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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Dima on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:33 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Nice video filmed by the cannibals.. alah wakbarrrrr..
    Shows apparently Russia airforce bombing Hama..

    https://www.facebook.com/syrianmilitary/videos/vb.349059891842066/924668147614568/?type=2&theater


    I really think the idea of weapons targeting by sound is not really crazy..
    U just drop a bomb  and wait the terrorist scream. like monkeys. and then aim
    later at their direction. the real package of bombs..

    Seriously i have a huge problem with this conditioned islamophobia and the people who are conditioned with it or show signs of it, automatically stop using their brains.

    "Allahu akbar" is conditioned into society just like we have "Oh My God", in german "Ohh Mein Gott" in Russian "Bozhe Moy". That is embbeded into the language and responsive vocal behavior. I am a Anti-theist and still i like most others use this phrase when not conscious about it, like in a shock reaction. If we would not measure by double standards than we should nuke entire europe entire christian world for the same religious terrorist screaming nutheadery.
    Good point. thumbsup

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Dima on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:43 pm

    Solncepek wrote:Imho the most important things for ground forces right now are the cleansing of Zabadani & eastern Damascus !
    The rear must be safe before moving forward to Hama, Homs and Idlib.
    +1
    But they aren't taking their forces out of the rear to fight in other sectors. The frontlines in Hama, Idlib etc need to be serviced in parallel and the seige on Kuweires Military Airbase need to be ended at the earliest, which can can only happen with Russian air strikes.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:55 pm

    So far the plan being enacted in Syria is sheer genius on the strategic front, as well as in the PR department. Don't expect them not to anticipate any Western moves from this point forward. Russia seems to be atleast two steps ahead in the Great Game at the moment.

    The irony is that the wests actions in Libya pretty much made Russian intervention in Syria mandatory to prevent western air power giving anti assad forces to much capability.

    According to RT MCCain is claiming the Russians have taken out anti assad forces including western mercs and US trained radicals.

    Personally I would be hitting them first.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Erk on Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    According to RT MCCain is claiming the Russians have taken out anti assad forces including western mercs and US trained radicals.

    Personally I would be hitting them first.

    For sure, the FSA are certainly not the good guys like McCain is trying to con people into believing, they are legitimate terrorist targets who are part of the illegal US plan for regime change in Syria. A lot of the FSA joined ISIS, just so you know where their heads are at, they have a lot of Syrian blood on their hands.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    So far the plan being enacted in Syria is sheer genius on the strategic front, as well as in the PR department. Don't expect them not to anticipate any Western moves from this point forward. Russia seems to be atleast two steps ahead in the Great Game at the moment.

    The irony is that the wests actions in Libya pretty much made Russian intervention in Syria mandatory to prevent western air power giving anti assad forces to much capability.

    According to RT MCCain is claiming the Russians have taken out anti assad forces including western mercs and US trained radicals.

    Personally I would be hitting them first.
    If the Russian controlled actions in Ukraine in Jan/Feb are anything to go by there seems to be a conscious effort to allow mercs etc a window of opportunity to escape. Like now for example with very few if any strikes in the East.

    It would have been very easy to hit a couple of obvious ISIS sites in the East at the start, good PR as well, but they didn't. One suspects that many 'outsiders' have read the runes and are on their way out or demanding a big payrise to stay.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Monarchist on Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:46 pm

    So do people really think that there will be an ground offensive by combined forces of SAA, IRGC, Hezbollah, Iraqi shias with russian air support..?
    If so, which objective?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:50 pm

    Via axis of advance Idlib-->Aleppo-->Raqqa-->Deir Ezzor.

    But a joint Syrian-IRGC advance is unlikely.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  mack8 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:00 pm

    Some pictures of the VKS aircraft:
    http://www.visualrian.ru/ru/site/feature/502185/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Solncepek on Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:35 pm

    Attention: the source is an american brainwashed redneck :

    Hawaii Air Guard F-22s Deploy To The Middle East As Tensions With Russia Build



    A gaggle of F-22A Raptors belonging to the 199th Fighter Squadron, which is part of the 154th Wing of the Hawaiian Air National Guard, deployed to the Middle East yesterday. This comes as tensions are hot between the U.S. and Russia over Syria.
    Deployments of F-22s to the Middle East are nothing new. The stealth fighters, at least about a half dozen of them, have had a seemingly constant presence there for the last half decade or so. Based out of Al Dhafra Air Base in the UAE, forward deployed Raptors were called into action during the opening airstrikes against ISIS and Al-Nusra targets in Syria last year. They are said to have had sporadic presence over the embattled country ever since.

    It is not clear if the 199th Fighter Squadron’s deployment has been long planned as a replacement for F-22s already in the region, or if it will be to bolster the force. It would make great sense that additional Raptors would have been ordered to the theater considering Russia’s rapid buildup of air power in Syria over the last month.

    This is especially valid considering that Russia is now actively using that air power over Syria and started doing so without any coordination with the U.S.-led anti-ISIS coalition already operating over the country.
    Apparently Russia’s warning as to their imminent use of air power in Syria came via a Russian General who walked into the U.S. Embassy in Iraq and told officials that the U.S. has one hour to clear the skies above Syria before Russian air operations begin.

    Bolstering the F-22 force in light of the Russia’s dramatic geopolitical choices over the last few weeks makes total sense. The aircraft can be present in Syrian airspace while not appearing on enemy radar, soaking up electromagnetic intelligence from Russian aircraft while also working as a sentry of sorts for allied fighter, attack and unmanned aircraft operating in the largely ISIS held eastern part of the country. If need be, the F-22 can also confront Russia fighter aircraft should they make an aggressive move towards coalition aircraft.

    As of now, Russia’s fighter aircraft contingent in Syria is tiny. Just four Su-30SM Flankers are known to be deployed to Russia’s master air base south of the Syrian port city of Latakia. Two dozen attack aircraft (Su-25s and Su-24s) are present there as well along with what seems to be close to a two dozen attack and transport helicopters (Mi-8/17s and Mi-35s).
    There are wide reports that Russia’s advanced Su-34 Fullback fighter-bombers are also deployed to the region as well, but so far these have not been substantiated with photographic evidence.

    As we mentioned in previous pieces, the Su-30s that are there as a minimum force that will most likely sit on quick-reaction alert and fly sporadic air cover missions for Russian attack aircraft. With this in mind, and considering that Russia has not deployed its long-range surface-to-air missile systems to Syria yet, the threat to allied aircraft, most of which can easily defend themselves, is not substantial.

    This could change in the future if more Russian counter-air capable assets arrive in Syria. As such, just the knowledge that F-22s are keeping a persistent watch over coalition air operations may make the Russians pause before proclaiming defacto air superiority over the country or harassing coalition aircraft going about their anti-ISIS business.

    One of the best things about the F-22 is the enemy finding it tough to know if it is even present at any given time, allowing for a small force to make a huge impact. Still, just a half dozen or so jets in the region based a thousand miles away from Syria is not a credible deterrent, even if the enemy cannot know if they are in the area or not. Adding the six or so jets from the Hawaii ANG is a whole different story.

    Additionally, a substantial F-22 force deployed to the CENTCOM region gives commanders options that they do not have with 4th generation fighter aircraft Options in such a potentially volatile military situation are incredibly valuable.

    Maybe it will take a F-22 pilot loitering at close to 60,000 feet above central Syria to suddenly turn off their “low-probability of intercept” radar mode and actively paint a Flanker with radar from over a hundred miles away, just to go electromagnetically silent again and disappear, to remind Russia who and what exactly they are dealing with.
    Who knows - that could be the Hawaii Air National Guard’s very mission.

    Note: We reached out the 154th Wing for comment and have yet to hear back from them.
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    I expect to see first photos of russian S-300 complex very soon...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Erk on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:12 pm

    What this news, admitted to by the West itself, of these US-backed "moderates" joining Al Qaeda's ranks by the thousands proves is that at the very least America's policy of building up a moderate opposition has failed entirely. What documented evidence stretching back as far as 2007 proves is that the US had no intention of building up a moderate opposition in the first place, and news of "defections" are simply cover for the direct funding and arming of Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

    At the very least, Russia bombing these groups either having already defected to Al Qaeda, or inevitably going to defect to Al Qaeda, is doing the Pentagon a favor.

    Russia is Bombing Al Qaeda

    This leads back to the most recent New York Times article. Russia is not arbitrarily bombing "moderates" backed by the US in Syria to stave off allegedly "legitimate" opposition to the government in Damascus - Russia is bombing terrorists who are either operating under the banner of Al Qaeda but are portrayed as otherwise by the US, or will inevitably end up turning their fighters and weapons over to Al Qaeda. Russia is bombing Al Qaeda.

    The New York Times article would also claim:

    “By supporting Assad and seemingly taking on everybody fighting Assad,” Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said Wednesday, Russia is “taking on the whole rest of the country that’s fighting Assad.” Some of those groups, he added, are supported by the United States and need to be part of a political resolution in Syria.

    Indeed, Russia is undoubtedly bombing militants supported by the United States, but that is only because the United States has intentionally supported Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria. At any time if the United States truly wanted to strike an irreparable blow at ISIS forces, it could simply seal off the Turkish border across which the summation of ISIS' supplies, fighters, weapons, and vehicles flow. By securing the Turkish-Syrian border to the north, and the Jordanian-Syrian border in the south, the United States could strangle ISIS out of existence in a month, if not sooner.

    Part of a much larger informative article by Tony Cartalucci http://landdestroyer.blogspot.mx/2015/09/us-complains-as-russia-bombs-its.html#more

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ult on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:17 pm

    Latakia


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Hachimoto on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:29 pm

    Frogfoot hit by rebels


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ult on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:30 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:Frogfoot hit by rebels

    It's fake. Has been debunked a million times. Do not bring this crap here, please.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  ult on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:48 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:
    ult wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:Frogfoot hit by rebels

    It's fake. Has been debunked a million times. Do not bring this crap here, please.

    Really? where is the fake part?

    Here. Let me mark the fake part.

    Russian fighter jet SU-25 hit by Syrian rebels in Hama


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Solncepek on Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:21 pm

    СМИ: Пентагон рассматривает силовой ответ на операцию РФ в Сирии

    Чиновники Пентагона в данный момент разрабатывают стратегию по защите «умеренной» сирийской оппозиции. Как отмечают военные источники из Вашингтона, речь идёт о случае предполагаемых ударов РФ по силам сирийской оппозиции.

    Как отмечают собеседники агентства The Associated Press, Пентагон оценивает юридические и политические риски от этих действий.
    Чиновники не исключают, что если Соединённые Штаты будут оказывать прикрытие силам оппозиции, в худшем случае это может привести к полномасштабной конфронтации с Россией.

    It is a forum rule that all posts are in English or at least translated into English so all members can understand. GarryB

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zorobabel on Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:29 pm

    From Twitter:

    #Syria As expected, Russian Su-30M are giving air cover to Su-24/25/34 over Idlib. At least 2 R-77 AA missiles. http://t.co/NHLXWVe34V

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:16 pm

    Solncepek wrote:СМИ: Пентагон рассматривает силовой ответ на операцию РФ в Сирии

    Чиновники Пентагона в данный момент разрабатывают стратегию по защите «умеренной» сирийской оппозиции. Как отмечают военные источники из Вашингтона, речь идёт о случае предполагаемых ударов РФ по силам сирийской оппозиции.

    Как отмечают собеседники агентства The Associated Press, Пентагон оценивает юридические и политические риски от этих действий.
    Чиновники не исключают, что если Соединённые Штаты будут оказывать прикрытие силам оппозиции, в худшем случае это может привести к полномасштабной конфронтации с Россией.
    Please can you stop posting Russian text without a translation? That way it is only done once rather than everybody having to do it. This is after all an English language site. Thanks.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:29 pm

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:47 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    George1 wrote:In video there are visible the bombs that Su-34 and Su-24 are carrying

    Seems that wannabe politician Kitschko posts on youtube?  I told him to go fight himself or go support more nazi's.

    Piece of ****

    I saw post too but i dont understand a thing, parachute, pilot, jump... he doesnt make much sense to me, probably coz i dont really speak the language very well Very Happy

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:51 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:Frogfoot hit by rebels


    I think if they screamed more "God is great" it would might even crash, i heard it helps alot.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:55 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:Senator John McCain reacted to Russia’s announcement that it had begun launching air strikes targeting ISIS militants in Syria by calling on the White House to arm Syrian rebels with weapons to shoot down Russian planes.

    They got noting besides Stingers to give and those wont do f all.  Only on landing/launching.  And they are not even close enough to pull that off.  McCain is a real idiot and nutball.

    But it is almost a guarantee that the rebels will end up with brand new Stingers or Iglas or Strela's, so Russia will have to be on full guard and ready to deal with such enemies.

    Even congress isn't stupid enough to send stingers. Igla's, maybe. However, if ISIS gets a hold of them and god forbid does something horrible, it'll be a real shitstorm. The US will be blamed.
    I'd say the lack of Russian helicopter support is in direct anticipation of this. As sepheronx said, MANPADS will come to nought against the current aircraft deployed by the RuAF. 

    So far the plan being enacted in Syria is sheer genius on the strategic front, as well as in the PR department. Don't expect them not to anticipate any Western moves from this point forward. Russia seems to be atleast two steps ahead in the Great Game at the moment.

    A Re-Repost FTW!

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Excellent news, Richag-AV ECM suite designed for helicopters, and developed by KRET, is a very capable system...

    1.) ECM is effective against ground targets from 50-200 km away!

    2.) Can jam up to 8 targets simultaneously!

    3.) ECM is effective against air targets up to 300 km away!




    ...So with this system you can defeat grounds targets with a ECM sphere that is 400 km in diameter, and for air targets that is 600 km in diameter!

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:02 pm



    This needs to be seen and shared. Off Topic

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:06 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    This needs to be seen and shared. Off Topic

    Haha there's a Survey that was done by the Foreigners Office here in Belgium among 467 Syrians that applied the two first days for Refugee Status. 294 of them pointed the Free Syrian Army as the responsible for their trouble. 40 said Assad. The rest pointed war in general. Most of them could speak at least 2 languages and were from Aleppo.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:11 pm



    Two SU34s with KAB 500SE satnav guided bombs with dual GPS/Glonass reciever chip built by Russian Kompas.

    Source video is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eadiriG5rog - RT in Arabic

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Bolt on Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:12 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    This needs to be seen and shared. Off Topic

    Haha there's a Survey that was done by the Foreigners Office here in Belgium among 467 Syrians that applied the two first days for Refugee Status. 294 of them pointed the Free Syrian Army as the responsible for their trouble. 40 said Assad. The rest pointed war in general. Most of them could speak at least 2 languages and were from Aleppo.
    KoTeMoRe, is this survey "closed" or can any person who wants to look at it, check it? I mean, are there any online links, please?
    I'm not saying I don't believe you, but if that's true, I really want to show it to some of the people I know..

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