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    US bought Su-27 to test countermeasures

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:09 pm

    Ukraine Russian armed U.S. fighters
    20.07.2009

    The Pentagon has purchased from Ukraine, two Air Force fighter Su-27 Russian-made. U.S. Air Force will use the aircraft to develop effective countermeasures. As the "New Region", the Russian fighter aircraft is a serious problem for the F-15 United States, which "dry" a few times in the exercises demonstrative "uterli nose." The Pentagon has long sought to acquire the existing designs, and Ukraine has helped to do so legally.

    A deal with the Ukrainian Air Force told the American military web portal strategypage.com. According to the resource, its characteristics Su-27 fighter aircraft like the F-15, but cheaper than its American rival by more than 30%.

    After the ignominious defeat F-15 U.S. military is seriously interested in a Russian fighter base.

    Military department concerned and the United States a growing number of sales of Su-27 and Su-30 around the world. In the past few years, Russia has supplied fighter jets Su-27/30 family in India, China, Malaysia, Venezuela, Indonesia and Algeria, where they formed the basis of the national Air Force.

    Before the United States military intelligence has been given the task to obtain samples of "driers". But the operation of hijacking Su-27 "defectors," ask the U.S. for political asylum in our time to look would be too implausible, and the cost would be expensive. To solve the problem on the cheap have helped America's friends surrounded the Ukrainian president. Now the U.S. military command was able with the help of fighters to prepare and train their pilots effectively counter the "dry" in the air.

    Su-27 (for the NATO Codification: Flanker - "The impact of flank) - Soviet / Russian highly maneuverable multi-purpose all-weather fighter-interceptor. Built in the OKB Sukhoi. Chief designer of the Su-27 - Mikhail Simonov.

    The first flight was carried out 20 May 1977. Series production was deployed on Aircraft them. Yuri Gagarin in Komsomolsk-na-Amur in 1982. In 1984, a fighter under the designation Su-27 adopted by the Soviet Army. The first public demonstration in June 1989 on-air show in Le Bourget.

    The main combat use - a heavy fighter-interceptor large range, the aircraft gaining superiority in the air. Based on the Su-27 developed by a large number of modifications: Training combat Su-27UB, deck fighter Su-33 and its training of combat changed Su-33UB, multipurpose fighter Su-30, Su-35 and Su-37, as well as tactical bomber Su-34 and others.

    To date, the Su-27 is a major Air Force aircraft in Russia, is in service in the CIS countries, China, India and other countries.

    Specifications

    Wing span - 14.7 m

    Wing area - 62 sq.m

    Length - 21.935 m

    Height - 5.935 m

    Empty weight of aircraft - 16000 kg

    Normal Takeoff Weight - 30000 kg

    Engine type - AL-31F

    Engine thrust, kgf - afterburner - 2 x 12500

    Maximum speed - 2500 km / h

    Practical flight range - 3900 km

    Service ceiling - 18,500 m

    Run-on Forsazh 650-700 m

    Mileage - 620-700 m

    Crew - 1 person.

    Armament

    Automatic gun single GSH-301 (30 mm, 1500 rds / min 150 rounds) rocket armament - and six guided missiles (SD) air-to-air medium-range type R-27, and four short-range SD-R 73 to TGS; the bomb caliber up to 500 kg and the total weight of up to 6000 kg (bags FAB-250) on four pylons, NURS, KMGU, vylivnye tanks and other weapons of uncontrolled air-to-surface missiles.
    17.07.2009

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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Vladislav on Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:24 pm

    Too bad they are a generation too late. The Su-35BM and Su-27SM are worlds apart from that relic.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:12 pm

    Vladislav wrote:Too bad they are a generation too late. The Su-35BM and Su-27SM are worlds apart from that relic.

    yeah.. however having a real one would be nice Very Happy
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:50 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    yeah.. however having a real one would be nice Very Happy

    You can go to Sokol and fly in it for $20K. I'm saving up for the trip.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:58 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    yeah.. however having a real one would be nice Very Happy

    You can go to Sokol and fly in it for $20K. I'm saving up for the trip.

    looks nice Very Happy

    hmm let's see whether i can "secure" some funds

    is it include some training on how to fly it ?
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:22 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:

    looks nice Very Happy

    hmm let's see whether i can "secure" some funds

    is it include some training on how to fly it ?

    Only training is pre-flight, basically what to do if something goes wrong. You will be flying in trainers so you can take the stick and if you mess up, the instructor can take over. I just checked the price list and a base Su-27 flight is only $16.5K for me. You can fly a MiG-29 for $12.5, or L-39 for $3.6. If you get the package price goes up b/c you will be getting accomodations included. I am just going to fly. Zhukovsky Airbase isn't 15km from my sister's flat.
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    Blackseafor warships call at Ukraine's Sevastopol port

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:21 am

    Blackseafor warships call at Ukraine's Sevastopol port
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    14/08/200914:55

    MOSCOW, August 14 (RIA Novosti) - Five warships from the Black Sea Naval Cooperation Task Group (Blackseafor) called on Friday at the port of Sevastopol, Ukraine, on a four-day goodwill visit.

    Formally established on Turkey's initiative in 2001, Blackseafor - which comprises Turkey, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania, Georgia and Russia - conducts search and rescue operations and environmental monitoring, and organizes goodwill visits among Black Sea countries.

    Its charter says Blackseafor can also be deployed for peacekeeping operations under a UN or OSCE mandate.

    This year's drills will be conducted under the command of the Bulgarian Navy.

    A spokesman for Russia's Black Sea Fleet has said the Blackseafor warships will practice, in particular, monitoring of commercial shipping, interception and pursuit of suspicious vessels, communications and tactical maneuvering.

    Georgian warships have not participated in the Blackseafor exercises for a number of years, and will not take part in the upcoming drills.

    Russia has said it will not take part in any joint naval exercises involving Georgian warships.

    Diplomatic ties were cut between Russia and Georgia after last August's war over South Ossetia, which began when Georgian forces attacked the province in an attempt to bring it back under central control.


    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2009/08/mil-090814-rianovosti03.htm
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    US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:24 pm

    The U.S. has provided the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in 2009, about 10 million dollars
    30.09.2009

    September 29. (ИТАР-ТАСС). (ITAR-TASS). The U.S. gave the Defense Ministry of Ukraine in 2009, assistance amounting to about 10 million dollars, said Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs, Alexander Vershbow, speaking at the Diplomatic Academy under the MFA of Ukraine. Including 7 million dollars will be directed at strengthening the Armed Forces (the purchase of machinery and equipment) and 1.77 million - in the Ukrainian military training program in the United States.

    Vershbow said that U.S. military training in the universities were more than 900 Ukrainians, including the generals.

    "The United States and Ukraine are members of an important strategic partnership" - said the deputy minister.  He believes that "Ukraine's European integration will give greater stability to Europe." "U.S. support for an in-depth cooperation between Ukraine and NATO" - continued Vershbow.  He was confident that "NATO's door open to Ukraine, but Ukraine is a member of the Alliance - it must tackle the Ukrainians."

    Vershbow welcomed the formation of Ukrainian joint tactical Command and Special Operations Command.  At the same time, he expressed regret that Parliament did not allow an international military exercises "Sea Breeze" and "Rapid Trident, which is why it was canceled.

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    Quite frankly I am tired of US meddling in our affairs.  Ukraine takes this money and equips and trains our enemies.  They are a rogue US proxy regime and there time is coming to an end.  Don't be suprised if you see Ukraine-Russo relations deteriorate in the next couple years.  War is not out of the question.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Jelena on Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:50 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Quite frankly I am tired of US meddling in our affairs. Ukraine takes this money and equips and trains our enemies. They are a rogue US proxy regime and there time is coming to an end. Don't be suprised if you see Ukraine-Russo relations deteriorate in the next couple years. War is not out of the question.

    What do you think about Y.Timoshenko ? I have seen that she is the one that Kremlin supports, judging by the gas deal she got for Ukraine... Is she the best candidate to be supported and the one to be trusted?
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:53 pm

    Jelena wrote:

    What do you think about Y.Timoshenko ? I have seen that she is the one that Kremlin supports, judging by the gas deal she got for Ukraine... Is she the best candidate to be supported and the one to be trusted?

    Yulia likes to ride the fence between East and West. She thinks the US and Europe should "contain" Russia while avoid sparking a new Cold War. She wants them to bypass Russia as the source of gaz. As the gaz queen herself, she cannot be trusted in this sphere but she does not want to join NATO. She is better than Yushenko.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:18 pm

    On a sidenote...

    "Acting Ukrainian Defense Minister Valeriy Ivashchenko said that the state of good repair of aviation equipment - bases combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - is assessed as "critical" and has a strong tendency towards a subsequent decline."

    Ukraine is getting weaker by the day... a few more years of modernisation of Russian forces should have us prepared for an invasion to take out this rouge regime.
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    US Warship Calls at Ukrainian Port Amid Protests

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:07 pm

    US Warship Calls at Ukrainian Port Amid Protests

    A U.S. guided missile cruiser stopped at the Ukrainian Black Sea port of Sevastopol on Thursday with a group of some 50 protesters chanting “Yankee, go home!” and “No to NATO!”

    The USS Vella Gulf (CG 72), a Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser, is on a mission in the Black Sea and is to visit the ports of Constanta, Sevastopol and Odessa.

    It carries 26 Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of up to 3,000 kilometers and has elements of a missile defense system on board.

    The protesters also burned a U.S. flag featuring Nazi swastika instead of stars.

    Yevhen Dubovik, a protest organizer, said the visit was illegal because it had not been authorized by Ukraine’s parliament.

    “Nevertheless, a warship has called here that has offensive weapons on board and it is not ruled out that if it receives orders it will deliver a strike on Iran in close proximity to our coast,” he said.

    “Thus Ukraine, a state not affiliated with any military blocs, may automatically become involved in an international conflict.”

    The USS Vella Gulf is to remain in Sevastopol until January 31. A number of joint tactical exercises with Ukrainian naval units have been planned.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120126/170963407.html
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:08 pm

    Kiev wants to invite NATO experts to train Ukrainians mobilized into army

    “We are taking an active part in negotiations to attract NATO experts from the United States,” Yuriy Chizhmar in charge of military work at the Society of Assistance to the Defense of Ukraine said

    KIEV, January 19 /TASS/. Ukraine wants to invite American NATO experts to teach an art of war to mobilized Ukrainians, Yuriy Chizhmar who is in charge of military and patriotic work at the Society of Assistance to the Defense of Ukraine told a news conference in Kiev on Monday.

    “We are taking an active part in negotiations to attract NATO experts from the United States,” he said.

    At the same time, NATO has already launched some military training programs in Ukraine. “We are training about 100 people at our weekly course of intensive NATO training. They acquire military professions of a machine gunner, a submachine-gunner, and so on,” Chizhmar said.

    A Ukrainian delegation will take part in meetings of the NATO military committee on January 20-22. The sides will also discuss prospects of military cooperation in the Ukraine-NATO format.

    The fourth round of mobilization is kicking off in Ukraine on January 20 following a decree signed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko. The next round of mobilization will be held in April and June. Additional 50,000 people are going to be mobilized.

    The Society of Assistance to the Defense of Ukraine is a socio-patriotic and sport association of citizens. Over years of Ukraine’s independence, its educational establishments have trained about 500,000 experts in various military professions for the need of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and other military units.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:33 am

    US Allocates Additional $75Mln to Support Ukrainian Defense Capability

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    US Trainers To Deploy To Ukraine

    Post  F-15E on Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:13 pm

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/army/2015/01/21/ukraine-us-army-russia/22119315/
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:48 am

    What a double standard... the west alleges that Russia is interfering in the conflict in the Ukraine and imposes sanctions against Russia because of that.

    Here the US is clearly openly training and likely equipping one side in the conflict... WTF... why is the US allowed to interfere and Russia is not?

    Fucking two faced Americans...


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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:13 pm

    US Training for Ukrainian Military Underway

    A former top US Pentagon official said at an Atlantic Council conference that US training for the Ukrainian military is underway and being directed from NATO and the US Embassy in Kiev.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — US training for the Ukrainian military is underway and being directed from NATO and the US Embassy in Kiev, former top US Pentagon official Jan Lodal said at an Atlantic Council conference.

    “There is quite a bit of American effort underway, some of it from NATO and some of it from the embassy in Ukraine,” Lodal said Monday of US military training being given to Ukrainian officers. For US specialists to provide the additional training being considered, Lodal commented, “Americans would have to be in Ukraine to do this additional training.”

    Lodal, who served as the Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and was also a senior staff member of the National Security Council, is part of a team of former US officials who drafted a report calling on the US government to provide lethal and non-lethal military aid to Ukraine.

    Former US ambassador to Ukraine Steven Pifer verified Lodal’s statements at the Atlantic Council saying that US personnel are already “training four battalions of Ukrainian National Guard.” Pifer, who is also an author of the report, stated that the training is taking place in Ukraine’s far west, near the border with Poland “well away from the conflict zone.”

    Former Pentagon official, Lodal further commented that the United States already has “an infrastructure there,” which should be able to handle the “additional” and “stepped up” military training, which is being recommended in the report released by the former US officials. According to the experts’ report, the training would mostly deal with operating new defensive weapons system and improving command and control.

    Asked whether additional US training would take place in Ukraine or if officers would be brought to the United States, Lodal acknowledged he was uncertain “whether it would be possible to bring some Ukrainian officers or officials to the United States.”

    Since last year, the United States has provided Ukraine with radar systems and has put military advisors and special forces on the ground in Ukraine, according to statement this past summer by US European Command.

    The White House announced Monday it is still assessing its policies regarding providing lethal and other military assistance to the government in Ukraine.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150203/1017684601.html#ixzz3QgBRL2VI

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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  F-15E on Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:37 pm

    US Reportedly Considering Supplies of Javelin Antitank Missiles to Ukraine

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150203/1017695827.html
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  TR1 on Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:07 pm

    F-15E wrote:US Reportedly Considering Supplies of Javelin Antitank Missiles to Ukraine

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150203/1017695827.html

    Short range, long deployment time.....what a useless replacement for what they already have.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:18 am

    Hehehehe... play some CIA games and offer $500K to any Ukrainian soldier who surrenders with an intact Javelin... Double the offer for any rebel with the same...


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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:32 am

    US to Deploy Six National Guard Companies to Ukraine This Week
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:06 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:US Reportedly Considering Supplies of Javelin Antitank Missiles to Ukraine

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150203/1017695827.html

    Short range, long deployment time.....what a useless replacement for what they already have.


    Ukrainians seem to have capable ATGMs and just look at the terrain. Javelin would be useless. TOW2 would be something better for them.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:49 pm

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-02/despite-russian-warnings-us-will-deploy-battalion-ukraine-end-week?page=1

    US will break the cease fire agreement by next week.
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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:06 am

    Well I don't think that if the US sends in troops... even just for training, that Russia should do the same, but I think that Russia should start supplying the rebels with explosives and training... and some long range sniper rifles might be useful too.

    The huge irony is that the Ukraine probably has plenty of weapons and ammo and they will suffer most if both sides get weapon supplies from an outside power...

    Maybe Russia should cultivate some terrorist activity in the west like the Ukrainians were threatening to do in Russia... it is not getting much credit for keeping its nose out. Take precautions to ensure only nazis are killed... it might shorten the war and bring the remaining nazis to the table with a genuine interest in ending the conflict. As it is the nazis will likely only retain power while it is marshal law so really they wont have many other reasons for a peaceful settlement.

    Perhaps a unilaterally imposed no fly zone over most of the Ukraine? Razz


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    Re: US - Ukraine Defence Cooperation:

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:08 pm

    Verkhovna Rada Approves Bill to Let Foreign Troops in Ukraine

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150317/1019620425.html#ixzz3UgB7m300

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