Dorfmeister wrote:eehnie wrote:Here most the rest of the basics. You can do the track of every unit of big non-combat aircrafts purchased by the Russian Armed Forces since 1997, except the recent orders of the Il-96, that surely will be included in some time:
http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Ilushin/Il-96 (not enough updated)
The list you quoted is perfectly up to date: we can discuss the fact that both 96101 and 96103 haven't been noted as "IL-96-400TZ" (but that's quite logical as works are underway) for the rest even the planes which are being built right now are mentionned in the list.
About the recents orders, nobody knows exactly which variant will be produced and in which numbers: so there's no point in mentionning them in a list as long as nothing is know about them...
And I can't agree more with wilhelm: you simply can't replace an An-22 with a "modified" Il-96... The Il-96 would be a great platform (even more with new engines) as a tanker, flying command post or AWACS but simply put it can't be used for oversized loads or heavy loads like an T-14 tank or a T-90MS AND that's logical: it hasn't been designed for such jobs.
Reports of 2015 talk about 11 orders of Il-96 by the Russian ministery of Defense for different roles. Some used aircrafts modified, others totally new. There are reports of the fist deliveries. Some reports even give the reference of which will be the modified aircrafts (one example is the RA-96104) I see not all it reflected in the link, despite it the link is very good and this why I posted it.
The Il-96 was not designed to be a tanker, but it is now doing the work (with the first units delivered). What I said about the Il-96 in relation with a replacement of the the An-22 is that I would think twice before to rule out the Il-96. It has the right size, it has done the aerodynamical balance, it has the engines, it has the main structure, which is able to support even higher payload than the An-22, and the Il-106 is too far. With some changes, minor changes in overal terms (without changes in the engines, in the external dimenssions or in the main structure of the aircraft and its nodes), I would check the possibility of having a new version with a different cargo cabin and different distribution of doors more adapted to military loads, with the use if necessary of external ramps.
The main question about a replacement like this of the An-22, is not in the features of the aircrafts. It is a lot easier than this. We are not talking about a future replacement, the replacement is being done. We need only to look at what has been done and at what is being done.
Who replaced the retired units of the An-22? Who is taking loads moved before by these aircrafts. It is as difficult to identify them? No. It is something happening before our eyes. The loads of the retired An-22 are not quiet waiting, are being moved by who replaced the retired units of the An-22. We need only to do the track to see that until now the Il-76 has been key in the replacement of the retired units of the An-22.
Who will replace the remaining units of the An-22? Who take the loads moved by these aircrafts. It is as difficult to identify them? No. New big aircrafts are being ordered, while some others are being retired. Oredered: Il-96 (modified) and Il-76/78/A-50. Retired: An-22 and Il-76/78/A-50. Nothing else because there are not changes in the fleets of An-124, Il-62 and Il-86/80, and new models of aircraft are too far to come.
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