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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:50 pm

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:55 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1011233.html


    This comes from where? Ukraine has lost upwards 400 tanks (destroyed or captured) from June 2014 to July 2015.




    I just posted the graph that I found on blog that I gloss over from time to time looking for pics. I do not claim info is accurate. I don't even speak the language...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:01 pm

    Banned cluster bombs used against civilians in Donbas.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/banned-cluster-bombs-syria-ukraine-yemen-sudan-libya

    From now on I will cheer the death of every Ukrainian soldier. Don't tell me they didn't know what they were doing or they had no choice. Everyone has a choice. Most Ukrainians drafted to Donbas do not come to serve. Those who do come only intend to kill civilians.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:05 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1011233.html


    This comes from where? Ukraine has lost upwards 400 tanks (destroyed or captured) from June 2014 to July 2015.




    I just posted the graph that I found on blog that I gloss over from time to time looking for pics. I do not claim info is accurate.  I don't even speak the language...

    I never shoot the messenger, bre. It's just that it looks like an "official" poster. If that's official, well Ukraine is in its own parallel universe and thinks people can't count. If on the contrary this is true (very unlikeley) then FFS NAF/Russian troopers have annihilated the whole damn tank force and plastered the ATO in about ten days. This means also there's far more damage than 2.5 thousand dead, Ukraine acknowledges.

    franco: My bad buddy, just went on hyper drive.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:11 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Banned cluster bombs used against civilians in Donbas.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/banned-cluster-bombs-syria-ukraine-yemen-sudan-libya

    From now on I will cheer the death of every Ukrainian soldier. Don't tell me they didn't know what they were doing or they had no choice. Everyone has a choice. Most Ukrainians drafted to Donbas do not come to serve. Those who do come only intend to kill civilians.

    Ukraine has not signed or ratified the Convention on Submunitions (CCM), neither has Syria, nor Russia, nor the US. It's the use against civilians that constitutes a crime, not actually the conventional ordnance.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:21 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Ukraine has not signed or ratified the Convention on Submunitions (CCM), neither has Syria, nor Russia, nor the US. It's the use against civilians that constitutes a crime, not actually the conventional ordnance.

    There isn't a single day Ukrainian soldiers do not bomb civilians. Not a single day. Going on 2 years now.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:42 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Ukraine has not signed or ratified the Convention on Submunitions (CCM), neither has Syria, nor Russia, nor the US. It's the use against civilians that constitutes a crime, not actually the conventional ordnance.

    There isn't a single day Ukrainian soldiers do not bomb civilians. Not a single day. Going on 2 years now.

    Yes doesn't change the fact that the actual ordnance isn't "banned", nor that they're assholes.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:22 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Poliovirus has returned to Europe after a five year reprieve, paralyzing a 4-year-old and 10-month-old in the Ukraine, the World Health Organization said Wednesday.

    The WHO said the two cases were in the southwestern part of the country -- bordering Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland -- and that the strain responsible, vaccine-derived poliovirus type 1 or cVDPV1, may still be a threat to the region.

    cVDPV is a rare, mutated form of the virus that comes from the vaccine itself. Oral polio vaccines contain a weakened form of the virus that activates an immune response in the body so that it builds up antibodies to protect itself. But it takes some time for this to happen, and meanwhile the virus replicates in the intestines and can be excreted by the person immunized and can spread to others in the community.

    This isn't always a bad thing. It can sometimes provide what is called passive immunity to those who come into contact with it.

    However, in populations that are under-immunized -- the Ukraine is definitely one of those with only 50 percent of children fully immunized against polio and other vaccine-preventable diseases in 2014 -- the vaccine-virus can circulate for long time, 12 months or longer, and genetically change into a more virulent form that can paralyze. This is what WHO believes happened in the Ukraine.

    In a statement, WHO officials said that discussions are "ongoing" with Ukranian health authorities to implement "an urgent outbreak response." This type of plan usually involves a vaccination campaign to cover at least 2 million children under age 5.

    "The risk of further spread of this strain within the country is deemed to be high," the WHO said.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/09/02/outbreak-of-rare-mutated-poliovirus-in-ukraine-leaves-two-children-paralyzed/

    This could be serious.


    The WHO said the two cases were in the southwestern part of the country -- bordering Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland -- and that the strain responsible, vaccine-derived poliovirus type 1 or cVDPV1, may still be a threat to the region. wrote:

    That will shut the door to Ukrainians going to any of those countries.

    It may turn out to be a good thing that Kiev government has cut off traffic between Kiev controlled areas and rebel controlled areas, as much as it has.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:25 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:

    Turf wars between different former Oligarch private armies???
    Essentially wannabe mafiosi. They were fighting over who had the right to build on a plot of land in Odessa. Previously one group of maidanuts had started construction, then another group attacked the building site and tore down what was under construction, then yesterday three groups of maidanuts, one local and two from Kiev, all fought for possesion of the site. The man behind the faction attempting to build on the site is Rada deputy Sergei Kivalov, the other two factions are under former deputy Sergei Gordienko and maidanut activist Evgeniy Resvushkin.

    Ahhh, thank you, Khepesh.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:34 pm

    Google translate

    Thick smoke and the smell of burning increased to Thursday morning. Previously reported large forest fires between Brovary and Zazimya, which resulted in a probability distribution of products of burning fire. Smoke in Kiev because of a forest fire Facebook Andrei Ignatchyk KIEV, September 3 - RIA Novosti Ukraine. On Thursday night Kiev covered with thick smoke. Smoke and the smell of burning is present in the south-western suburb of the capital, Goloseyevsky area Obolon, on Borshchagovka, in the area of ​​Victory Square and other districts. Smokescreen in Kiev. Video Channel on Youtube StreetVideo VIDEO. Smokescreen over Kiev the morning of September 3 burning smell intensified. On the eve of the Kiev authorities advised residents of the city to close the window and limit the time children spend on the street in connection with a major forest fire near Kiev. "Management of Emergency Situations of the Kiev City State Administration warns that due to the burning of the forest between Brovary and Zazimya emerged probability distribution of products of burning fire in the Kiev region, some areas of the city of Kiev", - reported on the website of the KSCA. Thus, management experts recommend closing the window to ventilate the room in the evening and at night, to reduce walking children, and, if necessary, use a moist dressings for respiratory protection. In the case of ill health should immediately contact the medical institution.
    RIA Novosti Ukraine:

    http://rian.com.ua/kiev/20150903/373097923.html



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:37 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Ukraine has not signed or ratified the Convention on Submunitions (CCM), neither has Syria, nor Russia, nor the US. It's the use against civilians that constitutes a crime, not actually the conventional ordnance.

    There isn't a single day Ukrainian soldiers do not bomb civilians. Not a single day. Going on 2 years now.
    Semantics but I doubt that there is more than a couple of days in the past year that the Ukrainians have bombed civilians. They might shell or rocket them most days but not bomb them. Bombs come from aircraft.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  franco on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:47 pm

    Just another bizarre side-note to the insanity that is Country 404;
    http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=615970

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Semantics but I doubt that there is more than a couple of days in the past year that the Ukrainians have bombed civilians. They might shell or rocket them most days but not bomb them. Bombs come from aircraft.

    Ever heard of mortar bombs? Cool


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:51 pm

    I noticed that there have been a lot of coverage in western media for the drowned Syrian refugee boy in Turkey, but not a single news about the dozens of children murdered by Ukrops in Novorossiya..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:54 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Semantics but I doubt that there is more than a couple of days in the past year that the Ukrainians have bombed civilians. They might shell or rocket them most days but not bomb them. Bombs come from aircraft.

    Ever heard of mortar bombs? Cool
    Has to leave you a response Smile

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:56 pm

    Project Canada wrote:I noticed that there have been a lot of coverage in western media for the drowned Syrian refugee boy in Turkey, but not a single news about the dozens of children murdered by Ukrops in Novorossiya..
    Mainly one suspects due to some excellent photo journalism plus just what the editors wanted.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Teshub on Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:24 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Ever heard of mortar bombs? Cool
    Yes, from military illiterates who don't know that they are supposed to be called mortar shells, or mortar rounds...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:56 pm

    Teshub wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Ever heard of mortar bombs? Cool
    Yes, from military illiterates who don't know that they are supposed to be called mortar shells, or mortar rounds...

    A bomb is something that explodes, regardless of dropped from a plane or a helicopter or from the sky.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bomb

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:11 pm


    US drone radar stolen in Ukraine

    http://tass.ru/en/world/818595

    Two local residents confessed they wanted to take the radar to a scrap metals collection station

    KIEV, September 3 /TASS/. A $215,000 radar from a US Air Force drone has been stolen in the Lviv Region in western Ukraine, Ukraine’s Interior Ministry regional department said on Thursday.

    "An officer who works at a training center located in the territory of the Yavorovsky testing area reported the loss to a local police station," the department’s press service said.

    The source added that police found the thieves and returned the radar back to its place.

    Two local residents confessed they wanted to take the radar to a scrap metals collection station, the interior ministry department said.

    Criminal proceedings have been initiated. The men are facing from 7 to 12 years in jail with property confiscation.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Ispan on Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:50 pm

    Teshub wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Ever heard of mortar bombs? Cool
    Yes, from military illiterates who don't know that they are supposed to be called mortar shells, or mortar rounds...

    In that case the illiterate is you, because they are called "bombs" in other languages. A cannon or howitzer fires shells (or "grenades" depending of the language) and the mortar fires bombs, because they have fins and drop by gravity.

    As I recall on the literature of the Great War, British sources talk of "mortar bombs".



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:24 pm

    What happens in October? Elections and then what?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  par far on Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    US drone radar stolen in Ukraine

    http://tass.ru/en/world/818595

    Two local residents confessed they wanted to take the radar to a scrap metals collection station

    KIEV, September 3 /TASS/. A $215,000 radar from a US Air Force drone has been stolen in the Lviv Region in western Ukraine, Ukraine’s Interior Ministry regional department said on Thursday.

    "An officer who works at a training center located in the territory of the Yavorovsky testing area reported the loss to a local police station," the department’s press service said.

    The source added that police found the thieves and returned the radar back to its place.

    Two local residents confessed they wanted to take the radar to a scrap metals collection station, the interior ministry department said.

    Criminal proceedings have been initiated. The men are facing from 7 to 12 years in jail with property confiscation.


    This is just too funny.

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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:01 pm

    par far wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    US drone radar stolen in Ukraine

    http://tass.ru/en/world/818595

    Two local residents confessed they wanted to take the radar to a scrap metals collection station

    KIEV, September 3 /TASS/. A $215,000 radar from a US Air Force drone has been stolen in the Lviv Region in western Ukraine, Ukraine’s Interior Ministry regional department said on Thursday.

    "An officer who works at a training center located in the territory of the Yavorovsky testing area reported the loss to a local police station," the department’s press service said.

    The source added that police found the thieves and returned the radar back to its place.

    Two local residents confessed they wanted to take the radar to a scrap metals collection station, the interior ministry department said.

    Criminal proceedings have been initiated. The men are facing from 7 to 12 years in jail with property confiscation.

    This is just too funny.
    This must be one of the counter battery radars. They obviously decided that it was not worth selling as that and was only good for scrap.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  franco on Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:42 pm

    Interesting article on the Reformed Ukrainian Army;
    http://southfront.org/kiev-regime-army-during-the-2015-summer-campaign/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

    Post  franco on Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:38 am

    Even the Canadian press in the heart of Ukraineville Canada are starting to question what is happening in Ukraine;
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/much-celebrated-canadian-aid-ukraine-military-was-worth-pitiful-500000/ri9449

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