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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  wilhelm on Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:12 pm

    Austin wrote:official press release from ilyushin   http://www.ilyushin.org/press/news/ev6441/

    The contract to carry out development work on the creation of modernized passenger aircraft IL-96-400M


    February 8, 2017



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    The wide-body long-haul passenger aircraft IL-96-400M created as a further development of the Il-96-300.

    The fuselage of the airliner will be extended to 9.65 meters, as the power plant will be used more powerful PS-90A1 engines instead of the PS-90A, which will improve fuel efficiency.


    IL-96-400M can take on board up to 390 passengers. large-diameter fuselage provides passengers with a modern level of comfort on long-haul flights.



    Terms of the contract provide for the production of prototype Il-96-400M for flight tests. It is planned that the first time he will rise in the sky in 2019.

    So the new Il-96-400M will be how long exactly?
    9,65m longer than the base Il-96-300 which is 55 meters long...so 64m long or thereabouts? In other words...it will still be as long as the original Il-96-400?

    I guess I'm also trying to figure out whether all the models developed from the baseline Il-96-300, in other words the Il-96M, Il-96T, Il-96TZ, Il-96-400 and now the Il-96-400M have the same fuselage stretch.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:40 am

    JDC: INDIAN CUSTOMERS INTERESTED IN ENGINE PD-14

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/02/14/419785.html


    Specific fuel consumption at the PD-14 to 12-16% lower than those of their foreign counterparts, and life cycle costs are lower by 15-20%. This engine operation will cost overall by 14-17% cheaper.



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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:43 am

    wilhelm wrote:
    Austin wrote:official press release from ilyushin   http://www.ilyushin.org/press/news/ev6441/

    The contract to carry out development work on the creation of modernized passenger aircraft IL-96-400M


    February 8, 2017



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    The wide-body long-haul passenger aircraft IL-96-400M created as a further development of the Il-96-300.

    The fuselage of the airliner will be extended to 9.65 meters, as the power plant will be used more powerful PS-90A1 engines instead of the PS-90A, which will improve fuel efficiency.


    IL-96-400M can take on board up to 390 passengers. large-diameter fuselage provides passengers with a modern level of comfort on long-haul flights.



    Terms of the contract provide for the production of prototype Il-96-400M for flight tests. It is planned that the first time he will rise in the sky in 2019.

    So the new Il-96-400M will be how long exactly?
    9,65m longer than the base Il-96-300 which is 55 meters long...so 64m long or thereabouts? In other words...it will still be as long as the original Il-96-400?

    I guess I'm also trying to figure out whether all the models developed from the baseline Il-96-300, in other words the Il-96M, Il-96T, Il-96TZ, Il-96-400 and now the Il-96-400M have the same fuselage stretch.

    About 9.6 m longer compared to IL-96-300

    But I expecpt most changes to be internal like using newer materials to significantly reduce weight from SSJ/MS-21 program may be couple of tons and using newer cockpit technology , extralarge MFD , HUD etc , More comformt for passengers etc

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Firebird on Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:37 pm

    Does anyone know what the long term plan is with the new Il-96?

    Will it be of a tech level say, comparable with the 787 Dreamliner? Or more like the 777?

    Also where will it fit in with the Sino-Russian wide bodied jet?

    Will it be a bit like Brahmos with India?
    eg Russia designs something for the other country, but uses its own home made version for its own use?

    Will the Il-96 form the basis for the new wide bodied jet. Or will the new wide bodied basically be a new design?

    As far as I can see, the Il-96 is an extremely good plane. Comparable to 777 and Airbus but not at the level of the MS-21 just yet.

    Finally, I wonder what sort of numbers will be produced. If this plane is good enough to be the Russian presidential plane, I'm sure its good enough to replace the Boeings in Russian civil fleets.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:34 am

    Aerodynamics don't change much... with brand new engines even a DC-3 could be a reasonably efficient transport for its size.

    The 777 is supposed to be electric, but they still seemed to manage to lose one...


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  marat on Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:51 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    Finally, I wonder what sort of numbers will be produced. If this plane is good enough to be the Russian presidential plane, I'm sure its good enough to replace the Boeings in Russian civil fleets.

    That is not good comparation.

    Presidential AC do not need to bring money to its owner.



    It doesn not need to fly 300+days each year for more then 10-12 hours in air each day, he doesn not need to be confortable for hundreds of pasengers but just several of them. You do not need maintenace network all over the globe but just in home airport. If something is broken you just use another aircraft until first one is repaired, without paying compensation and hotels for hunderds of passengers that lost their flight and whose vacation is ruined. You do not need to convince hundreds of businissmans to buy it for dozens of different companies, you just need to convince one or two politician that buying this plane is good for countries image.

    Do you think that Ferrari is great choice for local taxi driver or high class presidential armored Mercedes?

    Tottaly different categories.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  par far on Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:06 pm

    "Iran plans to buy 12 Superjet-100 Russian aircraft in near future — minister."




    http://tass.com/economy/932283



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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:12 pm

    Improved Ilyushin Il-96 airliner to fly in 2019

    http://www.rusaviainsider.com/improved-ilyushin-il-96-airliner-to-fly-in-2019/


    Tu-204-300 approved by ETOPS-120


    http://www.rusaviainsider.com/tu-204-300-approved-by-etops-120/

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:15 pm

    I see Tu-204 is ETOPS 120 Certified , Didnt see any ETOPS certification for IL-96

    PS-90A2 on their website shows ETOPS-120 Certified. http://www.pmz.ru/eng/products/civil/PS-90A2/

    Didnt they certify PS-90 variant for ETOPS 180 or IL-96 for ETOPS 180 and above ??


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:17 pm

    I saw for PD-14 Engine they are compliant for ETOPS 180 which is quite good

    http://pmz.ru/eng/advanced-developments/pd-14_/

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:10 pm

    UAC, Comac Aim For 10% Widebody Cost Advantage

    http://aviationweek.com/zhuhai-2016/uac-comac-aim-10-widebody-cost-advantage



    ZHUHAI, China and MOSCOW—United Aircraft Corp. (UAC) and Comac are targeting a 10% advantage in operating costs over aircraft that will compete with their planned 280-seat widebody aircraft.

    Adopting a conservative development schedule, the Russian and Chinese companies have pushed out the target for entry into service to probably 2027, about two years later than previously intended.

    Registration in Shanghai of the their joint company, apparently marking the beginning of full-scale development, will occur this year or in the first quarter of 2017, according to slightly conflicting statements by the partners.

    They plan that UAC will build the wing, which will be of composite material, while Comac makes the fuselage, using aluminum and composite, said Yuri Slyusar, president of the Russian company. Final assembly will be Shanghai, the home of Comac.

    The initial version of what has been provisionally called the Long-Range Wide-Body Commercial Aircraft (LRWBCA) will be powered by a Rolls-Royce or General Electric engine, Slyusar told Aviation Daily. A Russian engine, the United Engine Co. (UEC)PD-35, should follow around 2030.

    A preliminary design has been agreed upon. The proportions of a model unveiled at Airshow China, held Nov. 1–6 here, show that a cabin width for nine-abreast economy seating, which appeared in early design studies, has been retained (Aviation Daily, Sept. 28, 2015). Range will be 12,000 km (7,500 mi.).

    For the targeted 10% advantage in operating costs, UAC does not identify the baseline competitor, but it is presumably the Airbus A330-900.

    Almost all the advantage will come from superior structural and aerodynamic efficiency, since UAC expects the chosen turbofan will have about the same technology level as the engines in the latest Airbus and Boeing types. So it looks like the gain in efficiency will, above all, come from the composite wing.

    UAC and Comac have become steadily more conservative in their scheduling for the development. In 2014, when a formerly vague plan for the aircraft was becoming firmer, the target for first delivery was 2023–25. By early 2015, it had become 2025. Now it has moved out by two years, only partly because of a delay in launch.

    The development period is set at around 10 years, which longer than any manufacturer has allowed for developing a commercial jet. Slyusar says “We will try to shorten this process by maybe one or two years.” The first flight should be made seven years after program launch.

    An imprecise schedule discussed last year implied that the companies thought they needed nine years for development. If the project is launched into full-scale development in 2017, then the LRWBCA would fly in 2024 and enter service around 2027.

    Work is to be shared equally. Each side can allocate its 50% between its domestic companies and outsiders, the industry source said. Suppliers of all systems are to be elected by 2018, Slyusar said.

    Russian avionics specialist Kret would like to supply the communications, navigation and surveillance system and the air traffic management system, a senior manager of that company said. It may also build part of the flight control system.

    The clear risk to the LRWBCA program is relations between the partner countries, especially Russia, could worsen to the point that the supply of systems from other countries could be blocked by sanctions. Foreign systems, notably engines, are needed to make the type competitive.

    Slyusar played down the risk of supplies being blocked. “This 100% a civil aircraft,” he said. “That is why we don’t expect that any sanctions and any geopolitical risks [would affect] this product.” UAC is encouraging suppliers to the Irkut MC-21 and Sukhoi Superjet 100 programs to stick with the company.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:19 pm

    Good Details on PD-35 Engine Program

    Russia gearing up for 35-ton turbofan engine


    http://www.rusaviainsider.com/uec-gearing-up-for-a-35-ton-engine/

    Russia’s United Engine Corporation (UEC) is gearing up for developing high-thrust turbofan engines for future commercial airliners. In particular, the Perm-based Aviadvigatel enterprise (an UEC subsidiary) is looking into the possibility of upscaling the core of the new PD-14 engine, UEC deputy chief designer Victor Belousov told the Aircraft Engines Of The 21st Century conference recently held at the Central Institute for Aviation Motors (TsIAM).

    The PD-14, with its 14-ton nominal thrust, was developed for Russia’s Irkut MC-21 next-generation narrowbody aircraft. The engine commenced flight tests on an Ilyushin I-76LL flying testbed in late October.

    It is, however, the 35-ton PD-35 that will become the baseline model for the new enlarge family of powerplants, says Igor Maximov, the PD family chief designer at the development and prouction plant Aviadvigatel. For that new powerplant, the core of the PD-14 will received an additional stage at the discharge of the high-pressure compressor. As a result, the total number of stages at the PD-35 compressor and turbine will be 9+2, and the high-pressure compressor intake diameter will be 815 mm, as compared to the PD-14’s 582 mm. The engine’s fan diameter will reportedly be 3,100 mm; the engine will be over 8 m long, and will weigh around 8 tons.

    At least two more powerplants will be developed from the PD-35: the 28-ton PD-28 and the 24-ton PD-24. The larger two of the engine family will be offered for next-generation two- and four-engine widebodies, whereas the smallest one will be mounted on short-haul widebody airliners and a heavy military transport, says Aviadvigatel’s presentation.

    One feasible application for the smallest of the powerplants would be the widebody airliner under joint development by Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation and China’s COMAC. The 280-seat aircraft, codenamed C929, is scheduled to make its maiden flight in 2021 and enter service in 2025.

    Belousov notes that a similar powerplant program is being looked into at Samara-based Kuznetsov Company (also part of UEC), which is considering developing engines with up to 35 t thrust from the NK-32 turbojet engine currently powering Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bombers. According to Belousov, both companies are looking at the classic layout and the geared-turbofan possibility.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:22 pm

    I went to Aero India 2017 this time around , Got to see Russian Stall , Got brochure on may Russian system and got new issue of Air Fleet and Take Off Magazine special to Aero India 2017

    It has covered IL-114-300 and IL-112 program in depth , I will scan and put up here as I get time to do so.

    Any information I was trying to ask on FGFA/T-50 program met with one response from Russian Side , it is Top Secret Laughing

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:54 pm

    Interview with Aeroflot Chief , He says he wont buy the new IL-96-400M and IL-114-300 aircraft and is in favour of full pritivisation of Aeroflot

    He doesnt seem to be too enthustic about MS-21 and even the SSJ-100 but is high praise of Boeing and Airbus aircraft.

    I wonder why he is even head of Aeroflot


    VITALY SAVELYEV: "AEROFLOT" WITHOUT SENTIMENTALITY

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/02/20/421265.html


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:55 pm

    Comparison of operational economy IL-96-300 and Boeing 767-300 on the experience of "Aeroflot"

    http://www.ato.ru/content/sravnenie-ekspluatacionnoy-ekonomiki-il-96-300-i-boeing-767-300-na-opyte-aeroflota
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:10 pm

    Austin wrote:Interview with Aeroflot Chief , He says he wont buy the new IL-96-400M and IL-114-300 aircraft and is in favour of full pritivisation of Aeroflot

    He doesnt seem to be too enthustic about MS-21 and even the SSJ-100 but is high praise of Boeing and Airbus aircraft.

    I wonder why he is even head of Aeroflot


    VITALY SAVELYEV: "AEROFLOT" WITHOUT SENTIMENTALITY

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/02/20/421265.html


    And yet here is today's news involving one of his Airbuses;

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702261051057339-russia-aeroflot-zurich/

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:26 pm

    franco wrote:
    Austin wrote:Interview with Aeroflot Chief , He says he wont buy the new IL-96-400M and IL-114-300 aircraft and is in favour of full pritivisation of Aeroflot

    He doesnt seem to be too enthustic about MS-21 and even the SSJ-100 but is high praise of Boeing and Airbus aircraft.

    I wonder why he is even head of Aeroflot


    VITALY SAVELYEV: "AEROFLOT" WITHOUT SENTIMENTALITY

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/02/20/421265.html


    And yet here is today's news involving one of his Airbuses;

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702261051057339-russia-aeroflot-zurich/

    I read today they are selling off all their A-321 , Why not force them to buy Tu-204SM or MS-21 instead ?

    Aeroflot is too arrogant for their own good and detrimental to Russian Aviation Industry
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:28 pm

    Austin wrote:Interview with Aeroflot Chief , He says he wont buy the new IL-96-400M and IL-114-300 aircraft and is in favour of full pritivisation of Aeroflot

    He doesnt seem to be too enthustic about MS-21 and even the SSJ-100 but is high praise of Boeing and Airbus aircraft.

    I wonder why he is even head of Aeroflot


    VITALY SAVELYEV: "AEROFLOT" WITHOUT SENTIMENTALITY

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/02/20/421265.html


    Another bootlick prat. He should bugger on off to his promised land instead of being a 5th columnist in Russia.
    I am tired of these f*ckwad theoreticians who think that a 1% saving on maintenance costs justifies
    Russia losing its aircraft industry.

    1) The global efficiency is clearly enhanced by Russia retaining its aircraft industry even if some 2 bit operator
    does not like marginal extra costs. Savelyev's paradise would result in Russia's GDP declining in a significant way,
    hence he is actually advocating negative efficiency gains. He can go and jump in a lake.

    2) What stops Russian technological progress? Savelyev is implicitly claiming that Russian aircraft will never compete
    with precious NATO tech. So he is a 5th column maggot who needs to leave his post and quick.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:30 pm

    Austin wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Austin wrote:Interview with Aeroflot Chief , He says he wont buy the new IL-96-400M and IL-114-300 aircraft and is in favour of full pritivisation of Aeroflot

    He doesnt seem to be too enthustic about MS-21 and even the SSJ-100 but is high praise of Boeing and Airbus aircraft.

    I wonder why he is even head of Aeroflot


    VITALY SAVELYEV: "AEROFLOT" WITHOUT SENTIMENTALITY

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/02/20/421265.html


    And yet here is today's news involving one of his Airbuses;

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702261051057339-russia-aeroflot-zurich/


    I read today they are selling off all their A-321 , Why not force them to buy Tu-204SM or MS-21 instead ?

    Aeroflot is too arrogant for their own good and detrimental to Russian Aviation Industry


    I completely agree. Savelyev needs to be fired on the spot. He is not some god who decides the size of Russia's economy
    and closes off important branches of technological development because his outfit is allegedly not happy even with yet to
    be produce aircraft. This actually smells of corruption to me. I would not be surprised if Airbus and Boeing don't give this
    f*cker kickbacks. That is normal business practice by these companies.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:34 pm


    Savelyev can bark all he wants.

    Once MS-21 is on the market there will be just one course of actions.

    And they are already getting extra SJ-100's

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:20 pm

    kvs wrote:  I would not be surprised if Airbus and Boeing don't give this
    f*cker kickbacks.   That is normal business practice by these companies.

    They would ofcourse.

    In India the State Airline Air India for International travel is mostly Boeing and Domestic travel its mostly Airbus ........No one yet figured out why or questioned it , Bribe pays a big role is the rumour

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:22 pm

    Tripreport! CityJet Sukhoi SSJ-100 Superjet AMS-AMS


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:29 pm

    Another Nice video of SSJ landing cockpit view


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    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:32 pm

    Sukhoi SuperJet 100 Sidestick Operation, Dual camera view.


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    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:33 pm

    Cockpit / nose view double video of the SSJ100 landing at Toluca International Airport, Mexico (MMTO / TLC). A hazy day landing on runway 15. ILS hand flown approac


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