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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  par far on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:21 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:Saudi wanting to step up supplies to terrorists Russia might just send an aircraft with ATGW to Houthis in Sana'a. This could easily become a wider dangerous war in the region and beyond.


    Russia can Grab the Saudis by their balls, I don't know why Russia has not started to support the Houthis and their aliies, if the Saudi do step supplies to terrorists in Syria, Russia should start supporting the Houthis. Give the Houthis long range missiles, so they can attack Saudi oil fields and make oil prices go up.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:23 pm

    Cruise missiles usually have a self destruction system if they fail to reach the designated target. Just like any modern weapon system.


    Why is American saying this instead of Iran? :-



    Tehran Has No Info on Cruise Missiles Which Allegedly Landed in Iran dunno

    It's only a story to seed a message of doubt.Pathetic propaganda from a nation with zero credibility.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  iraqidabab on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:24 pm

    Saudi doesn't border Syria though. Turkey is more endangered by what plays off in Syria.

    Saudi danger comes from Yemen and internal. If Russia wants to pressure Gulf from stopping this they need to deal with Houthis and Saleh loyalists in Sana'a. if Saudi keeps supporting terror the Houthis will keep firing ATGM at Saudi Abrams, they can't stop Russia from supplying as they couldn't stop an Iranian 747 from landing in Yemen.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:27 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote: "It's clear"  that something has happened  .. but i don't know what?





    No ..its not clear at all.. stop spreading Bullshit.. People should stop for once speaking in
    absolute terms without any single evidence ,than Rumors.. There is no evidence to claim what CNN says is true..  Iranian Government is also calling US claims propaganda..   Russian government says is not true, they verified all its attacks hit on the target..with drones in Syria..




    IRAN : claims of Russians crashed missiles psychological war ..

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20151008/1028231635/iran-russia-isil-missile.html

    IRan and Russia denies CNN propaganda.. you only began to question things when
    CNN began to claim such things.. not earlier. So your naive to take seriously CNN. Even if what Pentagon and CNN claims was true.. (which is not).. there is no way for americans to know about where cruise missiles landed because they fly low (mountains covers them) and cannot be detected by Radars in Turkey or anywhere in middle east or any part of the world.  To detect cruise missiles at long distances flying across mountains ,you need to know in advance the operation and the flight path of the missiles ,and you needs NATO AWACS flying over IRAN and that didn't  happen.. The pentagon actually complains ,that they were taken by surprise. Simply is information war.. and they seeking to irritate Russia , downplay its capabilities at any time they can.

    The claims of Russia that their planes will be shot down soon however should be taken
    as a direct threat to Russia by the pentagon.. that Americans military themselves will try to shot down their planes.. This is as close as a declaration of war as it can be..


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:31 pm

    A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:32 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry: Russian missiles found their targets in Syria, regardless of the expectations of the Pentagon

    October 8, 2015, 21:37 Ministry of Defense shows a missile launching in Syria almost in real time, without concealing the effects of shock. This was stated by spokesman of the military department, Major-General Igor Konashenkov commenting appeared in the Western media about the allegedly fallen in Iran, Russian missiles.

    "Unlike CNN, we do not talk, citing anonymous sources, and show launches of our rockets and affected by them targets in almost real time. I can not say anything, but any professional in this field knows that in carrying out such operations are always fixed the target image before and after the impact, "- he said.

    The representative of the Defense Ministry said that over Syria clock working group of Russian drone." So, how would nor it was unpleasant and "surprises" for our colleagues in the Pentagon and Langley yesterday hit with precision weapons infrastructure LIH in Syria, still all running from ships missiles found their targets. It's a fact. Otherwise it would have to admit that located at a considerable distance from each other objects of terrorist groups in Syria yesterday LIH exploded themselves. And almost simultaneously ", - summed Konashenkov

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201510082137-e71w.htm

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .


    Explosion of SLCM would be much bigger than that.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:

    Err, what?

    Israel has nothing to fear from russia, they are not enemies and you will never find them in a situation where israel needs to fear that they are in range of russian missiles. Plus, israel is made of stern stuff, if russia was swinging its long shiny missile stick around to try and scare them, im pretty sure the israelis would just tell them to piss off. I dont get why you think this had anything to do with it.
    It was a bit tongue in cheek but Russia is now allied with Hezbollah and Iran, two of Israel's bitterest enemies, in Syria. This means that Israel, defending what it sees as its prime interests, could come into conflict with Russia, especially down the line when/if ISIS is pushed back into the desert and Hezbollah starts thinking about going home, with a few new goodies.

    It is a measure of the level of concern of this occurring that the military delegation was at virtually the highest level possible. The meeting is potentially really good as at least the Russians are talking to one of the Israel/Turkey/US group and Israel has good military ties with the US.

    EDIT

    Just found this which is timely,

    http://warisboring.com/articles/israel-worries-about-russias-intervention-in-syria/


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 pm

    That's one small crater for supposedly 450-500 Kg warhead.

    Anyway.. unexploded ordnance is not rare... some US tomahawk also failed to explode.. Though it may have reached it target.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-militants-collect-unexploded-tomahawk-missiles-making-car-bombs-photos-610049

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:39 pm

    Forget that  so called ''Iran's official statement''....the local news are all over it....meanwhile the security forces are trying to clean every piece of evidence in the crash site ....


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:39 pm

    State Department could not confirm reports of the alleged fall of the Russian missiles in Iran

    http://ria.ru/world/20151008/1299045841.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:42 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Guys, Forget that  so called ''Iran's official statement''....the local news are all over it....meanwhile the security forces are trying to clean every piece of evidence in the crash site ....

    ew this will make verification bit complicated...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:44 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote: Guys, Forget that  so called ''Iranian official statement''....the local news are all over it....meanwhile the security forces are trying to clean every piece of evidence in the crash site ....

    Rogue missile is possible and nothing new as @Stealthflanker pointed out , point is Pentagon tried to spin it as "several missiles" and as you say Iranian local media reported one. Between one and several is big difference.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  NationalRus on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:47 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .


    dude think, think with your brain! wrackage carefully and immediately removed if it didnt exploded and what do you think a 450kg warhead on a 3M-14 would do if exploded? create a 2m wide hole? the shockwave alone would have blown away or severely damage 3/4 of the village houses in the background

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:50 pm

    All types of ammunition malfunction, i dont think anyone here really believes its beyond all realms of possibility that a russian missile went astray, it happens often, and not just to russians. The reason for the doubt, is that the americans are all over it and trying to propagandise it immediately. Considering they have zero credibility with us to begin with after their lies recently, they need to get their story straight and make it credible to have us believe it.

    To join in the crater debate, do we have any photos of previous craters caused by these to compare to?


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:51 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .


    Thats not evidence dude of a Club missile crash. i see nothing there..
    you should stop spreading western propaganda here.. Where are the others 3 explosions?
    a 500kg warhead will do much more damage than that..  There is nothing clear other than
    the west is buthurt with Russia successful cruise missile attack on Syria and that they have
    been humiliated by Russia blocking their war on Syria and no fly zone.

    if weight alone is any indication the warhead of a Klub missile is more powerful than
    a KAB-500 bomb.. that is only 380 kg its warhead.. Russia is mostly using Kab-250 on its
    airstrikes and do a lot of damage. A Klub missile damage should cover and area
    100 meters at least.



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