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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:48 pm

    Maybe because Islamic radicals want to kill everyone who disagrees with them and actually put their ideas into practice? Rolling Eyes Christian fundamentalists don't do that or at least do that on a scale that is orders of magnitude smaller. Other than a handful of attacks on abortion clinics (in which some 20 people died over 40 yr timeframe... in a country with 200+ mln ppl), there is hardly any violence that you can acuse US fundamentalists of.

    Do you know why are American Evangelical Christians called fundamentalists? Not for their violence - but adult baptism, creationism. literal ressurection of Christ etc. stuff like that.

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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:02 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Maybe because Islamic radicals want to kill everyone who disagrees with them and actually put their ideas into practice? Rolling Eyes Christian fundamentalists don't do that or at least do that on a scale that is orders of magnitude smaller. Other than a handful of attacks on abortion clinics (in which some 20 people died over 40 yr timeframe... in a country with 200+ mln ppl), there is hardly any violence that you can acuse US fundamentalists of.

    Do you know why are American Evangelical Christians called fundamentalists? Not for their violence - but adult baptism, creationism. literal ressurection of Christ etc. stuff like that.

    Christian nutheads do that on big scale as soon they have opportunity. Genocide by vaccine with mercury of women to sterilize them.

    https://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/partial-history-of-christian-missionary-atrocities/



    You are completley driving here propaganda of the "muslims are all animals" "christians are saints". Such things only and exclusivley happen when there is instability and no legal law and enforcement is in place. Such things never happened under Assad or Gaddafi when law and stability ruled, minorities were protected and now under US Proxy war such things are always without exceptions the case were US puts its nose in with interest in instability. I can acuse fundamentalists of anything they are fundamentalists.

    Such things only happen in unstable states of society where consequences are non existent or very weak just watch europe today were Police is told not to enforce law against violent refugees of the artificial created Refugee crisis by US. German police do absolutley nothing when negros, arabs, caucasians are hitting, raping, vandalism in germany, hell there were several murders without prosecution which according to the german police was "not to de-escalate the situation".

    http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-10/fluechtlinge-polizei-ermittlung-illegale-einreise
    http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article147987206/Verheimlicht-die-Polizei-brisante-Straftaten.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2015/10/16/polizei-straftaten-flucht_n_8310318.html

    If there are no consequences people do anything even people who you would call normal would do unmoral, unethic and some would do unlawful/criminal and right out disgusting things.

    american christian nutheads are catholic pal.

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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:27 pm

    Embarassed I sometimes wish Baha'i Faith became the dominant religion in the Abrahamic religious area... would put a swift end to all Abrahamic extremism.

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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  jhelb on Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:12 am

    Werewolf wrote:american christian nutheads are catholic pal.

    Really?? You serious about this??

    FYI the vast majority of nutheads are Evangelicals.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:40 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:american christian nutheads are catholic pal.

    Really?? You serious about this??

    FYI the vast majority of nutheads are Evangelicals.

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    Post  jhelb on Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:32 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    Really?? You serious about this??

    FYI the vast majority of nutheads are Evangelicals.

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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:24 pm

    I watched a part of that documentary posted by Werewolf and read several articles about the Akha people? And honestly - what is the connection between actions of that missionary and the teachings of Christianity? Rolling Eyes It appears that he was simply approached by the Thai government and asked to get tid of some unwanted tribe. He did not provide any verses from the Bible to justify his actions, he did not quote any Christian theologians etc. When ISIS started taking Ezidi women as slaves, they quoted several verses from the Quran, numerous hadiths and opinions of several Muslim jurists (including the greatest scholars of Islam that ever lived), to justify their actions. Did that missionary provide evidence of similar callibre?

    Anyway, how is sterilizing a few thousand people comparable to killing MILLIONS? Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq killed several times more civilians than this and genocide of Hindus by Pak army in 1971 claimed at least 5 times that much lives by the lowest estimate.

    I am not claiming that Christian terroristm does not exist. It does exist, just in truly minuscule numbers. Even Jewish religious terrorism is more bloody than Christian one, taking into account demographic discrepancy of collosal scale.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:33 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I watched a part of that documentary posted by Werewolf and read several articles about the Akha people? And honestly - what is the connection between actions of that missionary and the teachings of Christianity? Rolling Eyes It appears that he was simply approached by the Thai government and asked to get tid of some unwanted tribe. He did not provide any verses from the Bible to justify his actions, he did not quote any Christian theologians etc. When ISIS started taking Ezidi women as slaves, they quoted several verses from the Quran, numerous hadiths and opinions of several Muslim jurists (including the greatest scholars of Islam that ever lived), to justify their actions. Did that missionary provide evidence of similar callibre?

    Anyway, how is sterilizing a few thousand people comparable to killing MILLIONS? Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq killed several times more civilians than this and genocide of Hindus by Pak army in 1971 claimed at least 5 times that much lives by the lowest estimate.

    I am not claiming that Christian terroristm does not exist. It does exist, just in truly minuscule numbers. Even Jewish religious terrorism is more bloody than Christian one, taking into account demographic discrepancy of collosal scale.

    Ohh you fuckwid of a fucking religious lunatic. There i post you that christians committ a genocide where he says that God did not give him any sign that it is a bad thing so he is ok with it. You fuckiwid lunatics ever use your brain or is it non existent?

    He fucking said God would be thrilled if this women can sleep with their husbands and not being worried to get pregnant. Sure because that is totally not connected with a fuckwit lunatic religious piece of shit like you are. But of course lunatic fundamentalists and radicals do never have a connection with Bible or Quran they just get preeched about it by others and as dimwits they are they interpret it like they want or how it suites them. Scum nothing else a christian Genocide and the fucking Bible encourages genocide under gods word and law and go fuck yourself with your bullshit of Old Testament is not word of god and your stupid cherry picking. You religious nutheads are the problem in this world.

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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:39 pm

    Muslim terrorism quote verses from the Quran all the time and Ultraorthodox Jews also quote verses from the Torah to justify intolerance of Palestinians. But Christian terrorists have a tough nut to crack when it comes to justifying their actions with scriptural evidence. They never have any evidence except "we think so so we do it"

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:50 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Muslim terrorism quote verses from the Quran all the time and Ultraorthodox Jews also quote verses from the Torah to justify intolerance of Palestinians. But Christian terrorists have a tough nut to crack when it comes to justifying their actions with scriptural evidence. They never have any evidence except "we think so so we do it"

    Because the amount among christians that have never read the fucking Bible is higher then among other religions because fuckwited christian radicals in the west are not actually connected to religion but are just empty pots that are filled with hatred and arrogance.

    Ask most self proclaimed christians any question regarding content of bible let us see how many of those christians actually know some of the content. Hell there are pastors that do not know jack shit about the bible. Religion in the west is a phony thing even for radicals they manifest their own believes before reading the book, but that is all besides the point everyone knows how vile this shit book is more vile than Quran less vile than Talmud and still only nutheads pretend there are no things like that happening. You are grasping to every straw you can imagine. Muslims do not do jackshit it is MErcenaries that are waving the Flag of fake radical Religion and are soley and exclusively raiding lands of secular muslim countries which are a thorn in the eye of Israel (Jewish) and USA (Christian). Of course you jews do not want to let the conversation lead in that direction. Keep your vile crap to yourself.

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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:56 pm

    you Jews...?

    I know, and you know too, that 1400 years is plenty of time to separate religion from state. The last time Germans killed each other over religion was in 1648 and for the French it was 1590s(?). Muslims might have embraced secularism in 1000 AD or 1500 AD or even in 1800 AD. They did not do it and this is not even incompetence, nor ignorance. This is idiocy and for idiocy one must pay. With blood.

    There was no law of physics preventing Saudi Arabs from killing Abdul Wahhab, wiping out Islamists, abolishing the monarchy and replacing it with limited republic by 1700s. Or was there?

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:20 pm

    Separation of religion of state is a bare minimum required to be called a civilized country - but it's an internal matter and every country should sort this problem on it's own. Britain, France, Germany, Austria, USA, Russia etc. (all European countries basically) all solved this problem at some point between late 17th and mid 19th century, at least to the degree that people are no longer punished for crimes against God (vestiges of state religion remain in every country). Britain did not need France to secularize, France did not need Britain, Germany did not need France and Austria etc.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:44 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Separation of religion of state is a bare minimum required to be called a civilized country  - but it's an internal matter and every country should sort this problem on it's own. Britain, France, Germany, Austria, USA, Russia etc. (all European countries basically) all solved this problem at some point between late 17th and mid 19th century, at least to the degree that people are no longer punished for crimes against God (vestiges of state religion remain in every country). Britain did not need France to secularize, France did not need Britain, Germany did not need France and Austria etc.

    Laizism is standard here in our so precious civilized western countries and still we behave like Vikings which were highly religious fanatics who believed they would meet their ancestors in vallhalla and that there was glory and honor in killing, raiding, plunding and rapping through villages of unarmed men, women and children. Civilized is just another pervertized term by the decadent west who has lost all civilized manners and i would even deny that they ever existed except among few.

    So are most "muslim" countries that do not punish people for not being muslim, joining other religion, being atheists or abusing the word of god, try to do something like that in Syria under Assad and same thing in Saudi Arabia you will notice a freakish difference when your head is on the chopping block.

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    Re: The Religion Thread

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:53 am

    Most Muslim countries have some anti-apostasy law. It varies from a monetary punishment in the least radical countries, to death in the most radical ones. None other major civilization (West, China, India) has similar laws.

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