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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:33 pm

    According to US military, at least 4 cruise missiles that was fired by Russian ships in the Caspian sea crashed in as they were flying over Iran.


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/





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    Russian Missiles Aimed At Syria Reportedly Hit Iran

    Russian missiles aimed at Syria reportedly landed in Iran on Thursday.

    The mistaken bombing, launched from a Russian warship in the Caspian Sea, was firstreported by CNN, which received the information from two unnamed U.S. officials.

    The report is consistent with Iranian media accounts of an explosion in northwestern Iran. The Islamic Republic Press Agency, an official Iranian government press outlet, reported on Thursday that the governor of Takab said an "unidentified flying object" near the town crashed and then exploded. The article contained a photo of a drone, however, and did not provide details about the origins of the crash and explosion.

    Iranian journalists have subsequently tweeted these government reports.

    A Pentagon spokesperson declined to comment on the incident.

    The Iranian and Russian governments did not immediately respond to request for comment.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-missiles-syria-iran_5616a672e4b0e66ad4c6d54e


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:33 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Dima wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Zhongqing wrote:
    auslander wrote:Be prepared, gentlemen and lady, that it's only a matter of time before we lose some machines and boys. You take the King's schilling, sometimes you pay the King's price.

    Maybe, maybe not, but who says these are Russian Mi-24s? Syria has 30+ in their inventory. These might be their Mi-24s, or Russian Mi-24s piloted by Syrians. Russia has been training Syrian pilots since the Cold War.

    Considering these are supporting the Syrian Army's Hama and Latakia offensives

    My comment was not in regards to this particular action per se, it is a statement of reality, sooner or later we will lose some of our boys. I don't like it one bit but it will happen. Even the most inept idiot with an automat or a sling shot can get 'lucky' once.
    It looks as if you badly want that to happen?  Shocked

    Would you be saying the same stuff if say the Ukranian nazi's are attacking your neighborhood (which is only a pipedream now, thanks to Russia) and your near and dear ones are in the direct area of action...will you be outright with the belief that someone will be lost?

    No, my statement was to calm some of the euphoria of the overwhelming successes our boys have had in the last week. It is a fact of life we will lose some boys in the war, that is the nature of war.
    I am with Auslander on this subject. The two of us are much the same age so a lot older than most on here. I understand how he meant it. The chances of every Russian returning home unhurt must be statistically pretty low, after all, if this were occurring inside Russia as an exercise there would probably be accidents even deaths, that is one of the risks of being a soldier.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 pm

    zg18 wrote:LOL I can`t believe how much butt hurt Americans have over Russian deployment to Syria , now Russians missiles are falling off skies  lol1




    Someone is projecting their insecurities. Razz

    CIA seems to have forgot that time back in '99 when Tomahawk nearly blew a hole in the middle of Sofia, Bulgaria...only 600 km off target... lol1

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:37 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:According to US military, at least 4 cruise missiles that was fired by Russian ships in the Caspian sea crashed in as they were flying over Iran.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:38 pm

    Monarchist wrote:
    Siempre_Leal wrote:Jihadist scramble after seeing Mi-24Ps near Salma, Latakia
    Please just look at them. And these are the one's SAA can't defeat.. Jesus Christ Rolling Eyes they are a complete joke.

    Dude if you don't know anything about Syria conflict.. you will not judge like that..
    Syria is under attack by US ,NATO ,Gulf states and Israel.. that place is very close to
    Turkey border.. guess what happens when Syrian Planes fly close to their own border?
    They are shot down.. Against you are mistaken if you think those jihadist is what Syria fighting
    there are NATO special forces too with manpads,hidden that help the terrorist. What i saw in that video was an ambush ..trying to get the attention of an hellicopter to head there.. with lots of bushes where terrorist with manpads can hide.. Not a good place for a hellicopter to fight..
    In that place the best to do is use the hellicopter as a spy /recon of terrorist locations..and avoid
    any combat ,just provide coordinates of territory concentration and then combat planes flying high bomb it.

    But again Syria cannot do that ,because Turkey created a no fly zone ~10km -15km withing its borders. Turkey F-16 planes armed with sidewinders several times have attacked Syria airforce when get close.. In short Syria was fighting alone vs all its bordern nations and 150,000 terrorist half of them foreigners. with lots of NATO special forcers leading them. including 3 star
    pentagon general who is leading the attacks of ISIS in Syria and IRAQ.

    With Russia now in game officially ,it can now target terrorist at Syrian Borders..and shut it down.. because Turkey will not dare to shutdown a Russian plane inside Syria territory.






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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:40 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:According to US military, at least 4 cruise missiles that was fired by Russian ships in the Caspian sea crashed in as they were flying over Iran.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:40 pm

    Israel to provide Russia with intelligence about Syrian opposition    Suspect



    Israel will provide Russia with intelligence information about opposition sites in Syria to facilitate Moscow’s military operations, Channel 2TV has reported. The Israeli network said that a senior delegation of Russian army officials will arrive in Israel on Tuesday to coordinate the military cooperation.

    The delegation will be led by First Deputy Chief of General Staff General Nikolai Bogdanovsky, who will meet his Israeli counterpart, Major-General Yair Golan as well as senior officials in Israeli military intelligence, the air force and the Mossad. Channel 2 noted that the visit follows the meeting between Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow three weeks ago.

    According to the media report, Israel will submit more requests to the Russians in exchange for “attractive” offers to facilitate the Russian army’s military operations in Syria. It also revealed that Netanyahu and Putin have agreed on several issue in principle, including a Russian pledge to stop the flow of weapons from Syria to Hezbollah, as well as to allow the Israeli air force to carry out operations freely in Syria, even in areas where the Russian army is stationed on the Syrian coast.

    Senior officers in the Russian and Israeli air forces will discuss the mechanisms for the coordination of Israeli overflights of Syrian airspace to avoid any conflict with Russian aircraft on operations against opposition groups. Israel is likely to request Russia to coordinate its moves in the Mediterranean in a manner that does not affect Israeli submarines gathering intelligence about Lebanon and Syria.

    Another report by Israel Radio on Sunday claimed that Tel Aviv will provide vital intelligence to the Russians in a bid to reduce Iranian influence in Syria.

    Meanwhile, Israel’s former Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, has called for direct cooperation with Iran and Hezbollah in order to protect Israeli interests. Maariv newspaper quoted Livni as saying on Friday, “Netanyahu must understand that the world looks at Iran and Hezbollah as legitimate partners in the confrontation against Daesh.” She warned that Tel Aviv’s geostrategic position will be hurt if the Israeli leadership does not realise what must be done do to influence the shifts in the balance of power in Syria.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:44 pm

    Dima wrote:^^ PD, Thanks for the info.
    Its awkward to see the helos getting filmed from another sector without its knowledge....what if some other time instead of camera, its RPGs and other projectiles? After all crippling attack often comes from the least expected quarters.
    Recce prior to ops doesn't look foolproof...wish I'm completely wrong on that.

    In one of those anti-tank videos (though cant verify its origin, from current of earlier ops) one of the tank is getting shot from the rear, not to mention the attack on a unit with anti-tank missiles. Of the 33 casualities earlier mentioned, that strike probably might have caused the single largest?

    You're welcome buddy, anytime.thumbsup

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  auslander on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Dima wrote:
    auslander wrote:Be prepared, gentlemen and lady, that it's only a matter of time before we lose some machines and boys. You take the King's schilling, sometimes you pay the King's price.
    Everyone here knows the risks of operation, but no one is begging for such incidents to happen so that they can say later on..."see I said so"...your post gives such a feel.

    It most certainly does not!!!

    He is saying what a lot of us here think, fear and pray it won't happen'.

    We all hope that everything will be OK but all it takes is one stupid goose or a duck in the jet engine and you have a crashed aircraft. This is dangerous work by definition.

    Having been through the week from Hell I thought I did well in pulling my punches in my reply to him. We have buried more than enough of our boys fighting up north in the last 18 months to be anything but realistic and I know we will lose some of our boys in the new operation. Knowing that and accepting that are two entirely different concepts.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:50 pm

    A Useful Prep-Sheet on Syria for Media Propagandists


    * Keep mentioning the barrel bombs. Do not mention how their use was pioneered by the Israeli Air Force in 1948, and how they were used by the U.S. Air Force in Vietnam in Operation Inferno in 1968. Keep repeating, “barrel bombs, barrel bombs” and stating with a straight face that the Syrian regime is using them “against its own people.” Against its own people. Against its own people. Against its own people.

    * Keep mentioning “200,000.” (The UN estimates that 220,000 have been killed in the conflict since 2011.) Declare like you really believe it that this is the number of civilians the Syrian government of Bashar Assad has killed during the war. (Do not be concerned about any need to back the figure up. No one is ever going to call you on it publicly.)

    Do NOT mention that around half of the war dead (estimates range from 84,000 to 133,000) are Syrian government forces waging war against an overwhelmingly Islamist opposition, and an additional 73,000 to 114,000 are anti-government combatants.

    Do not discuss these figures because they would call into question the claim that the Syrian government is targeting and killing tens of thousands of civilians willy-nilly. (If feeling any qualms of conscience, recall Karl Rove’s immortal dictum that “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”)

    * Keep mentioning the “Arab Spring” and how in 2011 Syrians peacefully mobilized to challenge the regime were violently repressed. But don’t dwell on the Arab Spring too much. Realize that the State Department was actually shocked by it, particularly by its repercussions in Egypt, where democratization brought the Muslim Brotherhood to power before the U.S.-backed military drowned its opponents in blood.

    And recall but do NOT mention how in Bahrain, peaceful demonstrations by the majority Shiites against the repressive Sunni monarchy were crushed by a Saudi-led invasion force tacitly supported by the U.S. And NEVER mention that the bulk of the peaceful protesters in the Syrian Arab Spring want nothing to do with the U.S.-supported armed opposition but are instead receptive to calls from Damascus, Moscow and Tehran for dialogue towards a power-sharing arrangement.

    Do NOT explain that the pro-democracy student activists and their allies fear most is the radical Islamists who have burgeoned in large part due to foreign intervention since 2011.

    * Keep mentioning the “Free Syrian Army” and the “moderate opposition” to give the impression that they actually exist in the real world.

    Do NOT point out that the FSA organization is actually a joke; that its leaders live in Turkey; that its remaining units are headed by CIA officers; that U.S. efforts to train over 5000 FSA troops have been an utter failure; that the tiny group of 54 recently sent to the front were immediately captured by the al-Nusra Front and another 70 dispatched from Turkey immediately turned over their arms to that al-Qaeda-linked group; that their chief of staff has resigned protesting U.S. incompetence; that Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, the top American commander in the Middle East, told Congress last month that only “four or five” Syrians had been trained by the U.S. to fight ISIL; and that the U.S.-trained forces have been accused of multiple human rights abuses.

    Do NOT mention these things. They are so totally embarrassing that the State Department officials responsible just want to curl up into a ball and roll into a corner. Your mission is to put a bright face on this and continue to pretend there’s something in Syria, supported by the U.S., that falls between the terrorists and the Assad regime.

    * Keep expressing consternation if not outrage that Russia is “interfering” in Syria. Scrunch up your face and act like you think it’s puzzling.

    Do NOT mention that Syria is much closer to Russia than to the U.S. and that Russia faces a much greater threat of Islamist terror than the U.S. (in places like Chechnya and Dagestan that your viewers can’t locate on a map).

    Downplay the fact that Russia has had a military relationship with Syria since the 1950s no more nor less legitimate that the U.S. military relationship with Saudi Arabia. (And avoid any objective comparisons of the human rights records of Saudi Arabia and Syria since the former’s is manifestly so much worse than the latter’s!)

    Do NOT imply any moral equivalence between Russia’s desire to prevent U.S.-backed regime change in Syria and the U.S.’s desire to inflict another Iraq or Libya-type regime change on that tragically war-torn country.

    * Keep treating the Assad regime as an obvious pariah, whose leader has “lost legitimacy.” Say that with an air of authority, like you really believe that U.S. presidents—like Chinese emperors of the past or medieval popes— enjoy so much “legitimacy” that they can confer this on, or remove it from, anybody else.

    Study CNN anchor Chris Cuomo’s facial expressions and body language when he announces—so matter-of-factly, as a self-evident fact, as a done deal—that (come on, everybody!) “Assad hast lost legitimacy.”

    (Chris is your model. He’s the State Department’s pleasantly vapid headed scion-of-privilege poster boy, whose occasional dark flashes of indignation—especially those directed towards anyone questioning the official talking points on Russia—embody the attitude Foggy Bottom seeks to encourage in the corporate press.)

    Do NOT remind viewers that the Syrian government is internationally recognized, holds a UN seat, retains cordial relations with most nations and is engaged in a life-and-death struggle against people who enslave, crucify, behead, bury alive and burn alive people and want to replace Syria’s modern secular government with a medieval religious one intolerant of any diversity.

    * Keep insisting that the Assad regime somehow is responsible for, and even in league with, the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front and ISIL. Since this makes no logical sense, just have faith in the ignorance of the viewership and its disinclination to distinguish one Arab from another and to assume that they’re all linked in ways that aren’t worth even trying to sort out. Imply that by staying in power (and not complying with Obama’s demand that he step down) Assad has actually invited the presence of radical Islamists to his country, or provoked their emergence.

    Do NOT mention that al-Qaeda offshoots have proliferated globally since the U.S. invaded and wrecked Iraq in 2003, in a war based entirely on lies, and that there was no al-Nusra Front or ISIL until the U.S. set out to effect regime change throughout the Middle East. Do NOT let on that State Department PR strategy is precisely to obfuscate the real causal relationship, and to impute to the beleaguered Assad phenomena actually generated by U.S. aggression in the region.

    * Keep treating Russian President Vladimir Putin as America’s Enemy Number One, an ally of a Syrian government that U.S. has said must go, deploying force in Syria to bolster Assad rather than (as Moscow claims) to target ISIL.

    Do NOT lend any credence to the Russian assertion that the Syrian Army is the force best placed to defeat ISIL. Do NOT point out the incongruity of the U.S. invading and attacking countries from Pakistan to Libya since 2001 while expressing alarm that Moscow is (after much hesitation) taking action against Islamist terrorists at Damascus’s invitation.

    * Do not harp on the past, revisit history, or attempt to place the contemporary situation in Syria in perspective. Do NOT complicate the storyline by mentioning Damascus’s cooperation in the “War on Terror” and the U.S. use of Syrian torture chambers in its “special renditions” program after 2001. Do NOT mention Syria’s large Christian minority or its historical support for Assad’s Baath party, which was co-founded by a Syrian Christian.

    Please keep everything simple, following the examples set by MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Scarborough and CNN’s Cuomo, and inculcate in the mind of the viewer that Assad is the main problem and most horrible actor in the Syrian situation. Tell them that Putin, while striving to revive the tsarist empire, is backing Assad as a loyal ally and using his military to prolong his rule that Washington condemns rather than (as he states) taking action against ISIL.

    If you do all this, you will demonstrate your loyalty to the State Department, the bipartisan foreign policy consensus, the military-industrial complex, the One Percent, your advertisers, your producers and editors, and the unsung heroes behind the scenes who arrange your teleprompter scripts.

    You too could be an Andrea Mitchell, or Christiane Amanpour, posturing as an “expert” while trotting out our talking points. And even after they’re exposed as bullshit, you won’t have to say you’re sorry. People will soon forget anyway.

    Those unconscionable barrel bombs! 200,000 civilians killed by the illegitimate regime! U.S. support for the moderate opposition! Russia up to no good, supporting Assad and not really targeting ISI!. Russian moves “worrisome” (whereas U.S. moves are not.)

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:51 pm

    Regular wrote:Damn those Mi-24 playing russian roullete. Got the chills watching them fly above these monkeys shooting at them hmgs. I hope they are not Russian helicopters, I would keep them for perimeter defence and would use Mi-28N for standoff strikes. Far better helicopter than Mi-24, leaner and meaner. Not to mention better targetting systems and better armor.

    Neutrality wrote:My question is why don't they engage them from a safe distance by using long range guidance rockets or the HMG like we've seen the Apache pilots do plenty of times in Iraq. Again, I'm not an expert on this but going in for low strafe runs completely exposes you to heavy calibre weapons on the ground. If they continue like this some idiot on the ground will get lucky with his RPG eventually or a .50cal gun.

    Mi-24 was designed for a specific CAS role and in actual effeciency of striking ground targets are above that of Apache which tests with Mi-25 and AH-64A have shown. Anyway, by the books for striking teams, they have to be paired at least 4 hinds, two pairs which are getting close to their targets in NoE flight, gaining altitude for quick target acquisition and unleash NURS and 23/30/12.7mm fire. Both striking teams unleash the highest amount of firepower while reducing the enemies reaction capabilities to near zero, getting mawed down from two sides will strike any enemy hard and cause disorientation among remaining forces. The first video with the two hinds going in low was almost like by the books, they did not even need to gain much altitude due the flat region. The NoE approach especially in such harsh and hot regions is important, while flying near the ground they render almost any MANPADS ineffective of acquiring a lockon on the helicopter, additional flaring makes it even harder. The NoE flight also reduces the sources of ground fire they can recieve and the quick speed they have, with visual moving ground compared with aircraft, makes it harder to adjust or evaluade the distance and speed of it, making it harder to hit over short periods the helicopter is exposed and in visual range of ground fire.

    This ain't the 1980's, aircraft are significantly better protected now. DIRCM's for IR guidance, and ECM suites for aircraft that cover area's that are hundreds of km's in diameter, Russia has already demonstrated ECM systems for helicopters that force warheads to explode mid-air attacking false targets. Even for the ground forces, they have ECM systems that can defeat radio-commanded IED's/Mines while simultaneously jamming the relevant frequencies they operate at from hundreds of meters away.

    Non of the employed CAS aircrafts have any kind of sensors for that job, not even basic MAWS, meaning DIRCM will not be installed without MAWS.

    sepheronx wrote:If these Mi-24P are not upgraded models then they are also open to being taken down a lot easier too. So Russia should be using Ka-52 or Mi-28 that have all those gadgets.

    I think they are PM variant. Still they are inferior to Mi-35M. Why Russia doesn't bring it's cutting edge helicopters here, I don't know.

    Those Mi-24P are not upgraded and are production level of 1982-1988, with no sensor suite at all, meaning they will not have a chance in presence of fighter jets, MANPADS or laser guided SAM's. They only have R-6201r IFF sensors and Raduga-Sh LLTV, meaning only very basic and limited night fighting capabilities (not all weather).

    Regular wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    My question is why don't they engage them from a safe distance by using long range guidance rockets or the HMG like we've seen the Apache pilots do plenty of times in Iraq. Again, I'm not an expert on this but going in for low strafe runs completely exposes you to heavy calibre weapons on the ground. If they continue like this some idiot on the ground will get lucky with his RPG eventually or a .50cal gun.

    Missiles are expencive you know Very Happy Also main tool of Mi24 are unguided rockets S5 57mm, they require quite...intime relation with a target to be effective Very Happy
    Are You kidding me? Pilots life is more expensive than helicopter itself. And yes, rockets are main weapons, but 30mm packs a punch, from above it can shred even a tank. Or at least strip it off and put it out of action.

    Exactly, and any loss Russian side will draw a bad pictures of russian equipement specially when it will be relayed by western media

    For that reason, no Ka-52/Mi-28N should be send, but Mi-24PM2 and Mi-24VM2 (Mi-35M), not top notch technology, but will do their job and if some are destroyed, they will not see big deal about it as if Ka-52/Mi-28N would be destroyed. There are always means to do it and looking at the limited amount of CAS aircrafts present, justifying commanding Ka-52 or Mi-28N is not really given, to expensive, no virtual use of their recon capabilities while planty UAV's are present,tested and deployed by Russia,China and even Iran tests their former american technology, the americans have given so willingly to the Iranians ie RQ-170.

    PapaDragon wrote:Guys, get real for a minute here!!!

    I do hope none of you really thinks that those are Russian helos?

    Only one video would let me believe that those are russian helos, looking at tactics, but not convinced they are, is the video of NoE CAS approach other than that only thing we see is hinds getting armed at AFB.


    Personally i aggree, that you shouldn't cheer so much, looking at the old models of hinds they use, they will have sooner or later losses and i do not see him doing that just so he can tell "told you so".

    The key right now is to establish a routined, unhindered, protected and coordinated air strikes with ground coordination, that is what russia is and should focus on, after that has been established they can bring all they toys to...well... to open vacancy positions for US american sponsored missionary of democracy.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:53 pm

    Regarding the helicopters.

    Has anyone got any videos or photos of russian helicopters taking off or landing from the airbase yet? Or being loaded up with weapons etc etc? Im yet to see any so until we do, im pretty confident that the ones used are syrian.

    IF it was the russians, then they must pretty confident that there is no manpads lying around, because if theres one thing they can learn from the ukraine war its that they are very effective in the right hands.  For those two reasons i call bs on 'russian helicopters' so far.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:54 pm

    The report is consistent with Iranian media accounts of an explosion in northwestern Iran. The Islamic Republic Press Agency, an official Iranian government press outlet, reported on Thursday that the governor of Takab said an "unidentified flying object" near the town crashed and then exploded. The article contained a photo of a drone, however, and did not provide details about the origins of the crash and explosion.



    Governor of Takab, a city in W Azerbaijan prvnc has said that an "unidentified flying object" crash,led to explosion
    https://twitter.com/hamidraze/status/652174706599198720

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:01 pm

    The original report in Farsi.

    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/

    Though no indication on how many objects crashed. How did that "unnamed Pentagon official" claim "at least 4" ?

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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:01 pm

    max steel wrote:Israel to provide Russia with intelligence about Syrian opposition    Suspect



    Israel will provide Russia with intelligence information about opposition sites in Syria to facilitate Moscow’s military operations, Channel 2TV has reported. The Israeli network said that a senior delegation of Russian army officials will arrive in Israel on Tuesday to coordinate the military cooperation.

    The delegation will be led by First Deputy Chief of General Staff General Nikolai Bogdanovsky, who will meet his Israeli counterpart, Major-General Yair Golan as well as senior officials in Israeli military intelligence, the air force and the Mossad. Channel 2 noted that the visit follows the meeting between Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow three weeks ago.

    According to the media report, Israel will submit more requests to the Russians in exchange for “attractive” offers to facilitate the Russian army’s military operations in Syria. It also revealed that Netanyahu and Putin have agreed on several issue in principle, including a Russian pledge to stop the flow of weapons from Syria to Hezbollah, as well as to allow the Israeli air force to carry out operations freely in Syria, even in areas where the Russian army is stationed on the Syrian coast.

    Senior officers in the Russian and Israeli air forces will discuss the mechanisms for the coordination of Israeli overflights of Syrian airspace to avoid any conflict with Russian aircraft on operations against opposition groups. Israel is likely to request Russia to coordinate its moves in the Mediterranean in a manner that does not affect Israeli submarines gathering intelligence about Lebanon and Syria.

    Another report by Israel Radio on Sunday claimed that Tel Aviv will provide vital intelligence to the Russians in a bid to reduce Iranian influence in Syria.

    Meanwhile, Israel’s former Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, has called for direct cooperation with Iran and Hezbollah in order to protect Israeli interests. Maariv newspaper quoted Livni as saying on Friday, “Netanyahu must understand that the world looks at Iran and Hezbollah as legitimate partners in the confrontation against Daesh.” She warned that Tel Aviv’s geostrategic position will be hurt if the Israeli leadership does not realise what must be done do to influence the shifts in the balance of power in Syria.
    According to a release out of Moscow at the start of the week this meeting was to take place today.

    I am certain that the timing of the missile attack had absolutely nothing to do with this meeting and that the fact that Israel was also within range from the Caspian would not have been mentioned.

    The new Russian motto seems to be "Facta sunt potentiora verbis" or "action speaks louder than words"

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    Post  Boshoed on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:03 pm

    First post here, (I will create an introduction thread a wee bit later)
    The Russian MOD has released a statement concerning the rumour that their cruise missiles crashed in northern Iran, (Facebook translate is awful, but it's better than nothing.)

    "The Ministry of defense of Russia's comments on the CNN:
    " in contrast to the CNN we don't talk with reference to anonymous sources, and show our missile launches and affected their goal almost in real time.

    I can't say all, but any professional in this area knows that in such operations, always recorded an image of the objectives of the before and after the impact.
    In addition, over Syria round-the-Clock works our faction of unmanned aerial vehicles.

    Therefore, no matter how was unpleasant and "Неожиданен" for our colleagues in the Pentagon and Langley yesterday's blow precision weapons on the infrastructure of ISIS in Syria,-it's all running from ships missiles found their purpose.

    It's a fact. Otherwise we would have had to recognize that, located at a distance from each other objects of the terrorist group ISIS in Syria yesterday blew themselves up.

    And almost simultaneously."

    Early network CNN circulated a communication with reference to anonymous sources in the United States Army and intelligence about the alleged fall over the territory of Iran "at least four missiles", Launched on the objects of ISIS in Syria on 7 October, with the Russian military ships in the Caspian Sea."

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:03 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:The report is consistent with Iranian media accounts of an explosion in northwestern Iran. The Islamic Republic Press Agency, an official Iranian government press outlet, reported on Thursday that the governor of Takab said an "unidentified flying object" near the town crashed and then exploded. The article contained a photo of a drone, however, and did not provide details about the origins of the crash and explosion.



    Governor of Takab, a city in W Azerbaijan prvnc has said that an "unidentified flying object" crash,led to explosion
    https://twitter.com/hamidraze/status/652174706599198720

    If it`s genuine from Iran , i can believe. Such things happen.

    I don`t trust American media at all , so we have one case , Americans are adding juice about "several" without any proof. They hit suburb of Bulgarian capitol city with Tomahawk in 1999 , they "smart" bombed Chinese embassy in Belgrade , recent Kunduz hospital bombing , they have no credibility at all.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:04 pm


    About Pentagon threatening Russia with casualties.. soon.. that should be taken
    as a direct threat to Russia.. that they will do it.. notice how they don't say the same
    about their coalition of dictators that also fly over Syria.. so clearly they will be helping
    the terrorist to shot down Russian planes..or use their own special forces for that..
    this is what they really mean..


    Russia needs to be careful about NATO firing cross border from Turkey..
    They will be capable of using Rail gun to target Russian planes.. or Lazer Guns..
    but also they could be deployed inside Syria too.. by US special forces..

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:08 pm

    Boshoed wrote:First post here, (I will create an introduction thread a wee bit later)
    The Russian MOD has released a statement concerning the rumour that their cruise missiles crashed in northern Iran, (Facebook translate is awful, but it's better than nothing.)

    "The Ministry of defense of Russia's comments on the CNN:
    in contrast to the CNN we don't talk with reference to anonymous sources, and show our missile launches and affected their goal almost in real time."

    Welcome to the forum.

    Good response from Russian MoD , so Americans are indeed trying to cloud something by claiming Russian missile crashed , perhaps they indeed lost an another UAV over Iran.

    It would make sense , they were caught off guard and now scramble for intelligence.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Hachimoto on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:11 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:Regarding the helicopters.

    Has anyone got any videos or photos of russian helicopters taking off or landing from the airbase yet? Or being loaded up with weapons etc etc? Im yet to see any so until we do, im pretty confident that the ones used are syrian.

    IF it was the russians, then they must pretty confident that there is no manpads lying around, because if theres one thing they can learn from the ukraine war its that they are very effective in the right hands.  For those two reasons i call bs on 'russian helicopters' so far.

    just posted one in this topics some pages ago

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  iraqidabab on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:12 pm

    Saudi wanting to step up supplies to terrorists Russia might just send an aircraft with ATGW to Houthis in Sana'a. This could easily become a wider dangerous war in the region and beyond.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    max steel wrote:Israel to provide Russia with intelligence about Syrian opposition    Suspect



    Israel will provide Russia with intelligence information about opposition sites in Syria to facilitate Moscow’s military operations, Channel 2TV has reported. The Israeli network said that a senior delegation of Russian army officials will arrive in Israel on Tuesday to coordinate the military cooperation.

    The delegation will be led by First Deputy Chief of General Staff General Nikolai Bogdanovsky, who will meet his Israeli counterpart, Major-General Yair Golan as well as senior officials in Israeli military intelligence, the air force and the Mossad. Channel 2 noted that the visit follows the meeting between Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow three weeks ago.

    According to the media report, Israel will submit more requests to the Russians in exchange for “attractive” offers to facilitate the Russian army’s military operations in Syria. It also revealed that Netanyahu and Putin have agreed on several issue in principle, including a Russian pledge to stop the flow of weapons from Syria to Hezbollah, as well as to allow the Israeli air force to carry out operations freely in Syria, even in areas where the Russian army is stationed on the Syrian coast.

    Senior officers in the Russian and Israeli air forces will discuss the mechanisms for the coordination of Israeli overflights of Syrian airspace to avoid any conflict with Russian aircraft on operations against opposition groups. Israel is likely to request Russia to coordinate its moves in the Mediterranean in a manner that does not affect Israeli submarines gathering intelligence about Lebanon and Syria.

    Another report by Israel Radio on Sunday claimed that Tel Aviv will provide vital intelligence to the Russians in a bid to reduce Iranian influence in Syria.

    Meanwhile, Israel’s former Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, has called for direct cooperation with Iran and Hezbollah in order to protect Israeli interests. Maariv newspaper quoted Livni as saying on Friday, “Netanyahu must understand that the world looks at Iran and Hezbollah as legitimate partners in the confrontation against Daesh.” She warned that Tel Aviv’s geostrategic position will be hurt if the Israeli leadership does not realise what must be done do to influence the shifts in the balance of power in Syria.
    According to a release out of Moscow at the start of the week this meeting was to take place today.

    I am certain that the timing of the missile attack had absolutely nothing to do with this meeting and that the fact that Israel was also within range from the Caspian would not have been mentioned.

    The new Russian motto seems to be "Facta sunt potentiora verbis" or "action speaks louder than words"

    Err, what?

    Israel has nothing to fear from russia, they are not enemies and you will never find them in a situation where israel needs to fear that they are in range of russian missiles. Plus, israel is made of stern stuff, if russia was swinging its long shiny missile stick around to try and scare them, im pretty sure the israelis would just tell them to piss off. I dont get why you think this had anything to do with it.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:16 pm

    It's clear that something very bad has happened  .. but i don't know what it is?




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:17 pm



    IRAN call the reports of CNN about Russian cruise missiles crashing.. .. propaganda



    Iranian defense ministry believes reports on "fallen Russian cruise missiles" are part of the intensified western propaganda war, according to a source.

    Tehran has denied US reports that four of Russia's cruise missiles targeting ISIL actually fell to the ground in Iran, with the country's defense ministry calling the accusations "psychological war."



    http://sputniknews.com/world/20151008/1028231635/iran-russia-isil-missile.html




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:19 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:Saudi wanting to step up supplies to terrorists Russia might just send an aircraft with ATGW to Houthis in Sana'a. This could easily become a wider dangerous war in the region and beyond.

    I remember anecdote when some Yugoslav journalist told last US ambassador that "US will have war in Yugoslavia" , US ambassador told him "No , YOU will have war in Yugoslavia , it will not affect us".

    I guess similar story can be said to Saudi Arabia , they have much more and will lose much more than Russia , Iran or even Turkey. There is no way you can destabilize most your neighbours and think you will be untouched.

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