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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:11 pm

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    miketheterrible wrote:I guess they would have no choice but to retrofit it with Russian avionics from Kret. Engines may be a problem.

    The Sukhoi Superjet is in the same situation as the L-410. It uses many western components. But it is not been affected by sanctions thus far.

    In case sanctions are introduced against Russia to disrupt production of civil aviation, Boeing and Airbus can kiss good-bye to any orders from Aeroflot and other Russian airlines. They will also have to do without the Titanium they buy from Russia, they will also have to find new sources for landing gears which are produced for the western narrow-bodies in IIRKUT etc. etc.

    Sanctions in the civil aviation field will hurt both sides very hard.

    But yes, I am all for switching to Kret and other domestic components.

    Yes it will hurt but we cant trust these Lunatic Western Leaders ability to hurt their own feet and claim victory.

    It is better to reduce western component on Superjet or any Russian jet to the minimum possible ......Replace the Superjet engine with PD-9 variant

    And it is good for RUssian industry too as most jobs will come to Russia and will reduce Russian dependence on Western component

    Agreed. But it can not happen overnight, it will take time.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:29 pm



    Literally 10 minutes ago
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:32 pm

    Boeing is major contributor to titanium valley in Russia.

    That said, importance of tu-204 may increase since it uses Russian components and not western. That is if the west follows this be path of theirs.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:49 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    That said, importance of tu-204 may increase since it uses Russian components and not western. That is if the west follows this be path of theirs.

    Sadly not the case , those idiots cancelled even the modern Tu-204SM they did not produce

    Not more than 10 Tu-204/214 aircraft will be built now that is best case scenario.

    They want to focus on MS-21
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:54 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Literally 10 minutes ago

    https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/819106577009414144

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:57 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Boeing is major contributor to titanium valley in Russia.

    That said, importance of tu-204 may increase since it uses Russian components and not western. That is if the west follows this be path of theirs.

    With Tu-214 canceled and very small number of Tu-204s ordered i dont think it will happen. All resources seem to have been redirected to MS-21. Also one of problems aviation in general needs to be independent is fully developed comestic tooling production (or at least to have lions share in tooling machines production) , work on which started just 2-3 years back and has a very long way to go.

    You are not truly independed as long as you are forced to use mainly German, South Korean or Japanese machines, some of which are very specific and are prone to being denied in future.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:57 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/819106577009414144

    Da hells that O.o?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:15 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/819106577009414144

    Da hells that O.o?

    Current diplomatic dialogue level.

    And a Frog.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:01 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Boeing is major contributor to titanium valley in Russia.

    That said, importance of tu-204 may increase since it uses Russian components and not western. That is if the west follows this be path of theirs.

    With Tu-214 canceled and very small number of Tu-204s ordered i dont think it will happen. All resources seem to have been redirected to MS-21. Also one of problems aviation in general needs to be independent is fully developed comestic tooling production (or at least to have lions share in tooling machines production) , work on which started just 2-3 years back and has a very long way to go.

    You are not truly independed as long as you are forced to use mainly German, South Korean or Japanese machines, some of which are very specific and are prone to being denied in future.

    partially true. For most part, Russia expanded development of toolings quite a bit in last 2 years. As well, they still produce the tu-204 in small. If forced to, they can revamp production so they are not left with nothing. Same with il-96. The counter effects would hurt Boeing more.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:18 pm


    PROSPECTIVE AIRCRAFT MVL CAN BE PRESENTED AT THE MAKS-2017

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/01/11/409617.html

    Promising devyatimestny plane of local airlines, developed by the Siberian Scientific Research Institute of Aviation (SibNIA) may be first presented at the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017, he said in an interview Rambler News Service (RNS) Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Andrey Boginsky .

    "We hope that, at least, it would be desirable, of course, to see one of the first flights next year will be able to see it to the max.", - He said.

    According to him, designed to transport from 9 to 19 passenger aircraft developments are based SibNIA. The deputy minister noted that so far sketched-technical project devyatimestnogo airplane is ready. "The works are deployed. Go, in my opinion, the right way. First, based on the flying laboratory An-2 was tested wing prototype. It has proved its efficiency in flight. Then colleagues made sketchily-technical project devyatimestnogo aircraft. Now there is production of components aircraft apparatus ", - quotes RNS A.Boginskogo.

    In addition, A.Boginsky said that within the project of regional aviation development is being localized production of L-410 in Yekaterinburg. "Czech partner of the following for any information about the project and sensitive to rumors that the alleged domestic owners want to close the plant in the Czech Republic, and move production to Ekaterinburg This problem is not present." - He said the RNS. The Deputy Minister explained that the Russian side plans - coordination with the aircraft manufacturer Aircraft Industries (Czech Republic) to adapt the production of L-410 to Russian conditions. According A.Boginskogo it more competitive in our market than the Canadian aircraft Twin Otter. The representative of the department said that the Czech aircraft consistent with the priorities and preferences of leasing companies. He also stressed that the company Aircraft Industries Russian shareholders.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:41 pm

    Austin wrote:
    PROSPECTIVE AIRCRAFT MVL CAN BE PRESENTED AT THE MAKS-2017

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/01/11/409617.html

    Promising devyatimestny plane of local airlines, developed by the Siberian Scientific Research Institute of Aviation (SibNIA) may be first presented at the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017, he said in an interview Rambler News Service (RNS) Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Andrey Boginsky .

    "We hope that, at least, it would be desirable, of course, to see one of the first flights next year will be able to see it to the max.", - He said.

    According to him, designed to transport from 9 to 19 passenger aircraft developments are based SibNIA. The deputy minister noted that so far sketched-technical project devyatimestnogo airplane is ready. "The works are deployed. Go, in my opinion, the right way. First, based on the flying laboratory An-2 was tested wing prototype. It has proved its efficiency in flight. Then colleagues made sketchily-technical project devyatimestnogo aircraft. Now there is production of components aircraft apparatus ", - quotes RNS A.Boginskogo.

    In addition, A.Boginsky said that within the project of regional aviation development is being localized production of L-410 in Yekaterinburg. "Czech partner of the following for any information about the project and sensitive to rumors that the alleged domestic owners want to close the plant in the Czech Republic, and move production to Ekaterinburg This problem is not present." - He said the RNS. The Deputy Minister explained that the Russian side plans - coordination with the aircraft manufacturer Aircraft Industries (Czech Republic) to adapt the production of L-410 to Russian conditions. According A.Boginskogo it more competitive in our market than the Canadian aircraft Twin Otter. The representative of the department said that the Czech aircraft consistent with the priorities and preferences of leasing companies. He also stressed that the company Aircraft Industries Russian shareholders.

    Deviatmestny means: ten seater

    Sounds like another attempt to replace the immortal AN-2.
    The earlier Rysachok aircraft that looked promising was rejected.

    I don't know if it is an alternative to the L-410. It is probably smaller and cheaper.

    By the way, the manufacturer of the L-410 is the Czech company LET. However it was bought by a Russian enterprise. So, the design and production facilities in the Czech Republic are majority Russian owned. Production is now being moved to Ulyanovsk (Russia).
    They recently signed a contract for five Russia production L-410 from a local company.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:30 am

    Found a new video of Tu-204-100 Passenger Airline with Air Koryo , Its nice to such Tu-204 fly .......Note the bumpy landing though.

    Perfect machine


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:46 pm

    I was reading on IL-96-300 and comparing to Western Aircraft and this aircraft is roughly comparable to B-777-200 and B-747-400

    B-747-400 carries though 450+ passenger while IL-96-300 carries 300 , but with IL-96-400 , B-747-400 will be roughly comparable.

    Quite impressive of IL-96-400 to have capability comparable to Boeing 747-400.

    Tu-204/214 is comparable to  Boeing 757 and Airbus A-321

    http://planes.axlegeeks.com/compare/231-532/Airbus-A321-vs-Tupolev-Tu-214
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    Post  Airman on Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:22 pm

    Actually I'm a fan of Russian-made Jet airliners. United Aircraft Corporation should be focused on Il-96-400, Tu-204SM, Superjet 100 and MC-21. These planes are important for the future of the Russian aviation industry. There are a lot of countries in the world which is close to Russia. For Example North Korea. Air Koryo could be a good customer for Russian planes.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:30 pm

    Tu-204MS has been cancelled, UAC is not financing it, all resources go to MS-21 instead.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:28 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Tu-204MS has been cancelled, UAC is not financing it, all resources go to MS-21 instead.

    Very Sad , they spend a good mount of resource making Tu-204SM and even had plans to sell 45-50 of these types to local airliners

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:57 pm

    Not as strange looking as the earlier Ekranoplan craft.

    18 January, 2017 SOURCE: Flightglobal Pro BY: David Kaminski-Morrow London

    Russian researchers are analysing the potential of a heavy freighter design which would rely on ground-effect lift.

    The aircraft would feature a cargo compartment which would act as a wing, with a capacity for 500t of freight in standardised containers.

    This arrangement would ensure “optimal use” of the internal volume, says the Moscow-based Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute, and increase the efficiency.


    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-russian-institute-studies-ekranoplan-frei-433286/

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:02 pm

    IL-96-400T

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:09 am

    The main problem with WIG aircraft is that while they lose a lot of drag by flying very low their jet engines are not as efficient at low altitudes and the thicker air at lower altitudes means they cannot fly as fast as they could have a higher altitudes.


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:41 am

    This should agur well for Tu-214 & SSJ 100 program , sadly it took them a huge disaster to realise these old types needs replacement

    Russian Defense Ministry plans to stop using Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62M aircraft


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    http://tass.com/defense/926196

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    Consultations are now underway with the industry to select the best options," one of the sources said.

    According to the paper, the Russian Defense Ministry and enterprises that are part of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation are to agree on a "roadmap", decide which aircraft will be taken out of service in the first place and build a production schedule for the plants.

    "Tu-154 could be replaced by the SSJ 100 short-haul aircraft, and Il-62 and Tu-154 - by the Tu-214 longer-range plane. The military is presently working on this issue," a source in the industry said.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:26 am

    If they really need to change out early, before new replacements can be manufactured, there is a glut of all kinds of around 10 year old Western aircraft at crazy low prices they can chose from. Especially those with 4 engines being replaced by 2 engine equivalents. Fuel consumption/fare prices being less of a problem for Russian military Very Happy .

    Bit like the MoD buying in all those old merchant ships for the Syrian Express.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:58 am

    Il-114-300

    In August 2016 production site Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Plant (NAZ) "Sokol" (RAC "MiG" branch) It held a meeting on the implementation of Il-114 program, chaired by President George Slusar KLA. "We nahodimsya in the schedule, which was presented
    President of Russia, - said at the end of Yuri Slusar meeting. - Work on the sub-preparation of serial production of Il-114 developed

    Back, is in the process of digitization project documentation options are calculated Use touched, made to Tash
    Kent plant. This will bring the period of the first flight of the aircraft. Generally project, based cooperative, more than 40%,
    According to our calculations, can be are localized but in Nizhny Novgorod and in enterprises Volga Federal District. it
    such enterprises as "Gidromash", "Flight" "Heat Exchanger". Final assembly samole that will be carried out at the plant "Sokol". "

    IL-114 - the regional turboprop aircraft. Universal transport platform shape provides the ability to create on the basis of passenger IL-114 family of self Mallett various applications - gruzovo- second, the combined passenger and cargo, special aviation aircraft (patrulno- first, health, air command points, aircraft and other aerial photography.) aircraft on the ski-wheeled chassis.

    The decision to commercialize pro-production of Il-114 aircraft was made in May 2016. This small machine must ensure that the internal market local air date aircraft in the class of aircraft with ko amount of places up to 52-64. As representatives enterprise-finalists for the project Il-114 will perform the RAC "MiG", composed of NAZ "Sokol" came. final assembly the aircraft will be on the Nizhny city's metropolitan area.

    "Russian Industry and Trade Ministry jointly question worked with the Ministry of Finance of Russia funding Il-114 project - he said
    Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Andrey Boginsky. - In 2016, the program will be allocated 2.3 bln. rubles financing. These funds will be used to finance the okra, technical re-equipment of production factory and plant production
    GOVERNMENTAL cooperation, as well as deployment and maintenance of the system posleprodazh- tion of service. "
    Development work on the project the aircraft carries the developer - the company of "IL". The design of the machine will be vnese-
    us some change. "Concerning basic aircraft have changing cross V-wing, - says Olga Kruglyakova. -

    We are increasing it to be landing a greater angle deviations zakryl Cove and, accordingly, lower landing
    speed, the best landing characteristics ki. " Furthermore, due to the fact that the new

    IL-114 instead of the previous engine TV7-117S It decided to install its new modification TV7-117SM more traction, improve vzlet-
    characteristics of the machine. In the future, the company "IL" considered Vaeth unification of IL-114 motor with the engine
    TV7-117ST, which will be put on easily cue military transport aircraft Il-112V. In this case, IL-114 can be based with a maximum take-off weight on the strip length of 1 300 m (now - about 1900 m). This will give a significant improvement vzlet-but and landing characteristics.

    In addition, the IL-114 is a replacement part on-board equipment on more up mennoe, so it will be able to achieve full import. For successful crew performing their duties, Il-114-300 is set digital flight control and navigation system, obe-vides taking off and landing in meteouslo tions, the relevant ICAO category II.

    All flight and navigation information and information about the aircraft systems dis displayed on the color liquid-five crystal display.

    "It is assumed IL-114-Certification 300 on the aviation rules AP-25 - go vorit Olga Kruglyakova. - Who is he certificate of airworthiness standards civil aircraft NLGS-3. True, the first machines that collect on the basis of fuselages, came from Tashkent, will
    certified by another NLGS-3, and those which those to be produced from scratch in Russia - on the AP-25. Having a certificate AP-25, they can be sold on the international market. "
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:00 am

    Austin wrote:This should agur well for Tu-214 & SSJ 100 program , sadly it took them a huge disaster to realise these old types needs replacement

    Russian Defense Ministry plans to stop using Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62M aircraft


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/926196

    "
    Consultations are now underway with the industry to select the best options," one of the sources said.

    According to the paper, the Russian Defense Ministry and enterprises that are part of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation are to agree on a "roadmap", decide which aircraft will be taken out of service in the first place and build a production schedule for the plants.

    "Tu-154 could be replaced by the SSJ 100 short-haul aircraft, and Il-62 and Tu-154 - by the Tu-214 longer-range plane. The military is presently working on this issue," a source in the industry said.

    With the exception of a couple of Tu-154M airliners produced during this decade, all of the above planes are old and will need to be replaced anyways.
    So, the above bit of news is a not really news.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:03 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    Austin wrote:This should agur well for Tu-214 & SSJ 100 program , sadly it took them a huge disaster to realise these old types needs replacement

    Russian Defense Ministry plans to stop using Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62M aircraft


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/926196

    "
    Consultations are now underway with the industry to select the best options," one of the sources said.

    According to the paper, the Russian Defense Ministry and enterprises that are part of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation are to agree on a "roadmap", decide which aircraft will be taken out of service in the first place and build a production schedule for the plants.

    "Tu-154 could be replaced by the SSJ 100 short-haul aircraft, and Il-62 and Tu-154 - by the Tu-214 longer-range plane. The military is presently working on this issue," a source in the industry said.

    With the exception of a couple of Tu-154M airliners produced during this decade, all of the above planes are old and will need to be replaced anyways.
    So, the above bit of news is a not really news.

    Any information how many Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62M are in service with Russian MOD for transport purpose ?

    Should give an idea how much needs to be replaced
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:07 am

    If they really need to change out early, before new replacements can be manufactured, there is a glut of all kinds of around 10 year old Western aircraft at crazy low prices they can chose from.

    The Russian military will buy western airliners when they start buying second hand F-16s to make up aircraft numbers...

    BTW according to this news report:

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701201049802433-russia-tu-154-replace/

    There are: Currently, there are 21 Tu-154, 36 Tu-134 and nine Il-62 aircraft in service by the Defense Ministry.

    So that is a few aircraft needing replacement...


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