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    Japan vs USSR war 1990 [hypothetical scenario]

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    nastle77

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    Harpoon missile

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:30 pm

    When the harpoon missile became widespread in the 80s it must have been a huge threat for soviet navy
    What tactics and weapons did it rely on to defeat them and judging by evidence availAble how successful they would have been?
    Which soviet naval SAMs can counter harpoon with realistic chances of success ?
    The larger soviet ships had several gating guns did they constitute a credible defence ?
    Did Soviets have a capability to use ECM against harpoon as it was a active radar homing weapon ?
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    Re: Japan vs USSR war 1990 [hypothetical scenario]

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:17 am

    The defences of Soviet navy vessels were optimised to defeat their own wide range of anti ship weapons... so the only virtue of the Harpoon was its numbers and I honestly don't think in this case it would have been that decisive as they had a lot of engagement channels to defeat enemy air threats.

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    Re: Japan vs USSR war 1990 [hypothetical scenario]

    Post  nastle77 on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:51 am

    GarryB wrote:The defences of Soviet navy vessels were optimised to defeat their own wide range of anti ship weapons... so the only virtue of the Harpoon was its numbers and I honestly don't think in this case it would have been that decisive as they had a lot of engagement channels to defeat enemy air threats.
    But didn't the harpoon proved invulnerable to all soviet SAM and CIWS?
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    Re: Japan vs USSR war 1990 [hypothetical scenario]

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:18 am

    But didn't the harpoon proved invulnerable to all soviet SAM and CIWS?

    Hahahahahaha... where did that crap come from?

    Harpoons have sunk some Iraqi Osa corvettes, an Iranian frigate made by the British, other than that it has a very patchy record.

    Most Soviet CIWSs and SAMs were optimised for intercepting Soviet anti ship missiles... ie faster and much more capable threats...

    Of course on paper the British should have been safe from exocets in the early 1980s as they have Exocet missiles in their own inventory... but sometimes they do get through.

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    Japanese self-defense Force

    Post  nastle77 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:20 pm

    How do the 2 compare in 1980s era

    Soviet SAG
    1 Kiev 8 x SSN-12 sandbox
    2 Kyndas 8 x SSN-3 b Shaddock
    2 Sovermenyy 8 x SSN-22
    2 Udaloy no SSM but extensive SAM
    supported by 4 SSN like Victor III or Charlie I/II with type 76 longe range ASUW torpedoes or SSN-7/9

    vs

    4 Hatsuyuki class DD + 3 Asagiri class destroyers
    each with 8 x Harpoon
    with ASROC

    supposing neither side has any decisive air support

    IMHO these are the pros and cons of each side

    Jap
    Modern ASM like Harpoon
    good anti-missile defences like CIWS and sea sparrow


    Soviet
    mixed type of ASM
    Longer ranged high speed ASM like P-500 bazalt and SSN-22 are advanced and former is long range
    SSN-7/9 can be fired by submerged submarines out of range of DD ASROC
    long range SSN-3b is primitive system and kyndas are not well protected with CIWS and SAM

    what do you guys think ? which one will win

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