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    2 French military jets crash during exercise

    Post  Jelena on Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:02 am

    2 French military jets crash during exercise


    (AP) – 1 day ago
    PARIS — Officials say two French military fighter jets have crashed into the Mediterranean Sea during a training mission and that one pilot is missing.

    The French Defense Ministry says that one pilot was pulled from the water, but that helicopters and patrol planes are searching for the second pilot.

    No other information about the accident at 6 p.m. (1600 GMT) Thursday is immediately available.

    The Rafale jets took off from the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier and crashed into the sea east of the French city of Perpignan.

    Rafale jets, made by France's Dassault Aviation, have never had a foreign buyer, but they are being considered for a deal with Brazil.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hDiUZmx19lEgKB0s1RgYzpm-G42AD9ATSE802


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    Bastille Day Air Parade

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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:29 pm

    Awesomeness!! It was a beautiful parade.I wish i was there :/


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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:39 am

    Here is the one off TV.

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    French Air Force recieves 1000th MICA missile

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:16 pm

    French Air Force recieves 1000th MICA missile
    19/11/2010

    The Directorate General of Armaments (DGA) delivered on 25 October 2010, accepting the thousandth MICA (missile interception, combat and self-defense), air-air missile that equips the Rafale. This is a thousandth MICA missile for the Air Force.

    MICA was commissioned by the DGA in 1110 copies. French forces will have this entire park in 2012.

    This air-air missile allows both fighting vigilante short distance and interception beyond the sight. Modular design, it comes in two versions depending on the homing installed, electromagnetic (EM) for self-defense any time or infrared (IR) for discreet an interception. With a highly maneuverable, MICA can be fired on targets located behind the plane through target designation transmitted by link 16 from another plane.

    MICA weapon the Mirage 2000-5 of the Air Force and the Rafale Air Force and Navy.

    http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/actus-air/le-1000e-missile-mica-pour-la-dga
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  Viktor on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:08 am

    How many R-77 has being delivered?
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:05 am

    Not many. We only have a couple regiments that can fire the missile, and they were only delivered in the last year (Su-27SM/30). An order for more was placed at MAKS-2009, but it is a small order. France with their 1000 MICA dwarfs us in modern BVRAAMs.
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    World's Smartest Bomb

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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  KRON1 on Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:28 pm

    That AASM is better than the JDAM.
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  IronsightSniper on Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:46 pm

    As far as I know, it's basically a: GPS/INS/IR/SALH guided bomb is that right?

    Asides from that, it only achieves that 1 meter CEP rating with SALH and IR homing technique. Those techniques are only useful if the weather is good. GPS/INS is good all day/all weather, it's CEP with that technique is 10 m, compared to the JDAM's < 10m - 11 m CEP.

    So yeah, I'd say that AASM is better than the JDAM.
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:30 pm

    There are several different seekers for the AASM. The French ordered half GPS and GPS/IR versions. Then there is a GPS/IR/Laser. The other thing that sets it apart from JDAM is its booster kit. JDAM gets about 24km on a glide path while AASM and its booster has been dropped over 60km away. It can also drop down to 1000ft and take targets out at 15km. It is one hell of a weapon.


    Asides from that, it only achieves that 1 meter CEP rating with SALH and IR homing technique. Those techniques are only useful if the weather is good. GPS/INS is good all day/all weather, it's CEP with that technique is 10 m, compared to the JDAM's < 10m - 11 m CEP.

    The GPS has a CEP same as the JDAM, 10m. The GPS/IR gets a 1m CEP. The GPS/IR/Laser is 1m as well. IR is good in any weather. That is why it is "all weather" vision device. The laser is for high ECM levels where GPS is not available. It is also the first top-attack laser guided bomb.
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  nightcrawler on Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:35 pm

    Where does this stand?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE/HOSBO

    One feature missing in other equivalents is its high manoeuvrability
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  IronsightSniper on Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:46 am

    I'd guess if you were dropping bombs on a moving target that the high maneuverability would be crucial, but other than that, it's range is probably it's best advantage, as even being just a glide bomb like the JDAM, it achieves an extra 100 km range compared to the JDAM. Accuracy wise, it uses the same GPS/INS/IR system as on the AASM, but unlike the AASM, it doesn't use SALH. So, it's accuracy is probably about 10 meters CEP, more or less, which is the same with the JDAM's and the same as the GPS/INS variant of the AASM. But again, it's biggest advantage is Range/Maneuverability.
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:38 pm

    nightcrawler wrote:Where does this stand?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE/HOSBO

    One feature missing in other equivalents is its high manoeuvrability

    As it stands now it is just a GPS/INS glide bomb in the demonstrator phase. I haven't heard anything about since its first test in 2008. I checked Diehl's website, it isn't even mentioned in the press releases much less product line or R&D.


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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  KRON1 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:37 am

    nightcrawler wrote:Where does this stand?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE/HOSBO

    One feature missing in other equivalents is its high manoeuvrability

    Doesn't look very high maneuverability. Looks like a simple big ass glide bomb wing kit. How do you get 99 miles with unpowered flight? It isn't going to be riding any jet streams. The glide ratio on it will be shit. The JDAM ER will only get 35 miles on the same setup. The impossibility of meeting its claims sounds like agood enough reason why it was delayed, if not canceled for all we know.
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:06 am



    Problems

    The Rafale is an almost unparallelled achievement for a single nation, as equivalent fighter programmes have been undertaken by much larger companies or collaboratively by several nations. As an aircraft to meet French requirements (combining a robust carrier capability and good air-to-ground potential) Rafale could not be bettered, while the programme's unilateral nature afforded great focus, and protected it from many of the political factors which have so dogged the rival Eurofighter. Any problems (and those listed here are disputed) should be viewed in this light.

    There have, however, been increasingly critical comments about Rafale from members of the National Assembly's Finance and Defence Commissions, and there have been reports of disagreements between Dassault and DGA about cost increases and obsolescence. According to Defence Analysis (p.17, Vol 8.No.12 December 2005) Dassault have called the RBE2 radar 'fatally flawed' alleging that its range was "inadequate" and averring that the Rafale therefore relied on AWACS support to overcome this. The DGA also described Rafale's OSF ("Optronique Secteur Frontal") as "obsolescent" and production has been cut back to just 48 units, rather than the planned number, which was to have been sufficient to equip all F1 and F2 versions.

    While UK and German newspapers have been energetic in their criticism of Typhoon, Rafale has enjoyed a much gentler ride, and many of Rafale's problems (which have been similar in nature, scope and extent to those suffered by the rival Eurofighter) have seldom emerged until long after they were solved, or remain unsubstantiated rumour, though there have been exceptions. According to Defense News, Air Force Gen. Eric Rouzaud revealed that early deliveries of the Rafale were prone to a software glitch that cut out part of the flight system, requiring the pilot to hit the reset button. The fault has been fixed, Rouzaud said.

    There were reports that problems with the "Central Processor" led to only three of five Rafales being delivered during 2004, and suggestions that the same problem led to a shortfall of deliveries (against the planned schedule) in 2005.

    There was a two year delay in signing the production contract for the 59 F2 standard Rafales, and the order due to be placed in 2006 has dropped from 82 aircraft (65 AdlA, 17 Aéronavale) to just 66 (48 AdlA, 18 Aéronavale) (according to the Vincon Senate report). The Pintat report indicated that this reduced order has also been slipped to 2007.

    Still subject to delays, the Rafale (once progressing well ahead of the rival Eurofighter) has still not entered full operational service with the Armée de l'Air, and less than a dozen are in use with the French Air Force for trials, evaluation and conversion training with EC330. Though the aircraft entered operational service with the Aéronavale in 2004 Flotille 12 still has only 9 Rafales (less than a full Flotille) and is currently limited to Air-to-Air combat (F1 software/hardware standard). There are concerns that operational loads (especially in the long range air to surface role) will be limited by the present engine's relatively modest thrust.

    A "Post F3" configuration is now being discussed, this will be fitted with an active array radar, which is necessary to fully exploit the MBDA Meteor.

    More controversially, some sources (including Francis Tusa's industry newsletter, Defence Analysis) maintain that the aircraft compares unfavourably with Eurofighter's Typhoon in the air to air role, though this is vigorously denied in other quarters. Though it uses a modern and extremely efficient canard Delta configuration, Rafale has been accused of being hampered by an old fashioned and 'cumbersome' Man Machine Interface, and it has been further suggested that this was the main reason behind the type's rejection by South Korea and Singapore.

    According to Defence Analysis and Flight Daily News, the Singapore evaluation also reportedly revealed problems with Rafale's reliability and availability, and that the aircraft failed to demonstrate claimed radar performance or its claimed ability to supercruise. Singapore was also reportedly unimpressed by Rafale's much vaunted "Omni role" capability. "Show us, properly" was said to have been the reaction, according to Defence Analysis. The lack of official comment by Singapore leads many to dismiss such criticism as unreliable hearsay, however.

    If criticism of under-powered engines and the passive electron-scan radar (which Defence Analysis say is viewed by many as a technological dead end) is to be overcome, Dassault badly need to fund the advanced F3 variant, but this is unlikely to happen quickly without an export customer (according to Aviation Week and Space Technology). A fully-developed F3 would, however, seem much more likely to gain export success. In January 2005 it was announced that eight aircraft would be cut from French orders specifically to free up funding for advanced radar development, while Meteor integration is also being accelerated.

    Whatever Rafale's supposed "weaknesses" it must be acknowledged that the type has been quietly gathering real operational experience in the air-to-air role since the first Rafale Ms were delivered to the Aéronavale, and this alone is a significant advantage, giving the type great credibility. Moreover, while development of some competing aircraft has often been delayed because manufacturers have been unwilling to press ahead "at risk" the relationship between Dassault and the French government and military has allowed the development programme to press ahead at a ferocious pace.

    http://www.electronicaviation.com/aircraft/Dassault_Rafale/819
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:15 am

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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  nightcrawler on Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:13 am

    are these over Libya
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:36 am

    I rather doubt it... not many F-18s that the Rafales would want to shoot down over Libya... Smile

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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:30 am

    Rafale is powerful with 3 or one bombs in middle then 1+1 missile at flanks.

    I like Rafale more than all MiG and Mirage-2000.

    I likers of Eurofighter. Thinking Sweden needs 40 in soon future.

    Have France Eurofighter in defence or is Mirage-2000 and Rafale?
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:34 pm

    Battalion0415 wrote:Rafale is powerful with 3 or one bombs in middle then 1+1 missile at flanks.

    I like Rafale more than all MiG and Mirage-2000.

    I likers of Eurofighter. Thinking Sweden needs 40 in soon future.

    Have France Eurofighter in defence or is Mirage-2000 and Rafale?

    No they havent. They have their old Mirage-2000 and their new own one Rafale as you said
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    Re: French Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:29 pm

    Only 40% of French Military Aircraft Deemed Operational Shocked Razz


    More than half of French military aircraft, including fighter jets and transport planes, are incapable of fulfilling their missions due to their poor technical state, French media reported, citing data obtained from the Ministry of Defense through a parliamentary inquiry.

    Only 40 percent of the planes used by the French Armed Forces can be operated on an ongoing basis, Liberation newspaper said citing a Ministry of Defense reply to a member of French parliament. Some of the military aircraft were bought over half a century ago when Charles de Gaulle was president.

    The French Air Force operates more than 225 combat aircraft, including some 130 Dassault Mirage fighters and less than a hundred Dassault Rafales jet fighters.

    More than half of the Rafale jet fighters in service cannot get off the ground on alert. The situation with the French multirole Mirage jet fighters is just as bleak.

    Between 38 and 41 percent of Mirage jet fighters are operational, according to 20minutes.fr. The French Armed Forces declined to comment on the technical state of those aircraft, which can conduct nuclear strikes.

    The French military air fleet seems to be in crisis and it is not alone. Last year reports emerged that almost half of German military aircraft were not fit for deployment.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150621/1023649779.html
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    Post  nemrod on Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:13 pm

    max steel wrote:    Only 40% of French Military Aircraft Deemed Operational   Shocked Razz

    Between 38 and 41 percent of Mirage jet fighters are operational, according to 20minutes.fr. The French Armed Forces declined to comment on the technical state of those aircraft, which can conduct nuclear strikes.

    The French military air fleet seems to be in crisis and it is not alone. Last year reports emerged that almost half of German military aircraft were not fit for deployment.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150621/1023649779.html

    There are nothing surprising, moreover, this figures are overestimated, especially concerning the Rafale
    http://www.liberation.fr/economie/2015/06/19/armee-de-l-air-la-flotte-francaise-en-partie-clouee-au-sol_1333006
    They claimed that just only 44 rafales are able to fly, it is another lie, the information is classified. The number should be between 30-40, because of the cost, the complexity. Notice that for the indian Su-33, the availability is around 40%. The world wide is trapped by the complexity of the new fighters generation. More they are sophisticated, more they are expensive, less they are available. In this view, is it a good thing to develop fighter like SU-PAK FA, F-22, F-35, Typhoon ?

    It is noteworthy to compare with the stupid figures provided by US air Force, when they claimed that 70% of their 180 F-22 are available. It is completely laughable, and stupid. If 20% fleet of the F-22 is able to fly, it is an exploit.

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