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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ult on Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:49 pm

    Solncepek wrote:
    Very Happy Very Happy

    "The Syrian Opposition should ask Petro Poroshenko to send the Ukrainian army to help, as they have already crushed the Russian army."

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:50 pm

    Seems like frequently updated interactive map of RuAf strikes in Syria.

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z4PF1SFiMPjQ.kFa_qMMdFl48


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:12 pm

    Solncepek wrote:
    Very Happy Very Happy

    Dude, translate this stuff, we can't put JPEGs trough Google Translate... No

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:19 pm

    Anyone knows if Russia have very powerful non nunclear, anti bunker weapons..
    that could target deep underground fortifications ?  Which are Russia best and most
    powerful anti bunker weapons?

    USA for example have GBU-57



    By the way.,,

    The "Syrian center for demyning rehabilitation" isn't is funny how could anyone be "demining"
    In the middle of a war zone that is not over? BULLSHIT.. that is a western NGO organization..
    notice how the name is also in english.. for fooling people into believing in their propaganda..
    This is no different that the so called "Syrian Observatory of Human rights" one man organization
    in London. That its information he calls comes from "Activist" as he calls them.. in really is a
    propaganda machine of NATO narrative against Syria. Doctors without borders.. and mother of soldiers bullshit.. is another western NGO.. their goal is become some kind of interference on any warzone for an effective airstrike on terrorist controled zones..

    As you see. the western Powers no only support terrorist..bandits and criminals, they also create fake organizations that its only goal is to "proof" the nations opposing American Imperialism are bad guys and doing something illegal. And to provoke unrest withing civilian population.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:25 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:
    Very Happy Very Happy

    Dude, translate this stuff, we can't put JPEGs trough Google Translate... No
    I think Ult did two posts ago.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:33 pm

    KAB-500Kr-Pr-E
    KAB-500L-Pr-E
    KAB-1500Kr-Pr-E
    KAB-1500L-Pr-E
    KAB-1500LG-Pr-E

    Russian bunker buster bombs that have subclaibre warheads, basically two designs just different guidance.



    KAB500Kr



    KAB500L



    KAB1500L

    From outside they generally all look the same, difference is in warhead.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:34 pm

    Papa it's just trolling about how Petro Porkoshenko should offer help to Syrian oppositin,since they have defeated the RUssian Armed forces;

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:41 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    ult wrote:Some people are saying that it's KAB-500S.




    I belive its FAB 500SE satelite and inertial guided.

    Yep your right, and as I predicted GLONASS guided weapons will be joining the fray. Russia managed to develop satellite guidance kits/packages cheaply (something even the U.S. couldn't do) which also have the added bonus of being capable of retrofitting older dumb bombs.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  mack8 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:52 pm

    Best video so far:


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:55 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Anyone knows if Russia have very powerful non nunclear, anti bunker weapons..
    that could target deep underground fortifications ?  Which are Russia best and most
    powerful anti bunker weapons?

    USA for example have GBU-57



    By the way.,,

    The "Syrian center for demyning rehabilitation" isn't is funny how could anyone be "demining"
    In the middle of a war zone that is not over?  BULLSHIT.. that is a western NGO organization..
    notice how the name is also in english.. for fooling people into believing in their propaganda..
    This is no different that the so called "Syrian Observatory of Human rights" one man organization
    in London.  That its information he calls comes from "Activist" as he calls them.. in really is a
    propaganda machine of NATO narrative against Syria.  Doctors without borders.. and mother of soldiers bullshit.. is another western NGO.. their goal is become some kind of interference on any warzone for an effective airstrike on terrorist controled zones..

    As you see. the western Powers no only support terrorist..bandits and criminals, they also create fake organizations that its only goal is to "proof" the nations opposing American Imperialism are bad guys and doing something illegal.  And to provoke unrest withing civilian population.

    Russia has never focused on Bunker busters in that high yield of conventional explosives because it makes rather little sense since russia did not make concepts of weapons for every bunker use for high yield,penetration and destruction purpose for everyday enemy they see. They designed their bunker busters with nuclear warheads for the specific purpose to take out command centrals in bunkers or bunker like mountain complexes like chayeen Mountain (Stargate) to make sure it is desttroyed. Other than that, you need to know exact location and the layout of a bunker complex, not to waste your conventional high yield bunker busters for cooridors or empty space in between, which will probably over time kill all or many in those complexes but do not necessairly effect their operational capacity for hours, days, weeks or months, whatever bunker complex it might be.

    Russians did invent them specifically in case of necessity in fight with US(NATO) and not for anyone else unlike US which has used ridicilous amount of bunker busters of unbelievable high TNT yield against those Taliban caves after they have propagated bullshit stories of Taliban having bunker complexes as big as entire cities in the mountains, to justify bombing campaign with B-52 bombers and unbelievable stupid bombs above FAB-9000 weight and power.

    For conventional bunkers, russia uses KAB-1500 with penetration warhead and secondary warhead for after penetration effects.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:00 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    ult wrote:Some people are saying that it's KAB-500S.

    I belive its FAB 500SE satelite and inertial guided.

    Yep your right, and as I predicted GLONASS guided weapons will be joining the fray. Russia managed to develop satellite guidance kits/packages cheaply (something even the U.S. couldn't do) which also have the added bonus of being capable of retrofitting older dumb bombs.


    "The revolutionary impact of GPS across the full spectrum of guided munitions has also been reflected in Russian and Chinese guided weapons. The Russians recently introduced the KTRV-GNPP KAB-500S/S-E, which is a satnav inertial guided 500 kg bomb, with a Kompas PSN-2001 (Pribor Sputnikovoy Navigatsii) satellite receiver, which is claimed to use 24 channels and be capable of using secure Glonass and GPS C/A signals" - Source: http://www.ausairpower.net/SP/DT-GPS-Weps-Mar-2010.pdf

    "Russia's use of dual-band capability depends on whether it can get the  chipsets. Early in 2008, a civilian company was unable to get the dual-band GPS/GLONASS receiver chipsets from its supplier, suggesting that there may have been a wider shortage or other bottleneck in chipset production. It is unclear whether the military also experienced this difficulty, or if perhaps the military orders were monopolizing
    production. Two variables are unknown: the rate at which the Russian military can receive the chipset it needs (the PSN-2001, made by a company called Kompas) and the rate at which those chipsets can be
    integrated into munitions - both significant questions for a struggling defense industry. " - Source: https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/16/1668758_russia-upgrading-its-precision-guided-munitions-.html

    I am not sure how cheap they can really produce today these PSN-2001 modules or how many/how fast, fact is that we very rarely see Russian jets carrying any type of guided warload except on military expos and static displays on airshows. Since 2008. they have been ordering certain major size Air to Ground missiles (probably to be used with strategic aviation) with different types of guidance but orders never went over 100-120 per year, US on other hand is spending millions and millions on Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits.

    "Aug. 20, 2013 - Boeing [NYSE: BA] today marked its recent production of the 250,000th Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) guidance kit, a major milestone for a program that, since 1998, has reliably and affordably converted unguided munitions into near-precision weapons. The company facility in St. Charles produces more than 40 JDAM kits every day, on time and on budget." - Source: http://www.deagel.com/news/JDAM-Weapon-Program-Reaches-250000-Kit-Milestone_n000011820.aspx[/quote]

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Heartbeer on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:16 pm

    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

    Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:18 pm

    Heartbeer wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

    Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

    Dropable fuel tanks.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Heartbeer on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:20 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Dropable fuel tanks.

    Too bad Very Happy

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:21 pm

    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    Before someone asks about those "big bombs" behind the jet in the video let me say:

    Well, one thing is for sure, those are some big auxiliary drop tanks Very Happy



    Looks like ПТБ-3000 to me, i guess thats the biggest one, at least that i know of, if there are bigger id like some article or photo, ty in advance.



    PTB-3000 and few very happy Russian conscripts Smile

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:21 pm

    Heartbeer wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

    Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

    Anddd great, someone was faster than my post Smile. I simply knew someone would ask about it Very Happy

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  medo on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:28 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    New strike from last night.



    "Old" one from yesterday.

    Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

    Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:51 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Heartbeer wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

    Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

    Anddd great, someone was faster than my post Smile. I simply knew someone would ask about it Very Happy

    There are bigger ones; from memory, MiG-25 uses one with capacity of about 5000 l or so.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:52 pm

    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because..(watch second 41.0+ in the video)
    "remember.. Russian jets have been basically.. err.. mm.. smiles.. mmm.. because "basically" you need to see how close they fly so close to our waters and borders..   Shocked
    pirat  lol1 Laughing

    What its really crystal clear is that the american government IS on a real political nightmare
    that they don't know how to deal with it.. close to international scandal..and its politicians are having a hard time justifying their illegal actions in middle east.. and so they don't know what to say or how to justify anymore their support to jihadist that joins at the first opportunity to Alqaeda or ISIS in Syria. She tried to sound confident.. and in the end what she proved was
    she was very confused..and not sure at all how to defend their cause.. Smile

    You need to see how US media made jokes about so called "Moderates" US want to defend
    to overthrow the Syrian Government.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:55 pm

    medo wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    New strike from last night.



    "Old" one from yesterday.

    Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

    Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

    I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

    So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Zivo on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:02 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
    because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..   lol1

    Wow, what a dumb bitch.

    Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:17 pm

    Few sources on Twitter claim this is video of air raid on Dayr al Asafir in suburbs of Damascus from few hours ago:



    It seems original claim came from Qasioun news which are not really...very...pro Syrian Smile.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:24 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
    because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..   lol1

    Wow, what a dumb bitch.

    Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

    Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:25 pm

    Militarov wrote:Few sources on Twitter claim this is video of air raid on Dayr al Asafir in suburbs of Damascus from few hours ago:



    It seems original claim came from Qasioun news which are not really...very...pro Syrian Smile.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:29 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
    because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..   lol1

    Wow, what a dumb bitch.

    Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

    Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.

    I see what you did there KoTeMoRe. Laughing

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