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    Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:05 pm

    Due the involvement of the US in South Korea and their vast coverage and control of the Medias in South Korea like Radio Free Asia are spreading and creating hostilities between both Korean countries to prevent unity and seek for union and independance of anglo-saxon occupation and influence of the nation and region.

    I've seen a disturbing amount of hatred towards North Korea with an almost trend and demonization to all cost without questioning how ridiculous some of those claims are. The majority of such hatefilled and dispicable news come from South Korea which today for non asians and non korean people can be directly compared with Ukraine with its blatant idiotic claims and news reporting against Russia of invasion, using nukes against ukraine, using armata tanks, the nonsense amount of reports of russian "terrorists" all ordered and paid by putin himself to harm sovereignity of ukraine etc pp. South Korea matches Ukraine in ridiculouse news and the hatefilled propaganda against their own nation and people under the directive of the US and harming own national interests aswell security.

    Among such ridiculous news about North Korea, how evil, totalitarian, bad place to live and how evil Kim yong Un is you can find constantly retarded propaganda of Kim Yong Un alledgey ordering deaths by artillery, death squads or Anti aircraft guns and ridiculous alike for sleeping officers or his wife which all turned out days after on camera to be well and alive.

    http://anti-imperialism.com/2014/08/14/western-dprk-propaganda-the-worst-occasionally-hilarious-and-often-racist-lies/

    Western DPRK Propaganda: The Worst, Occasionally Hilarious, and Often Racist, Lies
    Famous Singer executed by firing squad!

    … only to show up alive, grinning, and well on national television! Awwkwaaard!1

    Either the DPRK has discovered the long-lost art of necromancy (and the United States is in for a bone-shattering surprise when an undead Korean People’s Army comes rattling onto its shores), it has created an exceedingly advanced form of wax puppetry, or — forgive me for the plainly preposterous suggestion — the imperialist media gasp lies! So much for the bourgeois newspapers of South Korea — a country that is still officially at war with the DPRK — that eagerly grabbed into the story.

    This isn’t even the first time something like this has happened. Kim Jong Un’s wife was widely said to be “purged”, but then shows up days later, alive and well.2
    North Koreans forced to get Kim Jon Un-style haircuts!

    … only to admit a day later there is no evidence:3

    Recent visitors to the country say they’ve seen no evidence of any mass haircutting. North Korea watchers smell another imaginative but uncorroborated rumour.

    […]

    Washington, D.C.-based Radio Free Asia cited unnamed sources as saying an unwritten directive from somewhere within the ruling Workers’ Party went out early this month, causing consternation among students who didn’t think the new ‘do would suit them.

    Radio Free Asia, ah yes, famously impartial federally-funded organisation established by an act of the U.S congress citing “unnamed” sources.

    For an announcement this official apparently coming from the Workers’ Party itself, you would expect Rodong Sinmun, the Korean Central News Agency, or the Voice of Korea — all official government organs — to issue a statement on the matter. But, alas, not a peep.

    Photos of suggested hairstyles posted outside women’s hair salons — the kind allow a customer to show her hairdresser what she wants — are regularly depicted by foreign media as showing the only sanctioned styles North Korean women can choose from.

    Images that would garner nary a note before falling into obscurity if they were taken south of the border are sensationalised beyond belief as soon as the exceedingly lucrative “Location: The Axis of Evil” tag can be attributed to it.

    Slow news day? Feeling creative? Why not engorge your hit counter, pockets, and the frothing-at-the-mouth jingoism of your readership, and concoct a fantastical tale of the Rogue State!
    Football Squad Tortured for Loosing!

    It’s Radio Free Asia again, folks! This time one of their anonymous sources said “they were subjected to a session of harsh ideological criticism […] in front of 400 people”4. This makes no sense though. Loosing a match of football isn’t an ideological matter. It sounds (and it is) like a bad parody of the popular consciousness regarding the DPRK.

    The very same source then went on to contradict themselves just a couple sentences later, saying “how the players were reprimanded and what kind of punishment they received wasn’t known”.4

    A second anonymous source in the article stated that “There are rumours that coach Kim Jung Hun has been expelled from the Workers’ Party, or that he has been sent to perform forced labor at a residential building construction site in Pyongyang, but such rumors are hard to verify”.4

    Another variant of this rumour, this time an old one resurfacing again after first appearing in 1966, said that the punishment for loosing was in fact forced labour in a coal mine.5

    Famously reliable Asian Football Confederation chief Mohamed Bin Hammam jumped on the rumour mill. Although he noted that when he met several DPRK team members “I haven’t seen anything with my eyes or heard anything with my ears”, he mentioned an “unconfirmed report” (read: baseless lie) that “these players have gone through torture or something like that”.6

    FIFA decided to investigate the matter. Unsurprisingly they concluded that the reports were “baseless”, and that “training was as usual”. “With all of the information at hand, and having checked all of its sources, Fifa has decided to close the matter”.7 After loosing the North Korean football were rewarded, and seen enjoying, barbecues and massages.5

    Yet another rumour flying around for the 2010 world cup was that the supporters of the DPRK were paid Chinese actors. For this one, there weren’t even any anonymous sources given.8
    Football Team Won 2014 World Cup Final!

    Amidst the football frenzy as the next world cup rolls around, the imperialist media conjures up another topical lie:9

    Lack of information could make some people believe just about anything, even the most absurd of rumours. If further proof of that was needed, the latest example is a North Korean video assuring viewers that North Korea has secured a place in the World Cup final in Brazil after routing every one of its rivals. The sad fact is that the team actually failed even to qualify for the tournament. Nevertheless, foreign media somehow took it for granted that North Koreans could so easily be misled. Lots of authoritative news agencies and newspapers “swallowed” the hoax news and rushed to report that the North Korean government was fooling its people.

    This lie was astoundingly shallow:9

    To the attentive eye, the “hoax” carried a few obvious inconsistencies. First, North Korean television has broadcast all the key World Cup matches, which means that North Koreans definitely know which teams played each other and will sooner be watching the Germany-Argentina title match live on Sunday night, rather than waiting for the mythical North Korea-Portugal final.

    Second, the presenter’s lips weren’t completely in sync with the apparent soundtrack, suggesting that the original speech was different.

    Third, the voice-over bears a southern, rather than northern, accent and actually sounds a lot like a southerner trying to imitate a North Korean TV presenter.”

    but it didn’t stop it being widely reported by The Mirror, The Metro, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and the Toronto Sun, to name just a few (some of them have since updated their articles). As of the time of writing the original video has 6.7 million hits. Taking into account the hits on the various articles around the web would add millions more.

    The article further mentions other myths invented by sources with similiar agendas as the Radio Free Asia belonging to US and south korean sources preventing any natural progression towards reunion of once was an united Korea, about cannibalism, koreans landed on sun, mortar execution of one uncle of Kim Yong Un and a reddit invented nonsense that north korean's believe in unicorns.

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:59 pm

    You are right, the propaganda is so ridiculous it hurts. But anyone who points out the obvious fiction will be accused
    of being a North Korean apologist. In the west you are either with us, or against us. With that kind of thinking and
    the "North Korean" style western media, it is the west that is showing signs of totalitarian excesses.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:46 pm

    Best Korea Lends itself well to this, because the Kim family has had the good idea to "do" crazy stuff which amuse and scare the motherfuckers. When you do your dictatorial business the good old way (IE not too much and not too visible, à la Khadaffi), they treat you like a mobster and kill you. So lesson to be learnt here is this. Do it like Best Korea and fuckers won't try shit (oh and Build Nukes... clown ).

    NB: I'm talking about you Iran.

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  max steel on Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:57 pm

    Why korean war started ? Can anyone explain.

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    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:05 pm

    max steel wrote:Why korean war started ? Can anyone explain.
    Proxy War is the simplest explanation. USSR and the US were competing for influence.

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:21 pm

    About North Korea. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. I do think there is truth it what they say about the government there. The North Korean Government for the most part is a relic of the Stalinist and Maoist times. With that said, the country is beginning to slowly open up to the world. The evidence supporting that is seen in the construction boom going on mostly around Pyongyang. I would not be surprised to see North Korea to go through a similar boom that nearly all its neighbors went through in the not so distant future because of cheap and available labor that is beginning to appear.

    Anyway here is some pictures of Pyongyang's construction boom: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=430395cfb84e020486737b384cd61984&t=1522800&page=10

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:27 pm

    max steel wrote:Why korean war started ? Can anyone explain.

    AHahahahahaha. You want the official reason of the real reason?

    Official reason was DPRK trying to reunify the whole peninsula by force. The real reason was that the South Korean "regime" failed to insure democratic elections and needed to weed off non-Communist opposition. That was done by lumping both groups in one and calling them terrorists. As the democratic opposition to the Synghman Rhee RDC puppet regime was easier to pick off, the one that remained was basically and early version of the Viet Minh. These chaps were, unlike the democratic guys who got mauled, heavily armed and supported by the Soviet backed regime. However the North Koreans overdone it and Cuntman Rhee benefited greatly by systematically attacking student unions, worker unions and even local communities who would reject former Japanese collaborators.

    This called great distress among the Korean population already separated by an artificial rift between South and North. At that point Rhee devised a stupid move, which was backed by the US. Martial Law. This opened to a de facto South Korean civil war which was lightly supported by the Soviets. At that time they were busy helping dem Chinese Commies smash the KMT.

    The South insurgency died off mostly due to the extreme diligence of the US to litterally test some of the most vilest approaches to COIN, notably the pioneering of napalm usage and well and paddy poisoning by aerosols. That, while killing off the insurgency, also caused whole famines and unrest (Jeju Massacre being one of the most infamous incidents). That was interpreted by the newly founded DPRK as a sign of things to come. Prematurely they opted for a direct invasion plan.

    Which they enacted in 1949, trying to avoid scrutiny by the USSR. However Stalin who wanted a showdown anyway hoping that would release steam off the Chinese situation gave the nod for a low-brow operation. This again was overdone by Kim Il Sung. He waited until the US troops moved out of South Korea and then attacked. In a pretty spectacular fashion rightly understanding that the West can't train ideologically alien people, the almost won the game. Then the US (with UN mandate) intervened (that empty chair policy from Stalin...) and pushed back the DPRK forces in a very decisive manner. This happened because Kim IL Sung didn't fully appreciate the capabilities of the US and the real intention behind that mandate. Which was a Godsend green light to kill off the DPRK.

    And the rest is history.

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    Post  max steel on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:44 pm

    How usa got un mandate knowing both china and russia were permanent members of unsc ?

    Un forces were kicked out of north korea with china's troop

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:51 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Best Korea Lends itself well to this, because the Kim family has had the good idea to "do" crazy stuff which amuse and scare the motherfuckers. When you do your dictatorial business the good old way (IE not too much and not too visible, à la Khadaffi), they treat you like a mobster and kill you. So lesson to be learnt here is this. Do it like Best Korea and fuckers won't try shit (oh and Build Nukes... clown ).

    NB: I'm talking about you Iran.
    Yes, you are completely right. The only exception being huge and powerful countries like Russia and China, which can have more normal and open governments (China isn't a democracy, but there is way more freedom and openness there than in NK).

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:13 pm

    Which claims about DPRK are lies and misconceptions?
    1. The existence of concentration camps?
    2. The existence of severe political terror (including large scale purges and executing people for minor disagreement)?
    3. The Existence of economic hardship that could be easily prevented by opening trade with China?

    There is absolutely no symmetry between what western media say about DPRK and what DPRK media say about Europe and USA. Western reports about North Korea may be biased sometimes but we can say with a decent level of certainity that they're true in about 85-90%. DPRK reports about the west are true in maybe 5% - AFAIk several years ago they claimed that the USSR still exists.

    And if you guys want to take info about DPRK, why do you take it from sites like "antiimperialism.com"? Why not take info from known and reputable non-western sources - like RT, Xinhua, Press TV, Fars News?

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:21 pm

    max steel wrote:How usa got un mandate knowing both china and russia were permanent members of unsc ?

    Un forces were kicked out of north korea with china's troop

    It wasn't "Red China" at the UN, but the KMT in Taiwan/Formosa that was awarded the seat as part of the "Allied forces". And this worked until 1960. Then Sanity was restored...
    As for the Soviet, well I told you google Empty Chair policy by the USSR. In protest of the 'Allied' actions in Berlin, Uncle Joe decided it would be good to leave the UN seat vacant...

    Retrospectively, UN mandate or not, that wouldn't have stopped the US who had a secret agreement with S. Rhee.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:30 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Which claims about DPRK are lies and misconceptions?
    1. The existence of concentration camps?
    2. The existence of severe political terror (including large scale purges and executing people for minor disagreement)?
    3. The Existence of economic hardship that could be easily prevented by opening trade with China?

    There is absolutely no symmetry between what western media say about DPRK and what DPRK media say about Europe and USA. Western reports about North Korea may be biased sometimes but we can say with a decent level of certainity that they're true in about 85-90%. DPRK reports about the west are true in maybe 5% - AFAIk several years ago they claimed that the USSR still exists.

    And if you guys want to take info about DPRK, why do you take it from sites like "antiimperialism.com"? Why not take info from known and reputable non-western sources - like RT, Xinhua, Press TV, Fars News?

    Well the fact that people in the DPRK get slotted by various flamboyant means...AA, Mortar, AT-gun shit like that. The fact is that there isn't ANYTHING reported about the DPRK outside of the lunacy of its leaders...however this is a fairly new trend. Until 1995 the DPRK wasn't worse than Cuba or Syria when it came to living conditions. After the Nuclear Embargo insanity the DPRK became a medieval rural nightmare.

    The fact that the leadership wanted to maintain itself, by building nukes, proves that hardship is entirely, ENTIRELY satisfactory when it comes to "self defence". Now Muammar Ghadaffi in Hell, regrets selling off his Nuclear stash. Guess who's the crazy motherfucker who disses the US without even batting an eyelash. Big Fat Kim that's who!

    From a humanitarian POV, the country is completely ravaged. But from a political POV I'd say big fat KIM can only bring things up...now his regime's survival is insured by a couple of kilotons...Hell, the DPRK can subsist Chinese style and flip the bird to South Korea overtime AND have Big Fat Kim hanged. This is the beauty of this. Korea is about to go the Chinese way, with or without Kim, but there won't be a German Scenario so far.

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    Post  max steel on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:36 pm

    Is there any defense pact btwn south koreans and murika ?.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:44 pm

    If DPRK officials wanted to improve the humanitarian situation in the country, they could simply conduct economic reforms, let Chinese investments move in and wait - after 15-20 years the country would be changed beyond recognition. They must truly believe in the Juche BS and it's dogma of "self-sufficiency" - otherwise how do we explain self-imposed economic isolation?

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:45 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Which claims about DPRK are lies and misconceptions?
    1. The existence of concentration camps?
    2. The existence of severe political terror (including large scale purges and executing people for minor disagreement)?
    3. The Existence of economic hardship that could be easily prevented by opening trade with China?

    There is absolutely no symmetry between what western media say about DPRK and what DPRK media say about Europe and USA. Western reports about North Korea may be biased sometimes but we can say with a decent level of certainity that they're true in about 85-90%. DPRK reports about the west are true in maybe 5% - AFAIk several years ago they claimed that the USSR still exists.

    And if you guys want to take info about DPRK, why do you take it from sites like "antiimperialism.com"? Why not take info from known and reputable non-western sources - like RT, Xinhua, Press TV, Fars News?

    All of them are lies which we recieve here in our "democracatic" "countries".

    1. There are no concentration camps just blatant lies about prisons with labour for inmates which exists in almost every country.
    2. No terror from the state and mass purges of people for minor disaggreements exist. This is south korean propaganda to keep a "communist threat" and "subhuman" behavior alive to justify their actions in that region.

    There are plenty of cases of this retarded propaganda from US and South Korea. You can see links to that in the link i've posted, even tho some of those links are correcting their miss reporting by jumping on anti North Korea bandwagon, but with a huge amount of hatefiled comments about North Korea and Kim Yong Un.

    For instance South Korea and Free Radio Asia have reported some time ago that because of an anchor having made a mistake in a news she was alledgley executed on order of Kim Yong Un, just to appear few days later back on show. Another His wife was purged that came from South Korea after his wife wasn't shown on television for some time and then this propaganda was spread across western countries of how cruel and evil North Korea and Kim Yong Un is, while days after she appeared back infront of cameras.

    Uncle executed, military officer executed for sleeping during his job and alot of other nonsense by mortar fire or flak cannons which were all lies to keep the image of bad communist korea to justify any actions of the empire we know as US.

    3. Economic hardship is imposed by US and their UN paid slaves to asure such a policy of isolation with hardballing of US policy to dictate how North Korea should make their politics by the will of US, since the North Korean leadership and people do not want that, they further ignore and protect themselfs from that by turning inwards with some trade to other countries. The trade with foreign countries is also made more difficult since North Korea is banned from SWIFT and other trade mechanisms which make trade more difficult. DPRK is already trading with China and china is ignoring western impossed sanctions to a great degree since the West can't do jackshit about what China does, their entire economy are build around China as a labour, not to mention their high amount of debts they ow to China.

    Why do you believe in such "news" of how evil Kim Yong Un and North Korea are without any video proof or any other kind of proof of them actually doing what they are accused off. It is constantly and always just the same blatant propaganda about North Korea like they do about Putin or Russia in western medias, they selectively use footage of people they try to demonize, without sound, so you can't hear anything or any interview of those leaders while showing selective images that only can create one perception "showing muscles" which has created a personal cult around Vladimir Putin here in our west rather than in Russia. Russians constantly see him and hear him, we never hear him we only get images with constantly with racist remarks and right out propaganda of him being Hitler. The same we hear about Kim Yong Un even tho he studied in Switzerland and speaks German fluently. We never hear him and lot of the alledgly news that came from North Korea making claims about Sun landings, or threatening to wage a war agaisnt United States are all lies by US and South Korea, they are not stupid, they do not rely on foreign politics in any kind and form, they are soley domestic oriented.

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:50 pm

    max steel wrote:Is there any defense pact btwn south koreans and murika ?.

    Yup and there are US Troops in ROK (USFK - 30K troops)

    Mostly because ROK has signed a bilateral agreement to not undertake military atomic research (1970'). It was caught in 1972 enriching Plutonium and was forced to cease (1974 '123' agreement), then it was caught again in 1997 and 2004 after signing ANOTHER agreement with the US in 1992. It disclosed also it had made forays in laser enrichment in the 80's and as late as 2000. In 2004 while IAEA beat the shit out of Iran for allegations, Korea was caught having produced weapons grade plutonium and having mastered laser enrichment. That went totally silent and no one started Embargos on ROK. Double standarts...

    And for obvious DPRK reasons...

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:54 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    max steel wrote:Is there any defense pact btwn south koreans and murika ?.

    Yup and there are US Troops in ROK (USFK - 30K troops)

    Mostly because ROK has signed a bilateral agreement to not undertake military atomic research (1970'). It was caught in 1972 enriching Plutonium and was forced to cease (1974 '123' agreement), then it was caught again in 1997 and 2004 after signing ANOTHER agreement with the US in 1992. It disclosed also it had made forays in laser enrichment in the 80's and as late as 2000. In 2004 while IAEA beat the shit out of Iran for allegations, Korea was caught having produced weapons grade plutonium and having mastered laser enrichment. That went totally silent and no one started Embargos on ROK. Double standarts...

    And for obvious DPRK reasons...

    Laser enrichment?

    Hear first time of that, can you give a little explanation on that?

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:03 pm

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    Why do I believe such claims? That's simple - I know history of other communist countries through 20th century and I know that they weren't exactly known for astronomical levels of political freedom - therefore I can draw parellels of what can and cannot be possible in DPRK.

    The entire DPRK was directly modeled after Stalinist USSR - and it has not undergone any massive reform of government akin to de-stalinization in the USSR or Deng Xiaoping's reforms in PRC. The entire DPRK stands almost exactly as it was 60 years ago - in fact they were so obsessed about Kim Il Sung that after his death they declared him to be "Eternal President" - in 20th century no other country declared a dead man to be their leader.

    As for their economic hardships -I already said what has to be done - abandon the Juche BS, reform the economic so that people can run their own businesses legally and let Chinese capital do it's job. The whole country would benefit from that, including the leadership


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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:05 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If DPRK officials wanted to improve the humanitarian situation in the country, they could simply conduct economic reforms, let Chinese investments move in and wait - after 15-20 years the country would be changed beyond recognition. They must truly believe in the Juche BS and it's dogma of "self-sufficiency" - otherwise how do we explain self-imposed economic isolation?

    Yes they could, however, as one can see, more "democratic" countries in the world with less handicaps don't fare that better. See Africa for instance...The core of the Issue is this. After USSR going bust, suddenly the DPRK felt "ronery". It had no means to protect from the Democrazy forces, especially during the expansive deployment of US power. Let us recall that the US was on a roll, it bombed the shit out of Panama, then Iraq, then felt it could pacify Somalia and also started supporting the Croats in the Yugo civil war. How would have you felt if you were DPRK honcho? Let us remind that the DPRK under Kim il Sung was relatively capable to defend itself against the ROK, however that changed when the Cold war died down and the US started trickling down surplus shit to the ROK. Worse Russia was now talking the ROK to cancel debts in favour of military hardware, it had denied to the DPRK. What does one do? Well, it starts an atomic program. Unfortunately Kim Il Sung dies in 1994 and then his deranged son comes in. The dude isn't well, but nukular he can do. And he does, although that costs the country pretty much all the leverage they formerly had.

    The other issue is also that the isolation ISN'T self imposed. Building Nukes under the nose of Beijing and Moscow, wasn't going to go down well. It was even worse after the latter was almost done as a world power and the earlier was only taking off economically. It became so when the DPRK leadership, understood that the program would be a lot safer with a total control...and voilà, now the country is opening back again, slowly and with the usual BS. But it's mostly back on track.

    You have to look at the context to understand why things are the way they are. That doesn't mean I agree with the DPRK, but I can see how they thought this over. And seen how non-"nukular" countries tend to end belly up at the smallest US whim, well I'd say well done Big Fat Kim, you're a murderous Machiavellian motherfucker. But an Alive murderous Machiavellian motherfucker.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:12 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Werewolf

    Why do I believe such claims? That's simple - I know history of other communist countries through 20th century and I know that they weren't exactly known for astronomical levels of political freedom - therefore I can draw parellels of what can and cannot be possible in DPRK.

    The entire DPRK was directly modeled after Stalinist USSR - and it has not undergone any massive reform of government akin to de-stalinization in the USSR or Deng Xiaoping's reforms in PRC. The entire DPRK stands almost exactly as it was 60 years ago - in fact they were so obsessed about Kim Il Sung that after his death they declared him to be "Eternal President" - in 20th century no other country declared a dead man to be their leader.

    Yes, you rely on beLIEves, not on knowledge. You have certainly no idea about communist countries of the 20th century since there was never such a thing as a communist country. Just to help you with understanding please write down the meaning of USSR and then find me the Kommunistichisky in it. For those who believe there is such a thing as a Democratic country we can clearly see and say that it was never the case, electing in short terms of 4 years another crook we know in advance he is lying and then doing the opposite is not democratic, you have no say in politics meaning you live in a dictatorship with changing faces.

    Or for you to put it in Angela Merkels words here a video of what she said and how democratic germany is.



    For those who do not understand german.

    She said: "What was said before elections can not be garanteed to be the case afterwards"

    Again you only parrot western lies about North Korea, you have absolutley zero evidence nor material of actual North Korean sources to base that upon. They have far more political freedom than you are indoctrinated to believe.

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:13 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    max steel wrote:Is there any defense pact btwn south koreans and murika ?.

    Yup and there are US Troops in ROK (USFK - 30K troops)

    Mostly because ROK has signed a bilateral agreement to not undertake military atomic research (1970'). It was caught in 1972 enriching Plutonium and was forced to cease (1974 '123' agreement), then it was caught again in 1997 and 2004 after signing ANOTHER agreement with the US in 1992. It disclosed also it had made forays in laser enrichment in the 80's and as late as 2000. In 2004 while IAEA beat the shit out of Iran for allegations, Korea was caught having produced weapons grade plutonium and having mastered laser enrichment. That went totally silent and no one started Embargos on ROK. Double standarts...

    And for obvious DPRK reasons...

    Laser enrichment?

    Hear first time of that, can you give a little explanation on that?

    In short, it is making use of the unique frequencies at which atoms and molecules vibrate. A laser is locked to the precise vibrational frequency of a U-235 atom or a molecule which has U-235 can cause that isotope to behave differently from the heavier U-238.

    You start the so called molecular laser isotope separation, enrichment begins with uranium hexafluoride gas—in which each uranium atom is surrounded by six fluorine atoms—mixed with an inert gas that dilutes the uranium. The gas is cooled and expulsed out of a nozzle at very high speeds (supersonic). Rapid-fire pulses from an infrared laser penetrate the gas, increasing the vibrational energy in the U-235 molecules' chemical bonds.

    A new molecule forms around the U-235. It lasts for less than a microsecond before breaking apart, and the repelling force from that event pushes the U-235 to the edges of the stream, where it can then be siphoned off.

    Australians do this since the 80's. The Soviets tried but it was rather unstable and unnecessary, same for the US.

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:19 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    max steel wrote:Is there any defense pact btwn south koreans and murika ?.

    Yup and there are US Troops in ROK (USFK - 30K troops)

    Mostly because ROK has signed a bilateral agreement to not undertake military atomic research (1970'). It was caught in 1972 enriching Plutonium and was forced to cease (1974 '123' agreement), then it was caught again in 1997 and 2004 after signing ANOTHER agreement with the US in 1992. It disclosed also it had made forays in laser enrichment in the 80's and as late as 2000. In 2004 while IAEA beat the shit out of Iran for allegations, Korea was caught having produced weapons grade plutonium and having mastered laser enrichment. That went totally silent and no one started Embargos on ROK. Double standarts...

    And for obvious DPRK reasons...

    Laser enrichment?

    Hear first time of that, can you give a little explanation on that?

    In short, it is making use of the unique frequencies at which atoms and molecules vibrate. A laser is locked to the precise vibrational frequency of a U-235 atom or a molecule which has U-235 can cause that isotope to behave differently from the heavier U-238.

    You start the so called molecular laser isotope separation, enrichment begins with uranium hexafluoride gas—in which each uranium atom is surrounded by six fluorine atoms—mixed with an inert gas that dilutes the uranium. The gas is cooled and expulsed out of a nozzle at very high speeds (supersonic). Rapid-fire pulses from an infrared laser penetrate the gas, increasing the vibrational energy in the U-235 molecules' chemical bonds.

    A new molecule forms around the U-235. It lasts for less than a microsecond before breaking apart, and the repelling force from that event pushes the U-235 to the edges of the stream, where it can then be siphoned off.

    Australians do this since the 80's. The Soviets tried but it was rather unstable and unnecessary, same for the US.

    Interesting, thanks.

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:28 pm

    No problem...BTW traces of military grade plutonium were found again in 2007 in South Korea...Did you heard any about that? Of course not, 'friends' aren't treated the same...

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  max steel on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:59 pm

    http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/south-koreas-nuclear-mis-adventures/


    Here is more info on S.Korea misadventures. But nothing has been reported after 2004 on this issue. US shipped live anthrax samples to its base in S.Korea. biological attack seems quiet on chart. South Korea is one of the few countries that has the raw materials and equipment to produce a nuclear weapon but has not.

    I find it quiet interesting that usa was so scared of nuclear weapons technology falling in the hand of other nations i guess deep down they know their missile shields are useless .

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    Re: Western Myths and lies about North Korea

    Post  max steel on Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:49 pm

    US Military used Christian NGO as Front for North Korea Espionage


    Does God work for the CIA? angel affraid

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