photo and video i wont belive my own mom on this one.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:55 pm

    SturmGuard wrote:Falling for "equality, brotherhood" and "supernational" identity led to an anti-Russian revolution and war, under the leadership of people who openly called for destruction and dismantling of Russian nation, tradition and state. I can't help myself, I have to notice the irony of people calling themselves Russian patriots and nationalists while following a vehemently anti-Russian ideology. None of current Russian problems would be present had there been no Bolshevik revolution and rule. Socialist rule created anti-Russian policies, fabricated Ukraine in its present form and laid the groundwork for aggresive Ukrainization.

    Soviet times are over, not short enough were they, and E.Europe particularly Russia paid a horrible
    price. Such lessons are too pricy to be forgotten, and idealistic daydreaming without taking (human) reality into consideration will lead to similar tragedies. As in Rus principalities and revolutionary times, unity is the most valuable thing, and something your enemies target and want to exploit.

    Just a foreigner's perspective, with similar country history.

    Absolutely agree!!! And Russia is not only nation that played horrible price of chasing unattainable fantasies.

    Look after yourself and live in the real world with real life goals. Only way to live right.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:59 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    SturmGuard wrote:Falling for "equality, brotherhood" and "supernational" identity led to an anti-Russian revolution and war, under the leadership of people who openly called for destruction and dismantling of Russian nation, tradition and state. I can't help myself, I have to notice the irony of people calling themselves Russian patriots and nationalists while following a vehemently anti-Russian ideology. None of current Russian problems would be present had there been no Bolshevik revolution and rule. Socialist rule created anti-Russian policies, fabricated Ukraine in its present form and laid the groundwork for aggresive Ukrainization.

    Soviet times are over, not short enough were they, and E.Europe particularly Russia paid a horrible
    price. Such lessons are too pricy to be forgotten, and idealistic daydreaming without taking (human) reality into consideration will lead to similar tragedies. As in Rus principalities and revolutionary times, unity is the most valuable thing, and something your enemies target and want to exploit.

    Just a foreigner's perspective, with similar country history.
    I'm not a Bolshevik and do not go with "internationalism" as, IMO, it is one of the midwives to the modern "political corrrectness" which is a disease that needs wiping out. I have posted before that the problems faced today were created by Lenin and Krushchev. However, I will not tolerate a return to what we see in this photo...

    Return???

    It never left and never will.

    Clans, slavery, feudalism, capitalism, communism, corporate rule... all different names for the same thing.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:22 pm


    ''Ukraine's President Failing on All Sides – US Analyst

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is a failure on the home front and abroad, and just how long he is going to cling to power is simply a matter of time now, a US sociologist said on Friday''


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151003/1027968110/ukraine-poroshenko-failure.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:25 pm

    kvs wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Press-secretary of ex-Prez Yuschenko claimed that the West has abandoned and betrayed Ukraina.

    Harsh truth.

    http://infopolk.ru/1/V/news/1443862364#6c945777-f0d6-4201-b042-84104abba344


    +1 ROFL Very Happy

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:27 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Return???

    It never left and never will.

    Clans, slavery, feudalism, capitalism, communism, corporate rule... all different names for the same thing.

    Well, there will always be beggars, but in modern "developed" countries there is not what we see on that photo as a part of normal life as it used to be, where all working class people were permanently on the verge of poverty and maybe had accomodation tied to their employment, and if they lost their job they were literaly in the gutter. And these days the rich will not get away with having the poor tug their forelock and bow as these "gods" make their "majestic progress" in their carridges. A good sign of the times is, if you saw, a year or so ago when a priest tried to kiss Putin's hand, and Putin was shocked, almost disgusted that anybody would want to debase themselves with such nonsense.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  auslander on Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:45 pm

    Solncepek wrote:Putin’s Global Game Changer

    Contrary to the expectations of many experts who were predicting a “second Munich” from Vladimir Putin in New York, the Russian president made no grandiose proclamations during his address to the UN General Assembly. In fact, he was outwardly far milder than one might have imagined. By comparison, Obama’s emotional speech, which was replete with strident but unsubstantiated claims, seemed sad, and occasionally even comical. For example, there was a passage about the ouster of Assad, but then less than a day later the US position flip-flopped …

    After the speeches, Putin and Obama sat down for a nearly two-hour conversation, after which the US president could not even rouse himself sufficiently to emerge to speak to journalists. The Russian president conducted an exhaustive press conference on his own.

    What is the takeaway from those last three days in September, which, according to many observers, lay to rest the idea of a unipolar world?

    First of all, the US is making profound changes in its attitude to Poroshenko’s regime in Ukraine, assembling a reserve set of “politicians” and revoking its green light for military action. Incumbent PM Yatsenyuk is more likely to be replaced by Sergey Lyovochkin, former head of ex-president Yanukovych’ administration and memner of “Opposition Bloc”. Given the pacification of Kiev and the Southeast in accordance with the Kremlin’s terms, the US withdrawal from Ukraine – and the withdrawal of Ukraine itself into the shadow of the world’s agenda – the US wager on the “Opposition Bloc” makes perfect sense.

    The very next day in Minsk, Aleksandr Zakharchenko and Leonid Kuchma confirmed that weapons of a caliber less than 100 mm. would be pulled back 15 km. behind the front line, which actually signifies an end to the hostilities. For the preceding seven months no one had been able to reach an agreement on this point. At the same time, Kiev admitted that it had committed war crimes in the Donbass: several stories on this topic appeared over the course of a single day in the Ukrainian media, from the admission that Oles Buzina had been killed by commandos from a special forces unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to an acknowledgment of crimes committed by “territorial” battalions. Obviously this would not have happened without an order from the American embassy. To this must be added the resignation of Evelyn Farkas, the Pentagon’s top official overseeing military relations with Russia and Ukraine. Ms. Farkas had held that position for five years. She will officially leave her post in late October. It should be noted that this senior official had insisted on retaliatory measures against Russia’s policy in Ukraine and had also facilitated the provision of financial aid to Kiev.

    And all this occurred less than a day after Vladimir Putin’s speech in New York and his meeting with Obama. That means that all these events were the result of a deal. And in fact, these are only the first fruits. Clearly there is more to come. But the trend is clear – the US has acknowledged the legitimacy of Russian claims that Ukraine is within Russia’s sphere of interest.

    russiajets-608903Second, the situation in and around Syria changed dramatically over the course of one day. The US is no longer insisting on Assad’s resignation. The US is not opposing Russian military involvement in operations against ISIL and is prepared to enter into immediate negotiations with Russia about the formation of a united front against terrorists. Russia’s air force launched strikes on ISIL strongholds after Assad asked Moscow for military assistance, and the Federation Council approved the use of the Russian air force against the terrorists in Syria. That would have been inconceivable even on the morning of Sept. 28. But only a day and a half later this was the reality, which is evidence of the dramatic change in the entire global geopolitical picture.

    Time magazine had written about this just the day before.

       If Putin can get Obama to go along with his proposal as well, it would mark one of the greatest diplomatic triumphs of his 15 years in power.

    This means Russia’s victory is now official. The only question is – victory over whom?

    What I mean is – I would like to emphasize that this is not a victory over Obama, as many experts are simplistically trying to present it, but over a powerful supranational grouping, which uses the United States as a battering ram in order to plunge the world into a new Middle Ages. And this group’s reaction to the agreement between Putin and Obama quickly followed. Right out of the blue Hillary Clinton launched into a tirade of criticism against Obama. But she was not lambasting him over agreements with Russia on Syria and Ukraine, as one might have expected, but over a purely domestic issue – ObamaCare.

    Leaving aside for the moment the content of his speech, which has already been picked over for quotes, let us try to answer the main question – why did Putin have to address the “international community” at all? Couldn’t he have just published an article in any international media outlet? The answer is very simple – for the same reason he had to help a flock of young Siberian cranes get to where they needed to go. The content of Putin’s New York speech takes a distant second to the psychological component of his message to the leaders of the world community and the global decision-makers in the West. Time will reveal the significance of that. But, looking at how the global picture evolved between Sept. 29 and 30, we can see that Putin really got through to the intended audience for his statements. And he was more than just heard – specific agreements have now been reached with Moscow regarding the first steps for getting out of the quagmire into which the backstage elites have led the world.

    I gave you a plus on this one, I think you bring up some very valid points. One has to wonder what Mr. Putin said to Mrs. Merkel a month ago to have her tell Mr. Poroshenko to suddenly order his army to cease fire for the most part and call of his planned attack on DNR/LNR.

    The look on Mr. Poroshenko's face earlier today was of a very worried and unhappy man after he was forced to sign the withdrawal of another class of weapons from the lines, but of course he never came near to completing the first weapons class withdrawal. At least the constant bombardments have ceased for the time being.

    One can also wonder what Mr. Putin said in private at the UNGA event this weekend past. Whatever it was, one could feel the change during the week. However, one must never let one's guard down, US/NATO/EU are relentless and will not stop their steady assault on RF and Mr. Putin personally.

    It's going to be an interesting week.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:28 pm

    His copy must be different from the one that I read;
    http://www.interfax.ru/world/471113

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  auslander on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:06 pm

    franco wrote:His copy must be different from the one that I read;
    http://www.interfax.ru/world/471113

    Parallel universe with acute alcohol poisoning. Someone needs to catch him sober and read Minsk 2 to him in 4 year old speak.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:19 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Return???

    It never left and never will.

    Clans, slavery, feudalism, capitalism, communism, corporate rule... all different names for the same thing.

    Well, there will always be beggars, but in modern "developed" countries there is not what we see on that photo as a part of normal life as it used to be, where all working class people were permanently on the verge of poverty and maybe had accomodation tied to their employment, and if they lost their job they were literaly in the gutter. And these days the rich will not get away with having the poor tug their forelock and bow as these "gods" make their "majestic progress" in their carridges. A good sign of the times is, if you saw, a year or so ago when a priest tried to kiss Putin's hand, and Putin was shocked, almost disgusted that anybody would want to debase themselves with such nonsense.

    Didn't see it but it does not surprise me one bit.

    I am believer myself but Orthodox church definitely needs to improve its hiring process and discipline.

    Since when are priests supposed to drive BMWs and grovel before politicians? Putin was way too polite, should have kicked him in the ass...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:30 pm

    Novorossiya Raccoons found this by ukrops "historian" Viktor Berezyak. "Atlantis - The secrets of Ukranian ancient History". He says that Atlanteans were the original Ukranians, and also the Sumerians were really Ukranians. People believe this crap, and what is even more disturbing, and I think I wrote about this before, real and properly qualified ukrops historian, Sergei Yekelchuk, has tried to claim that a group of people from 40,000 years ago can be identified as "Ukranian". I don't think even North Korea is this mad, I don't think any country is this mad....

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:38 pm

    I didn't find anything to substantiate the reports that the "Hammer and Sickle" factory in Kharkov was attacked. But I did find a report by ukrops that the hospital destroyed by the Americans in Afghanistan was in fact a Taliban base. They are truely sick. Obama does not need toilet paper as there is a long queue of ukrops waiting in line to do it for him.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Neutrality on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:46 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Novorossiya Raccoons found this by ukrops "historian" Viktor Berezyak. "Atlantis - The secrets of Ukranian ancient History". He says that Atlanteans were the original Ukranians, and also the Sumerians were really Ukranians. People believe this crap, and what is even more disturbing, and I think I wrote about this before, real and properly qualified ukrops historian, Sergei Yekelchuk, has tried to claim that a group of people from 40,000 years ago can be identified as "Ukranian". I don't think even North Korea is this mad, I don't think any country is this mad....

    Jesus christ...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:50 am


    I'll just double post this...confused lol1



    https://twitter.com/sbobkov

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:17 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Novorossiya Raccoons found this by ukrops "historian" Viktor Berezyak. "Atlantis - The secrets of Ukranian ancient History". He says that Atlanteans were the original Ukranians, and also the Sumerians were really Ukranians. People believe this crap, and what is even more disturbing, and I think I wrote about this before, real and properly qualified ukrops historian, Sergei Yekelchuk, has tried to claim that a group of people from 40,000 years ago can be identified as "Ukranian". I don't think even North Korea is this mad, I don't think any country is this mad....

    Jesus christ...

    ...was a Ukrainian according to Berezyak.

    I wrote this as a joke, but now I'm not too sure given that its plausible for Nulandistanis to believe such rot.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:23 am

    Khepesh wrote:Novorossiya Raccoons found this by ukrops "historian" Viktor Berezyak. "Atlantis - The secrets of Ukranian ancient History". He says that Atlanteans were the original Ukranians, and also the Sumerians were really Ukranians. People believe this crap, and what is even more disturbing, and I think I wrote about this before, real and properly qualified ukrops historian, Sergei Yekelchuk, has tried to claim that a group of people from 40,000 years ago can be identified as "Ukranian". I don't think even North Korea is this mad, I don't think any country is this mad....

    Yo there were other such books about Ukraine in Antiquity etc, purity of people etc. Top class.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:35 am

    SturmGuard wrote:Falling for "equality, brotherhood" and "supernational" identity led to an anti-Russian revolution and war, under the leadership of people who openly called for destruction and dismantling of Russian nation, tradition and state. I can't help myself, I have to notice the irony of people calling themselves Russian patriots and nationalists while following a vehemently anti-Russian ideology. None of current Russian problems would be present had there been no Bolshevik revolution and rule. Socialist rule created anti-Russian policies, fabricated Ukraine in its present form and laid the groundwork for aggresive Ukrainization.

    Soviet times are over, not short enough were they, and E.Europe particularly Russia paid a horrible
    price. Such lessons are too pricy to be forgotten, and idealistic daydreaming without taking (human) reality into consideration will lead to similar tragedies. As in Rus principalities and revolutionary times, unity is the most valuable thing, and something your enemies target and want to exploit.

    Just a foreigner's perspective, with similar country history.
    It was the white bourgeoisie and dvoryans that destroyed russian unity by sending foreign imperialist invaders, allying with the poles, Petlyura, Basmachis and terrorizing the jews and russian peasants. How was the donbass "ukrainized" when practically no one spoke galician during the ussr, and right wing nationalism was strictly punished?

    The ussr thought it was doing the ukrainians a favor by promoting their identity towards them, thus strengthining the international sviet alliance and stopping the influence of bandera. And indeed it worked since there was no nationalist feeling in ukraine before 1991 outside of galicia which wasnt soviet initially anyways. So stop spreading the retarded lies of evuhl jew plots against godly russia.
    Russophobia in ukraine was strictly a result of antisoviet lies spread by subversive western bourgeois propaganda and NGOs since the 1930s, started by william hearst, the nazis and the pilsudski dictatorship up to the NED in the 90s

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:32 pm

    Dream on brother. More at link.

    Antifascist October 2, 2015 October 4, 2015 Translated from Russian by Tom Winter

    Donbass is not abandoned by Russia. The situation is, of course, is seriously delayed, but the integration with Russia remains on the agenda. This was announced on the air IC News Front by well-known Donetsk journalist, former press attache of FC "Miner," Ruslan Marmazov. Having established in Syria that it must be reckoned with, Russia establishes that it must be reckoned with where it suits, including Ukraine, he explained.

    "It's what we all want, in the Donetsk and Lugansk, and everywhere in the Donbass, and what we are very much hoping for, and what we very much believe is that it will all work out for us as it did for Crimea. We really rely on this.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.no/2015/10/reunification-of-donbass-with-russia-is.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Return???

    It never left and never will.

    Clans, slavery, feudalism, capitalism, communism, corporate rule... all different names for the same thing.

    Communism existed millions of years ago. That is the colonies of ants, termites, and bees.

    The problem here is Marx, Lenin and his version of communist society are vastly different from bees and ants. Marx did not plan to lead humanity into bee and ant colonies. If he did, Europe would have abandoned him long long ago.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:31 pm

    Oops Cool

    https://www.rt.com/business/317664-ukraine-gdp-world-bank/

    Ukraine’s economy will contract 12 percent in 2015, according to the World Bank. This is an acute drop from similar estimates in April, when the Ukrainian GDP was predicted to fall 7.5 percent.

    Inflation’s going to hit 23.4 percent in 2016, considering a hike in property taxes and expectations from business, said World Bank economist in Ukraine Anastasia Golovach.

    The World Bank expects the external debt of Kiev to reach 153 percent of GDP in 2015 and 134.2 percent in 2016.

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    Porkie the loser Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151003/1027968110/ukraine-poroshenko-failure.html

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is a failure on the home front and abroad, and just how long he is going to cling to power is simply a matter of time now, a US sociologist said on Friday.

    “The problem in Ukraine today is the strength that the right… is exercising on the government, and the attempts by Poroshenko to mobilize world opinion against Russia at the UN were a total fiasco,” James Petras, Professor at Binghamton University in New York, said in an interview with RT.

    Professor Petras said he was confident that, with the situation in Ukraine’s southeast now stabilizing, “we are going to get a federal state in the process and the extremists in Kiev will have a difficult time mobilizing international support and any kind of major military operation.”

    President Poroshenko is very vulnerable and weak. Discontent with the economic conditions for the majority of people in Kiev is increasingly hostile and he has no domestic foundations to sustain his rule, Petras noted.

    “The question is who will replace him… Poroshenko doesn’t really know what he wants because he is failing on all sides: he is attacking Russia… he hasn’t been able to put together a development strategy to get out of the recession; he doesn’t have strong military support. I think Poroshenko will stay on by default, not because he is a strong president, not because he has a viable foreign policy, but because no one else is around that can actually implement an alternative program,” James Petras said in conclusion.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:56 pm

    Not all UkOps are stupid

    KIEV, October 5. /TASS/. Some 16,000 Ukrainian soldiers have defected from the zone of military operations in conflict-riven eastern Donbas – many carrying weapons, the country’s chief military prosecutor said on Monday.

    “We have investigated 16,000 criminal cases regarding defectors who have left the zone of military operations, and a significant part of them defected with weapons,” Anatoly Matios told reporters.

    The Interior Ministry has launched a search for all those missing, but no more than 1,000 had been located over the past year, he said.

    Deputy head of Ukraine’s armed forces mobilization department Colonel Alexander Pravdivets has reported that during a sixth wave of call-up almost 27,000 conscripts, around 50% of the total, had dodged army service.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:04 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Return???

    It never left and never will.

    Clans, slavery, feudalism, capitalism, communism, corporate rule... all different names for the same thing.

    Communism existed millions of years ago. That is the colonies of ants, termites, and bees.

    The problem here is Marx, Lenin and his version of communist society are vastly different from bees and ants. Marx did not plan to lead humanity into bee and ant colonies. If he did, Europe would have abandoned him long long ago.

    Communism, actual and true communism not leninism, marxism or other garbage, was the only reason humans in every single place of the world made the transition from hunter and gatherer to civilizations due their capability to obtain surplus of food, that gave some of the people within such tribes free time to do and explore other things, agriculture was invented, domesticating of animals was invented, pottery, smithing, fishing etc all could have been achieved due the surplus that was accomplished by actual communism system within tribes.

    Without communism we would still hunt and gather and die off if we could not hunt through winter.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:02 pm

    I might be slipping but this is the first mention I have seen of the <100mm withdrawal timescale, up to 41 weeks!!!

    At the same time a few days ago, Ukrainian security officials announced the beginning of the withdrawal of weapons, including tanks - T-64 and T-72, anti-tank guns D-48 and D-44 caliber 85 mm mortars 2B-9 caliber 82 mm from the contact line. The process of removal of weapons will be divided into two phases and will last 41 weeks.

    http://fortruss.blogspot.no/2015/10/ukraine-moves-tanks-and-missile.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I might be slipping but this is the first mention I have seen of the <100mm withdrawal timescale, up to 41 weeks!!!

    At the same time a few days ago, Ukrainian security officials announced the beginning of the withdrawal of weapons, including tanks - T-64 and T-72, anti-tank guns D-48 and D-44 caliber 85 mm mortars 2B-9 caliber 82 mm from the contact line. The process of removal of weapons will be divided into two phases and will last 41 weeks.

    http://fortruss.blogspot.no/2015/10/ukraine-moves-tanks-and-missile.html

    How interesting, Ukrainians suddenly have T72s in service Very Happy They base most of their "Russians are in Donbass" chant on fact that they do not operate T72s Smile Shortages made them to pull rustbuckets out and repaint them.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:34 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Novorossiya Raccoons found this by ukrops "historian" Viktor Berezyak. "Atlantis - The secrets of Ukranian ancient History". He says that Atlanteans were the original Ukranians, and also the Sumerians were really Ukranians. People believe this crap, and what is even more disturbing, and I think I wrote about this before, real and properly qualified ukrops historian, Sergei Yekelchuk, has tried to claim that a group of people from 40,000 years ago can be identified as "Ukranian". I don't think even North Korea is this mad, I don't think any country is this mad....

    To be fair we have the same kind of authors and books in Russia too.

    Dugin and Gumilev are amongst the most well known but there are plenty of more crazy ones too.

    One of them goes by the pseudo-name of Alexander Peresvet; a famous Russian warrior-monk from the Middle Ages. He's written a whole series of books about BS; one of them which I bought and haven't started reading yet, because unlike the others it actually looks interesting (even if it's likely BS).


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