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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:15 am

    Sorry, I went on a bit... I do that some times... Smile

    All I was going to say was that these countries... Russia, Finland, the baltic countries, Ukraine... etc etc are all neighbours and nothing is going to change that.

    You can be bitchy and blame all your problems on your neighbour... or you can harden the fuck up and realise neither of you can leave this relationship and try and sort out your differences and solve your own problems.


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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  andrewlya on Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:38 pm

    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.



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    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  max steel on Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:57 pm

    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.



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    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:45 pm

    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.



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    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.

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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:33 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.



    Video link
    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.

    I wonder why these NATO media lie factories never complained about online voting before? If some Russian trolls can
    nullify the value of online votes, then the same was true for any other set of online votes where any number of interested
    parties could have spammed the vote counters.

    You see here the schizophrenia of NATO propaganda. On the one hand NATO is the bastion of human intelligence and superior
    technology and culture. But on the other it can't conceive of a way to counteract vote spamming. Take for example the following
    obvious approach that at least limits the spam volume: use cookies with encryption and track IPs. So a single IP cannot vote
    numerous times. It is still possible to "DOS" the vote site but it is much more difficult. Then they could use captchas to filter
    out bots.

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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  andrewlya on Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:03 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.



    Video link
    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.
    Funny how they carry out these surveys hoping to get the results they desire but when the results turn out the way they had not expected they come out with lame excuses such as invasion of "Russian trolls" or "results had been hacked/tampered with", they can't just take it on the chin and admit these are the results. I guess truth hurts..

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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:23 am

    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.



    Video link
    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.
    Funny how they carry out these surveys hoping to get the results they desire but when the results turn out the way they had not expected they come out with lame excuses such as invasion of "Russian trolls" or "results had been hacked/tampered with", they can't just take it on the chin and admit these are the results. I guess truth hurts..

    There is a saying, "Never leave your character."

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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:19 pm

    Baltic States resort to ban tactics in relations with Russia — Russian Foreign Ministry

    It seems the Baltic States authorities have resorted to the tactics of bans on the work of journalists and media outlets falling out of line of the mainstream approved from above, Moscow says

    MOSCOW, September 15 /TASS/. The tactics of denying entry to Russian journalists shows the true worth of the Baltic States’ declared commitment to the principles of democracy and freedom of speech, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in its statement on Tuesday.

    "The EU has constantly been wailing of the need to be committed to freedom of speech. Regrettably, we need to state — against this background — that this important principle is being literally ignored on a daily basis to suit political ambitions," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

    "It seems that the authorities in the neighboring Baltic States who feel they are impotent to preserve control over the media space have resorted to the tactics of bans on the work of separate journalists and media outlets, which fall out of line of the mainstream approved from above," the ministry said.

    Estonia has recently denied entry to Maria Perekryostova, the head of the multimedia programs direction of the Rossiya Segodnya media holdings who planned to organize the work of the agency’s journalists in Estonia. Maria was banned entrance at Tallinn airport, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

    "They did not give any clear and coherent explanations to their decision despite the fact that the media holdings has all the licenses for operation in Estonia," the Russian Foreign Ministry went on to say.

    "A similar case has taken place in Lithuania where the authorities suddenly announced Komsomolskaya Pravda’s journalist Galina Sapozhnikova an undesirable person who threatens the country’s state security," the Russian Foreign Ministry explained.

    "A ban to open a Rossiya Segodnya office in Latvia fits well into the general picture of actions to restrict media freedom," the ministry’s statement said.

    "In short, a coordinated policy of the Baltic States is obvious. They automatically regard any person linked to Russian media to some degree as a foe and a target for persecution," the Russian Foreign Ministry stressed.

    "These cases clearly demonstrate the true worth of demagogical statements made by Vilnius, Riga and Tallinn about commitment to the principles of democracy and freedom of speech. Naturally, we are going to take account of these unfriendly moves in our bilateral relations with these countries," the Russian Foreign Ministry concluded.


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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:34 am

    Broken ties with Baltic states adversely affect Russia and countries in region — president

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times

    MOSCOW, September 29. /TASS/. Broken economic ties with the Baltic states adversely affect both Russia and the countries of the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin told US journalist Charlie Rose in an interview with CBS and PBS.

    "The broken ties, first of all, in the economy, adversely affect all of us, including Russia," Putin said. "So, I am deeply convinced that we should abandon the phobias of the past, look forward into the future and, while acting on the basis of international law, establish good-neighbourly and equal relations," he added.

    The Russian leaders stressed that Moscow would like to "build friendly and partnership relations" with the Baltic states since "many Russians have been living there since the collapse of the Soviet Union."

    "They are being discriminated there, their rights are being violated. Do you know that many Baltic states have invented something new in the international law? What citizenship-related notions did the international law have before? The answer is: a citizen, a foreigner, a stateless person and dual nationals, or people with dual citizenship," Putin said. "The Baltic republics have invented something totally new. Do you know what? They use the word ‘non-citizens’ for people who have been living for decades in the territory of Baltic states and have been deprived of a number of political rights. They cannot participate in the election campaigns; they have limited political and social rights. Everybody keeps quiet about it, as if this is the way it should be," he continued.

    "Of course, this cannot but cause a certain reaction. I assume that our colleagues from both the United States and the European Union will proceed from current humanitarian law and ensure political freedoms and rights of all people, including those who are living in the territory of Baltic states after the disintegration of the Soviet Union," Putin said.

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times. He added that "there are plans to separate the Baltic states from the common power system of the former Soviet Union and to integrate them into the European system."

    "In practice, it means that a number of zones will emerge between several regions of the Russian Federation, where we will have no power transmission lines, since previously we used to have a loop transition through the Baltic countries. And it means that we will have to reform the system, spending billions of dollars, as well as our European partners who will also have to spend billions of dollars to integrate the Baltic countries into their power grid. What for? If we really seek some kind of joint work and integration, not just by words but also by deeds, what is the use of all this? And this is the case in many areas - they do the opposite of what they say," Putin explained.

    The president expressed hope that "these all are growth-related problems" and that "common sense - in this or other area - will prevail in the end."

    "We all are interested in an open development, without any prejudice; this refers particularly and, perhaps, primarily to the Baltic countries, for them it is more important than for Russia," Putin concluded.


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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  andrewlya on Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:03 pm

    George1 wrote:Broken ties with Baltic states adversely affect Russia and countries in region — president

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times

    MOSCOW, September 29. /TASS/. Broken economic ties with the Baltic states adversely affect both Russia and the countries of the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin told US journalist Charlie Rose in an interview with CBS and PBS.

    "The broken ties, first of all, in the economy, adversely affect all of us, including Russia," Putin said. "So, I am deeply convinced that we should abandon the phobias of the past, look forward into the future and, while acting on the basis of international law, establish good-neighbourly and equal relations," he added.

    The Russian leaders stressed that Moscow would like to "build friendly and partnership relations" with the Baltic states since "many Russians have been living there since the collapse of the Soviet Union."

    "They are being discriminated there, their rights are being violated. Do you know that many Baltic states have invented something new in the international law? What citizenship-related notions did the international law have before? The answer is: a citizen, a foreigner, a stateless person and dual nationals, or people with dual citizenship," Putin said. "The Baltic republics have invented something totally new. Do you know what? They use the word ‘non-citizens’ for people who have been living for decades in the territory of Baltic states and have been deprived of a number of political rights. They cannot participate in the election campaigns; they have limited political and social rights. Everybody keeps quiet about it, as if this is the way it should be," he continued.

    "Of course, this cannot but cause a certain reaction. I assume that our colleagues from both the United States and the European Union will proceed from current humanitarian law and ensure political freedoms and rights of all people, including those who are living in the territory of Baltic states after the disintegration of the Soviet Union," Putin said.

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times. He added that "there are plans to separate the Baltic states from the common power system of the former Soviet Union and to integrate them into the European system."

    "In practice, it means that a number of zones will emerge between several regions of the Russian Federation, where we will have no power transmission lines, since previously we used to have a loop transition through the Baltic countries. And it means that we will have to reform the system, spending billions of dollars, as well as our European partners who will also have to spend billions of dollars to integrate the Baltic countries into their power grid. What for? If we really seek some kind of joint work and integration, not just by words but also by deeds, what is the use of all this? And this is the case in many areas - they do the opposite of what they say," Putin explained.

    The president expressed hope that "these all are growth-related problems" and that "common sense - in this or other area - will prevail in the end."

    "We all are interested in an open development, without any prejudice; this refers particularly and, perhaps, primarily to the Baltic countries, for them it is more important than for Russia," Putin concluded.
    Thanks for the article, I agree with Vlad. Let's forget about the phobias of the past and move on!

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    Re: Russia and the Baltic States

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:14 am

    Russia-Lithuania Political, Economic Relations Stalled – Ambassador

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160221/1035112980/russia-lithuania-political-economic-relations.html


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