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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Regular on Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:15 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Both sides have access to good intel. So it all boils down to numbers, training, equipment and good command - just like at Kursk. Wink
    Kursk was like professional boxing match compared to what we see now - hobo fights. One of them is big fatty and his liver is failing as we speak. Another guy is skinny pete on bath salts, a guy with double personality who can bite Your balls off just around Mariupol if You don't keep guard low.

    Even the numbers Ukro can throw at seps are pathetic. It seems their logistics can't cope with number of troops they are deploying. I bet it takes a lot to keep artillery blazzin 24/7. I do hope their push(if it's happening) will be grinded to bits.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:42 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Both sides have access to good intel. So it all boils down to numbers, training, equipment and good command - just like at Kursk. Wink

    Good intel what's that?

    Seen Ukrop trenches lately? It's abysmally bad. Thank God they're not into a real shooting war or this would be worse than Iraq.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:50 pm

    BKP wrote:
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    higurashihougi wrote:Now that's why Maidanists list Trump as "enemy of Ukraina" Surprised

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20150817/1025818360.html#ixzz3j1N7zACc

    Donald Trump: Ukraine Crisis Is Problem of Europe, Not US

    I think Trump is a fake, US oligarchs never seem to win the elections, I think he was chosen to take the heat off Clinton. She is the real threat to global peace.

    Oligarchs are the only ones who can compete in US elections.

    Trump is no man of the people, but he did drop a couple of huge truth bombs during the recent republican debate. He flat-out said that US politicians are owned lock, stock and barrel by the American aristocracy.

    Mike Whitney wrote a good, short piece in regard to it:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/07/trumps-triumph-billionaire-blowhard-exposes-fake-political-system/

    He's convinced that for blurting out the unmentionable in front of much of the country, Trump will be torn down by the US oligarchy, even though he's is one of their own. The oligarchs own all the major media, so I imagine that he is correct about that. They will Howard Dean his ass one way or the other.


    US political system is in desperate need for shakeup and I don't say that just because of foreign policy and wars.

    Keep in mind that there are nearly 400 million people living in that country and a lot of them are stuck in a very dangerous and fragile loop while their politicians gamble with theirs as well as lives of people abroad.

    USA now is repeating same mistakes that led to collapse of USSR which is, they are wasting time, money, reputation and lives trying to impose their ideology on rest of the planet instead of looking after the interest of their own population.

    When USSR collapsed, entire continent was thrown into chaos. If USA goes down the same path entire planet will be in chaos.

    Donald Trump may have his share of flaws but given the alternatives offered, he is by far the best choice right now.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:51 pm

    Kotemore, what do you mean?

    There is no way Ukrainians aren't receiving satellite photos from the US. There is no way to plan a alrge scale offensive without them. Likewise, NAF must have access to satellite photos of Ukro positions

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:56 pm

    Cassad relaeased a new blog entry enitled "O poterakh VSU" (about the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine). My knowledge of Russian is limited, could someone translate it?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:02 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Kotemore, what do you mean?

    There is no way Ukrainians aren't receiving satellite photos from the US. There is no way to plan a alrge scale offensive without them. Likewise, NAF must have access to satellite photos of Ukro positions

    ... The issue is this, satellite imagery helps him who understand them. Debaltsevo was exactly known from both parts. The attack on Elenovka as well, tell me how these great warriors managed to fuck up operation after operation over time, if that imagery was available. Because satellite pictures can't help understanding your own on the ground issue.

    Take the basic four point trenches the Ukrops use. It's a four point mini salient that forces the attacking forces to embrace the position therefore concentrating instead of spreading. Well taken as whole the system, which isn't Soviet BTW, can work, but planting those everywhere without coherent coordination makes only isolated pockets that can be treated fairly easily. Such a point was shown at Sanzharovka during Debal. However, the point, despite offering great momentaneous resistance, fell quiite easily. Under a two attacks. It cost three tanks and a BTR but the position was lost.

    The other isssue regards the level of capability from the UA forces. Defending they can do, supporting an attack they can't. COunter attacking they can't.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:10 pm


    ''Ukraine Soldiers Killing Themselves at an Alarming Rate''

    http://russia-insider.com/en/over-100-suicides-among-ukrainian-soldiers-reported-beginning-fighting-donbas/ri9233

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Neutrality on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:14 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Cassad relaeased a new blog entry enitled "O poterakh VSU" (about the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine). My knowledge of Russian is limited, could someone translate it?

    It's an appeal to Kiev residents. I guess it's one of the medics who wrote this.

    -In the last weeks the amount of wounded has increased. Every day there are 20 to 25 heavily wounded.
    -Medics perform surgeries every day from the early morning until late.
    -Hospital laundry has been out of service for 2 weeks. Reasons are "unknown".
    -Not enough materials to perform surgeries.

    Then follows a whole list of what they need. It's so bad they are even requesting trash bags. Yes, trash bags, you read that right. They also ran out of clean linnen apparently.

    Well what can I say. Glory to Ukraine and its heroes. RIP in pieces.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:19 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Kotemore, what do you mean?

    There is no way Ukrainians aren't receiving satellite photos from the US. There is no way to plan a alrge scale offensive without them. Likewise, NAF must have access to satellite photos of Ukro positions

    ... The issue is this, satellite imagery helps him who understand them. Debaltsevo was exactly known from both parts. The attack on Elenovka as well, tell me how these great warriors managed to fuck up operation after operation over time, if that imagery was available. Because satellite pictures can't help understanding your own on the ground issue.

    Take the basic four point trenches the Ukrops use. It's a four point mini salient that forces  the attacking forces to embrace the position therefore concentrating instead of spreading. Well taken as whole the system, which isn't Soviet BTW, can work, but planting those everywhere without coherent coordination makes only isolated pockets that can be treated fairly easily. Such a point was shown at Sanzharovka during Debal. However, the point, despite offering great momentaneous resistance, fell quiite easily. Under a two attacks. It cost three tanks and a BTR but the position was lost.

    The other isssue regards the level of capability from the UA forces. Defending they can do, supporting an attack they can't. COunter attacking they can't.

    It only proves that Ukrainian army is made of incompetent bums.

    If Ukrainian army can't even build a simple defensive position right, then it's even better for the NAF!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:23 pm

    2 Maidan soldiers KIA and 7 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday cheers

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:26 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Cassad relaeased a new blog entry enitled "O poterakh VSU" (about the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine). My knowledge of Russian is limited, could someone translate it?

    It's an appeal to Kiev residents. I guess it's one of the medics who wrote this.

    -In the last weeks the amount of wounded has increased. Every day there are 20 to 25 heavily wounded.
    -Medics perform surgeries every day from the early morning until late.
    -Hospital laundry has been out of service for 2 weeks. Reasons are "unknown".
    -Not enough materials to perform surgeries.

    Then follows a whole list of what they need. It's so bad they are even requesting trash bags. Yes, trash bags, you read that right. They also ran out of clean linnen apparently.

    Well what can I say. Glory to Ukraine and its heroes. RIP in pieces.
    This is yet another confirmation that Ukr claims of 2400 dead soldiers is a load of BS... together with FV's hurraoptimistic "2 dead, 7 wounded"...

    IF there are 20-25 heavily wounded arriving every day in a single hospital in Kyiv, then how many are arriving in other hospitals in Kyiv? How many are arriving in hospitals all accross the country? There are hospitals with intensive care units in Poltava, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk that are all closer to the frontline. It makes no sense to transport wounded soldiers to Kyiv except if all hospitals close to the frontline are already filled.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Dforce on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:35 pm

    Let me just state the obvious: There will not be any Ukrainian offensive.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:37 pm

    Dforce wrote:Let me just state the obvious: There will not be any Ukrainian offensive.

    There is a good saying. When the arrow is on the bow, it will surely be let loose. The entire Ukrainian army is concentrated on the point of contact less than a kilometer from Donetsk. Trust me hun, there will be a Ukrainian offensive.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  BKP on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:42 pm

    It's getting weird. It sounds like Ukes have moved new forces into position, signifying a new outright attack on Novo is imminent. Shelling and skirmishes have escalated. But, there's little mention of this on the better known news sources that regularly cover Russia/Ukraine topics in English, or feature English-translation of their articles. Tass had the piece regarding Lavrov's statement, but I'm not seeing much else. Strange.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  BKP on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Donald Trump may have his share of flaws but given the alternatives offered, he is by far the best choice right now.

    Last OT from me about Trump (?). A lot of people I know are in a panic about ol' Don... "OMG, if HE gets in we're really f*cked!" I just laugh at that notion and reply with "yeah? As compared to which other choice out of that rogue's gallery and roster of frauds?" And if trump looks sort of ridiculous, with this hideous toupee and whatnot, well the whole national state of affairs is ridiculous, so I find it quite appropriate.

    Also, I think people overestimate what any president can realistically expect to accomplish in terms of a personal agenda. In practice, any US president's options are heavily circumscribed by the deep state.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:11 pm

    Regular wrote:
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    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Time for NAF to learn from their forefathers at Kursk - three strong defensive lines with minefields, camouflaged AT ditches, tanks and AT positions, well hidden gun emplacements + strategic reserve to contain a breakthrough in case it occurs.

    A must watch for everyone:

    The forefathers didn't have to worry about UAVs and military satellites telling the enemy exactly what you have and where.
    But they had to worry about effective tactics, good commanders, higly trained and motivated personel, advanced weapons.
    And Ukrainian army is nothing like Wermach. Well maybe in it's last days;)
    Without wanting to diminish the stunning performance of the Red Army at Kursk in any way, they did have in advance, courtesy of British Intelligence at Bletchley Park (both officially and via the Russian spy there), the 'central facts' German battle plan so they had a good idea where to place their forces in advance.

    Whilst this time the NAF will probably have less knowledge of the UA plans than last year as many or most Moscow friendly UA officers will have been weeded out and heavy US security imposed, including encryption on the buried wires and networks the Russians should have been tapping.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:12 pm

    Dforce wrote:Let me just state the obvious: There will not be any Ukrainian offensive.
    Might need to quote you in the future Smile

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:36 pm

    Dforce wrote:Let me just state the obvious: There will not be any Ukrainian offensive.

    Doesn't compute with the current buildup. Neither does it with the current shelling. If Ukraine doesn't want to attack, it surely takes ambiguity to a whole new level. Ukraine does want to attack, even a little.
    And doesn't compute with the reality on the ground. Decaying the situation, is was Putin was asking for, he got it. The ones who need desperately an attack are the Ukrainians.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:02 pm

    Kotemore, what exactly is the frontline strength of both sides? How many men, tanks, art pieces? I know it's over 50k at each side but I don't have precise numbers.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:05 pm

    Dforce wrote:Let me just state the obvious: There will not be any Ukrainian offensive.

    Works either way for NAF. thumbsup russia

    Let me state the obvious as well:

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:14 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Kotemore, what exactly is the frontline strength of both sides? How many men, tanks, art pieces? I know it's over 50k at each side but I don't have precise numbers.

    There's no way to know that with any accuracy. The current forces must stand around 25K for NAF with about 10/15K "reserves" and probably 5/10K Northern Tajfun just in case.
    Ukropia has shown very limited means on first hand. So far from all the BS, I've seen means for about 30K people on the lines, I'd say if they have 40 thousand in arms facing NAF that's about right. There are as per accounts 20K reserves plus scrape from the NatsGuard. NATO says it has/is train(ed)ing about 4 000 people (UK 1+1coming, US 1750 NG and Paras so far, about 300 from Baltic douches).

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:19 pm

    Remember kids, drugs are bad, m'kay!!!

    One minute you are in the cockpit high as a kite and next minute Lord Almighty himself is punishing you for invading holy land of Ukropistan, aka Country 404. affraid drunken pwnd

    Ukrainian Media ‘Burn Down 140 Passengers’ at Moscow Airport


    http://sputniknews.com/art_living/20150817/1025830714.html

    When it comes to news about Russia, Ukrainian media are pretty good at making things up. The more frightening – the better, their logic is, TV Channel Zvezda said.

    Ukrainian portal News Daily reported that in Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport the lightning struck at a plane and burned to death 140 passengers flying from Moscow to Astrakhan on Sunday.

    "At the height of about 3,500 meters, the plane's crew saw a bright flash and felt a strong blow. Then the plane burst into flame and literally burned in the air. Wreckage and the remains of burned passengers are being gathered around the entire the airport," Ukrainian News Daily reported.

    The source also concluded that pilots were under the influence of drug and neglected safety measures.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Neutrality on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:23 pm

    Laws of war state that you need 3 times the force of your opponent in order to carry out a successful offensive. Does Kiev have that? Let's assume they do. But what does that mean exactly for Kiev? Their army, even if they significantly outnumber the NAF, are in a terrible condition. Wars need (good) logistics too and AFAIK Kiev's logistics are terrible and that's assuming NAF doesn't attack them. There are so many weak points within the Ukrainian military and the NAF can choose any in order to weaken and decimate the VSU. This is not even mentioning the glaring holes in intelligence. Rest assured that Moscow has plenty of moles within the ranks of the VSU.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:30 pm

    NAF reported 5 civilians killed last night by Maidan shelling.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Chersonesus on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:09 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Chersonesus wrote:Sparta battalion has released a video of its museum showing the smaller trophies from the battles. They appear to have captured a minigun (0:40 into video). Before and after photos of a group of cyborgs.

    youtube.com/watch?v=l-i5F_n84jc

    Looks like a Shipunov 7.62mm. From Crocodile gunpod?

    That looks about right. I'm sure it would appeal to the Ukrop's US-style macho instinct.

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