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    wilhelm
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  wilhelm on Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:08 am

    Copied from Austins post in the Russian economy thread.

    "Aeroflot" is working on contracts for 20 SSJ100 aircraft and 50 ships MS-21
    https://ria.ru/economy/20160929/1478142411.html


    Novo-Ogaryovo, September 29 -. RIA Novosti / Prime "Aeroflot" is working on contracts for the supply of additional 20 aircraft Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ100) and 50 vessels MS-21, the general director Vitaly Savelyev airlines.

    "We are now at the stage of elaboration of the contract for an additional 20 machines Sukhoi Superjet and working on a contract for the machine MC-21, 50 cars," - said Savelyev at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    He noted that the supply of SSJ100 is expected in 2017-2018. "We're going to get 20 cars for 2017 and 2018, and now we are discussing on time," - said the head of Russia's largest air carrier.
    As of July 31, 2016 "Aeroflot" operated 172 aircraft, most of the ships make the Airbus A320, Airbus A330 and the Sukhoi SuperJet 100. Russian regional jets of the new generation Sukhoi SuperJet 100 airline received in June 2011 (in the framework of a solid order 30 Sukhoi SuperJet 100 aircraft).
    Also, the airline "Aeroflot" group of operators will be the first of a new medium-haul passenger airliner MS-21-300.

    Good news.
    I was having a look at the Aeroflot fleet. With the SSJ, the prospective SSJ130, and the MS-21, Russia has the ability, within the next few years, to replace the Airbus and Boeing medium haul fleet they currently operate.
    That would just leave the larger long haul fleet, also Boeing and Airbus airframes that need to be looked at.
    It is within this context, and the disgraceful open threats of unleashing terrorism by the US State Dept, that put restarting a re-engined Il-96 programme, and the follow-on long haul airliner to be co-developed with China, firmly into context.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Project Canada on Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:42 am

    wilhelm wrote:Copied from Austins post in the Russian economy thread.

    "Aeroflot" is working on contracts for 20 SSJ100 aircraft and 50 ships MS-21
    https://ria.ru/economy/20160929/1478142411.html


    Novo-Ogaryovo, September 29 -. RIA Novosti / Prime "Aeroflot" is working on contracts for the supply of additional 20 aircraft Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ100) and 50 vessels MS-21, the general director Vitaly Savelyev airlines.

    "We are now at the stage of elaboration of the contract for an additional 20 machines Sukhoi Superjet and working on a contract for the machine MC-21, 50 cars," - said Savelyev at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    He noted that the supply of SSJ100 is expected in 2017-2018. "We're going to get 20 cars for 2017 and 2018, and now we are discussing on time," - said the head of Russia's largest air carrier.
    As of July 31, 2016 "Aeroflot" operated 172 aircraft, most of the ships make the Airbus A320, Airbus A330 and the Sukhoi SuperJet 100. Russian regional jets of the new generation Sukhoi SuperJet 100 airline received in June 2011 (in the framework of a solid order 30 Sukhoi SuperJet 100 aircraft).
    Also, the airline "Aeroflot" group of operators will be the first of a new medium-haul passenger airliner MS-21-300.

    Good news.
    I was having a look at the Aeroflot fleet. With the SSJ, the prospective SSJ130, and the MS-21, Russia has the ability, within the next few years, to replace the Airbus and Boeing medium haul fleet they currently operate.
    That would just leave the larger long haul fleet, also Boeing and Airbus airframes that need to be looked at.
    It is within this context, and the disgraceful open threats of unleashing terrorism by the US State Dept, that put restarting a re-engined Il-96 programme, and the follow-on long haul airliner to be co-developed with China, firmly into context.

    I was thinking, could the USA and its vassals restrict Russian made passenger planes from their territory by citing safety standard concerns?? Like they could argue Russian built planes does not meet this or that and all other made up BS claims simply to sabotage the Russians

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:15 am

    Project Canada wrote:I was thinking, could the USA and its vassals restrict Russian made passenger planes from their territory by citing safety standard concerns?? Like they could argue Russian built planes does not meet this or that and all other made up BS claims simply to sabotage the Russians
    SSJ is certified by the FAA and EASA, so they would need to revoke the certificate first. Then, many Western (US, Europe) companies are involved in the project, either providing parts or services (like Boeing works with technical support outside Russia), so it may go against their economical interests. The same goes for the MS-21, though in this case the participation of Western suppliers will be smaller and there will be a fully Russian version.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:35 am

    With the kind of sanctions West has imposed on Russia , I still wonder why any Russian Airline is allowed to make a new deal to buy Boeing or Airbus ....instead of SSJ-100 or IL-96 or MS-21.

    They should just impose a blanket ban on any new aircraft deal with west and just allow spares maintenance to existing aircraft and let local manufacture sell the types they make.

    Why should Russia allow Boeing and Airbus make profit at the cost of Russian Tax Payer when the same Tax Payer are suppose to face sanctions from West in different ways beats me.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Rmf on Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:32 pm

    well il-96 is complicated , saw one looong ago and compared to other planes close by it looked kinda short and stubby .
    now , today engines have huuuge bypass air , and large thrust, 1 engine has thrust like 2 older ones from 70s , yet using only 50% more fuel. and they are much more safer , reliable and self-diagnostic...
    so its not looking good for 4 engine planes.

    IL-96's airframe was originally designed to be IL-96-400 style - same capacity as IL-86, 350 passanger, but longer range... Since USSR at that time didn't have its own engine of adequate thrust, they shortened the aircraft ,reduced maximum takeoff weight , resulting in oversized fuselage and wings for the capacity, and killing the economics.

    It's really like A340-200 vs A340-300 - the latter had some success, while the former isn't much more successful than IL-96...
    if Ilyushin at the time had the right engine and went for the original design, the model would have had more chance.

    so now they talk about building IL-96t in passanger version and new high economy engines ,. so who knows.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  wilhelm on Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:47 am

    I pinched this from the Russian Economy thread, posted by GunshipDemocracy.
    It is about time moves toward this was made. Don't turn the tap off completely, as it is always worth having some foreign aircraft around, even if only to use as a comparison or foood for thought. But it really is high time proper support for local producers was given, particularly from state owned companies.
    It is a first step in the right direction at least.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Better late then never. BTW good think is to make joint venture with India for like Su-SJ100 or Il-114 ot make mutually benficialdeal and bigger customer base.

    In Russia, want to limit the purchase of foreign aircraft

    https://rg.ru/2016/10/25/v-rossii-mogut-ogranichit-pokupku-inostrannyh-samoletov.html


    Russian state-owned companies to buy foreign aircraft only in consultation with the Government Commission on import substitution. This bill has prepared Ministry of economic development. The changes would encourage carriers to purchase domestic ships.
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    Changes to the Federal law N 223-FZ, which regulates public procurement. If the share of state participation in the state-owned company exceeds 50 percent, buy foreign aircraft worth over one billion roubles it is possible only by agreement with the Government Commission on import substitution.

    "If the equipment with similar characteristics produced in Russia, the state will block the purchase of foreign aircraft. But if anywhere in the Russian market, the company will receive a single permit under each contract without problems", - says Roman Gusarov, chief editor of the portal Avia.ru.

    Now the bill is in the process of regulatory impact assessment. The document applies not only to aviation and marine equipment.

    "Airline with state participation in the first recall of "Aeroflot", but there are regional airlines", - said Roman Gusarov. In addition, the effect of the bill will apply not only to carriers. Private aircraft often have large state-owned corporations, including mining companies. They use airplanes and helicopters for the delivery of shift workers and other staff to remote locations of the mining, processing and production.

    Planes in Russia buy even banks with state participation, and then transfer them to airlines rent
    The expert notes that it is not always the buyer of the aircraft serves the airline. "Our state-owned banks acquired in the time planes, passing them to subsequent airlines in leasing," he says. Roman Gusarov says that the airlines use, but not always aware of the planes.

    In this case, through the harmonization will have to go to both parties - the lessor and lessee. Since the restriction applies not only to buy aircraft but also of services, including rental and leasing of aircraft.


    The amendments do not have such a decisive role, what they are given, says Roman Gusarov. The Board of Directors of state companies there are always representatives of the state. And without regard to state interests, decisions in such companies are not accepted. But the document prescribes common rules for how companies must do when buying foreign technology.

    By the way, incentives are and the rules on granting subsidies for air transport, which are provided to the operating Russian aircraft companies.

    Price bracket a billion rubles are not high for the aviation market. "Under this rule includes all mainline planes except for that small, used on regional transportation," says Gusarov.

    At the same time, today the Russian aviation industry can not fully meet the interests of the airlines. From new models launched in the series, a serious competition to foreign aircraft could be Sukhoi Superjet 100.

    37 fields - so many foreign flights until March 25, 2017 Federal air transport Agency has extended the airline "Aeroflot" and "Russia" the validity of the certificates. The decree posted on the website of the Federal air transport Agency
    "The second main plane MS-21. It can be in Russia is very popular, but it only developed", - says Roman Gusarov. For mass production you can count only 4-5 years. It is also planned to revive the production of Il-96-300, but again it is only a plan.

    But the Institute of procurement will allow state-owned companies not be left without an aircraft. "Applying for the purchase of foreign aircraft, the airline can point to the absence of the Russian analogues and count on the positive decision", - says Roman Gusarov.

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    Russia & China reveal their alternative to Airbus & Boeing

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:41 pm

    https://www.rt.com/business/365106-russia-china-joint-jet/

    Did anyone figure out why its reported that Russia does the development of the new widebody.
    but that it would be assembled in China?

    I think I read something that said it was just "final assembling together" in China. With lots eg wings, built in Russia.

    U wonder if Russia will make the engines, or if they will be co-developed? Russia, not surprisingly tends to be very guarded about her engine tech.

    Also I wonder if Russia will home build her own version of the new widebody.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:12 pm


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:25 am

    Firebird wrote:https://www.rt.com/business/365106-russia-china-joint-jet/

    Did anyone figure out why its reported that Russia does the development of the new widebody.
    but that it would be assembled in China?

    I think I read something that said it was just "final assembling together" in China. With lots eg wings, built in Russia.

    U wonder if Russia will make the engines, or if they will be co-developed? Russia, not surprisingly tends to be very guarded about her engine tech.

    Also I wonder if Russia will home build her own version of the new widebody.

    Why not ? China is the factory of the world, she has copious workers and abundant facilities for the jobs.

    But I am sure that the titanium framework, the most valuable part of the aircraft, must be developed and produced by Russia. As she has been doing with Airbus and Boeing.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:37 pm

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:41 pm

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:19 am

    15 November, 2016 BY: Stephen Trimble Washington DC

    Russian aircraft manufacturer Irkut has activated the electrical system on the MC-21 narrowbody as the flight test aircraft moves closer to a scheduled first flight in February or March.

    The power-on milestone was disclosed in a transcript released by the Kremlin of a conversation between prime minister Vladimir Putin and deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin on 11 November.

    Irkut had maintained that first flight would occur by the end of 2016, but Russian president Dmitry Medvedev let it slip during the June roll-out of the MC-21 that flight testing would begin in early 2017.

    In the 11 November meeting, Rogozin told Putin that the first flight date is scheduled in February, but weather in Irkutsk, Siberia, could push the milestone to March.

    Irkut’s next task is to check the electrical system for electromagnetic interference problems. A software load required to begin moving ground tests will be loaded in December, Rogozin says. Safety of flight software will then be loaded in January or February.

    Meanwhile, a structural test aircraft will undergo loads testing at the Central Aerohydrodynamics Insititue (TsAGI) in Moscow, he says.

    Two more flight test aircraft will join the programme. The second aircraft, which, like the first test article, will be powered by Pratt & Whitney PW1400G geared turbofans, will enter final assembly in Irkutsk in December, Rogozin says. A fourth aircraft will join the programme later, but will be powered with Aviadvigatel PD-14 turbofan engines, Rogozin says.

    The mention of Russia’s indigenous competitor to the US-built PW1400G drew a response from Putin, according to the transcript.

    “Very good,” Putin said.

    Rogozin also updated Putin on efforts to launch a governmental Aviation Board, which would be charged with making Russian airlines compliant with new import substitution laws. The Russian government’s policy dictates that airlines replace Western-built aircraft with Russian-made alternatives as they become available, to include the MC-21 narrowbody, Ilyushin Il-114 regional turboprop and an upgraded Il-96 widebody.


    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/irkut-activates-mc-21-electrical-system-431509/

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