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    Viktor

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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:58 pm

    BUK-M2 near Mezzeh airbase

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    Nice article about Syria air defense

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:37 am

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    Syrian Air Defense Force

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 06, 2014 3:50 am

    Nice article among many others lately about the issue
    S-300: NATO’s nightmare and perhaps Russia’s too

    The article ignores one important aspect... SAMs and tactics are not set in stone and need to change and adapt over time to meet new issues.

    Having Russian personel manning the Syrian S-300s means also useful feedback on Israeli tactics and methods can be incorporated faster and some tricks can be tested to see if they will work or not.

    It will be a polygon... a testing ground and the results will just make future Russian SAMs better...


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    Question about syrian S-300

    Post  nemrod on Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:21 pm

    Could the radar of syrian SA-10 detect the US stealth fighter F-22 ?

    I have no doubts that the russian SA-10 and SA-20 's radar could easily detect all US figthers, including F-22, B2 and the could engage them, if not destroy them. Nevetheless, unfortunetly for Syria, the russian SA-10 export might not be optimize to destroy the US stelth fighters.
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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:31 am

    A S-300 battery is part of a system.

    As a unit on its own it does not come with the long wave radars needed to detect and track the F-22 at long range.

    This is not to say a long wave radar with that capability could not be set up and plugged in to an old S-300 system to provide the data necessary to engage small stealth aircraft and weapons.


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    Question about syrian S-300

    Post  nemrod on Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:A S-300 battery is part of a system.

    As a unit on its own it does not come with the long wave radars needed to detect and track the F-22 at long range.

    This is not to say a long wave radar with that capability could not be set up and plugged in to an old S-300 system to provide the data necessary to engage small stealth aircraft and weapons.

    Thx for your answer.

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    Could someone explain ?

    Post  Ramos 2 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:56 am

    Israel airforce flies without any problem in Syrian's airspace . The Syrian air defence force : (Wikipedia)

    25 teams defense (130 batteries) Including:

    Self-propelled
    62 batteries:
    11 teams - 27 batteries - SA-6 Gainful (PU SAM 2K12 Square);
    14 Battery - SA-8 Gecko (PU SAM 9K33 Osa);
    12 Battery - SA-22 Greyhound (96K6 Pantsyr S1E);
    9 Battery - Buk-M2
    Towed
    11 teams - 60 batteries with SA-2 Guideline (CP-75 Dvina / S-75M Volga) and SA-3 Goa (S-125 Neva / S-125M Pechora) (Being upgraded);
    Two SAM regiment with SA-5 Gammon(in each brigade to 2 divisions for 2 batteries each).
    Four SAM battalion
    Eight Static/Shelter SAM batteries

    Two independent SAM Regiment
    Four SAM batteries with SA-8
    Four SAM batteries with SA-10

    These weapons don't seem to be very effective ! Could someone explain ?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:07 am

    Ramos 2 wrote:Israel airforce flies without any problem in Syrian's airspace . The Syrian air defence force : (Wikipedia)

    25 teams defense (130 batteries) Including:

       Self-propelled
           62 batteries:
               11 teams - 27 batteries - SA-6 Gainful (PU SAM 2K12 Square);
               14 Battery - SA-8 Gecko (PU SAM 9K33 Osa);
               12 Battery - SA-22 Greyhound (96K6 Pantsyr S1E);
               9 Battery - Buk-M2
       Towed
           11 teams - 60 batteries with SA-2 Guideline (CP-75 Dvina / S-75M Volga) and SA-3 Goa (S-125 Neva / S-125M Pechora) (Being upgraded);
       Two SAM regiment with SA-5 Gammon(in each brigade to 2 divisions for 2 batteries each).
           Four SAM battalion
               Eight Static/Shelter SAM batteries

       Two independent SAM Regiment
           Four SAM batteries with SA-8
           Four SAM batteries with SA-10

    These weapons don't seem to be very effective ! Could someone explain ?

    Nothing to do with them being efficient. Has to do with the whole GBAD being in sorry state and Syria being in a civil war. The ones that get a chance work good enough (Turkish planes shot down, Israeli PGM's).
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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  coolieno99 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:15 am

    Ramos 2 wrote:Israel airforce flies without any problem in Syrian's airspace .
    ..............................
    These weapons don't seem to be very effective ! Could someone explain ?

    The Arab missile crews were poorly trained and poorly led. Modern weapon systems still need a competent crew to operate it in a effective manner.

    Here's a Serbian crew showing the proper method to launched a SA-6 .

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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:02 pm

    No Cakewalk: Western Coalition in Syria Afraid of Russian SAM Systems

    US aircraft ceased all flights in Syria’s northern regions fearing the recently-deployed Russian Buk anti-aircraft missile systems (designated by the US Department of Defense as SA-17), according to Bloomberg.

    US military officials cited by the news agency claim that Russian air defense systems in Syria serve as another example of how Moscow and Damascus "seek to complicate the global counter-Daesh coalition’s air campaign."

    "The Russians are trying to create zones where they would have to give permission for US flights," said Matthew McInnis, a former Iran analyst for US Central Command, according to Bloomberg. "The Russians are increasingly defining the military landscape by their actions."

    At the present time, the US administration seems to be acquiescing to what they perceive as Russia’s attempts to keep US aircraft grounded, and "agree to their rules of the game," the news agency claims.

    "The success of any US-led effort to bring Assad to the negotiating table will depend on squeezing the Syrian regime. Yet at this crucial moment, the US is not only decreasing pressure, but acquiescing to Russian pressure," Bloomberg laments.

    Russia launched its airborne campaign against the Daesh forces in Syria on September 30 at the behest of President Bashar Assad. Following the downing of Russian Su-24 warplane in Syrian airspace by Turkish forces, Moscow has dramatically increased its anti-aircraft capabilities in the region to ensure safety of its forces.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151219/1032026007/syria-russia-air-defense.html#ixzz3urjZ2Wvz


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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E on Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:58 pm

    Ramos 2 wrote:Israel airforce flies without any problem in Syrian's airspace . The Syrian air defence force : (Wikipedia)

    25 teams defense (130 batteries) Including:

       Self-propelled
           62 batteries:
               11 teams - 27 batteries - SA-6 Gainful (PU SAM 2K12 Square);
               14 Battery - SA-8 Gecko (PU SAM 9K33 Osa);
               12 Battery - SA-22 Greyhound (96K6 Pantsyr S1E);
               9 Battery - Buk-M2
       Towed
           11 teams - 60 batteries with SA-2 Guideline (CP-75 Dvina / S-75M Volga) and SA-3 Goa (S-125 Neva / S-125M Pechora) (Being upgraded);
       Two SAM regiment with SA-5 Gammon(in each brigade to 2 divisions for 2 batteries each).
           Four SAM battalion
               Eight Static/Shelter SAM batteries

       Two independent SAM Regiment
           Four SAM batteries with SA-8
           Four SAM batteries with SA-10

    These weapons don't seem to be very effective ! Could someone explain ?
    All attacks of the IDF be started either on the Golan or Lebanon by F-16i with Spice. The IDF does not fly to Syria hinnein (SA-15 / SA 22). The Killzone is so about 60 up to 80 km (Damaskus) from the border.

    Other:
    Syria should get sponsored by China, Iran and Russia 240 (per year 2x11 2x1 UB) FC-1 Block II fighter planes with 9 ZDK-03 (Y-8 Awacs ) for a 3x8h / 365 days airspace patrol. These 40 additional Y-8 transport and aerial refueling.

    This enables a fast response to the IDF and others as well as optimum air reconnaissance. Not to be underestimated is also the number of flight hours that are achieved with the low FC-1 / Y-8 in a 24/365 (with FC-1 6x4h and air refueling )day mode. This includes approximately 150 hours per year for the FC-1 pilots what is particular important to look at in terms of training and skills against the IDF.

    As a training and ground attack aircraft Russia should provide a total of 240 Yak-130 Syria ready. These aircraft are very low per flight hour and to act well suited to the ground effectively.
    Possibly still supplement with 48 Su-25M3 later.


    All other aircraft should Syria, including Su-24 and Mig-29, scrapping. Although the MiG-29 or later 24 Mig-35 than would be well rounded Syria should konzentireren few cheap but effective modern aircraft. Important Only the SAM network is to make much denser.

    The investment cost will be around 1.6 billion US dollars per year for a program over 20 years inclusive armament and training. The maintenance is about once 500 to 800 million US Dolllar.

    Especially the people militias should get more SA-22nd More 40-60 systems would be here as much sense as more TorM2U and BukM3 and SA-20 / S-300PMU2 from Russian army surplus (see Iran 2016).


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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  max steel on Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:01 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

    What a name! Add few more Russian weapons in there Laughing
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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:11 pm

    Shouldn't have used the Export suffix.
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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  Airman on Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:08 am

    Ramos 2 wrote:Israel airforce flies without any problem in Syrian's airspace .
    Because Israeli Air Force is using electronic warfare aircrafts and ECM pods against Enemy Air Defense. They are realy good about Electronic Warfare. They usually uses G550. This G550's modified for Electronic Warfare.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

    Like this. Israel Air Force bombed nuclear site in Deir ez-Zor. After They bombed radar site in Tall al-Abuad. This town near the Turkey border and They jettisoned fuel tanks over the Hatay and Gaziantep provinces in Turkey and They returned to Israel.

    and Air defense systems in Syria didnt do anything against it...


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    Israel attacks syrian capital, not seen s 400 is not firing,

    Post  moskit on Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:25 am

    https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.rt.com/document/584807bec361888d318b4609/amp?client=safari. Why dont the russians fire S 400,? Still no change in the rules of engagement? When will we see the s300 and s 400 in action in actual combat russia
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    Re: Syrian Air Defence Force

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:12 pm

    Israeli Air Force strikes at S-200 surface-to-air missile system position in Syria

    According to the official press-attaché of the IDF, today (10/16/17) at about 10 am the Air Force aircraft attacked the battery of the S-200 long-range SAM (SA-5 Gammon), located in the Radwan area, 50 kilometers east of Damascus. Earlier, this air defense system fired Israeli F-16 aircraft, which carried out a photo-reconnaissance mission over the territory of Lebanon. He also fired on Israeli aircraft in September and March this year. And although in all cases the fire of the SAM was ineffective, the aircraft returned to their bases without damage, this time it was decided to destroy the SAM.



    Within the framework of the attack on the S-200, 4 air bombs (apparently controlled with a long range of flight) were dropped, the SAM "was put out of order". Israel sees in the Syrian army (SAA) responsible for any fire on Israeli targets from the territory of Syria, but in the case of the S-200 there is no doubt that the fire was conducted by the air defense forces of the SAA. According to the Syrian data, the launch of the rocket on Israeli planes was at 08:51, the attack of the S-200 at 11:38. The 2 nd and 10 th channels of the ITV report that the Russian military were notified of the Israeli attack "in real time". By the way, today the Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu is arriving in Israel on a two-day visit.

    The S-200 arrived in Syria in 1983 with Soviet personnel, transferred to the Syrian Armed Forces in 1984. Syria has an S-200VE S-200VE air defense system "Vega-E" (maximum range of 240 km), photos can be seen on the blog "The Cave of the Evil One Bukvoyoda. " Estimates of the number of S-200s in Syria before 2011 were in 8 SAMs and 48 PUs (6 PUs per SAM). According to other sources, until the early 90's. Syria received 8 SAMs (4 each in 1984 and 1988), 4 technical divisions for their maintenance, 144 B-880E missiles plus 20 training missiles. Apparently, part of Syrian S-200s were damaged or destroyed during the civil war, however, new supplies from Russia or Iran are not excluded.

    One more remark. Some sites (for example, israeldefense) say that the battery was "destroyed" or "bombed". I note that each S-200 division has 6 PU 5P72, a K-2B booth, a K-3B preparation cockpit, a K21B distribution booth, a 5E67 diesel power plant, 12 5U24 automatic loading machines with rockets and an antenna post K-1V with radar of the target illumination 5Н62В. In addition, additional radars, such as P-14, P-15, P-35 or P-37, are used for the early detection of targets. The anti-aircraft missile regiment usually consists of 3-4 divisions and one technical battalion, in the case of Syria, there are apparently anti-aircraft missile brigades with two fire and one technical divisions in each. Thus, to destroy even only one fire division is not easy enough. Nevertheless, for its disabling it is enough to hit the radar of the target illumination 5Н62В. According to the site walla, this particular radar was struck. By the way, the website of the IDF says that the SAM was "attacked" and "put out of order".

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2898251.html


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