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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:50 am

    The exhaustion of aircrafts is an accumulative process. There is a moment where the limits are reached (the standard limits allowed by the Russian Armed Froces), and the aircrafts are retired, canibalized and decomissioned.

    The question is that if there is a good amount, even big amount of aircrafts that are reaching over 50 years old without reaching mechanical exhaustion is because they had an entire life working with low level of loads and keep still a mechanical reserve to be used despite the age.

    Russia has been working in agreement with this situation, it explains how many aircrafts have been in the reserve despite to be young, and returned later again to the active service after older aircrafts have been decommissioned. They worked effectively by this way in order to reach the total exhaustion of the models of aircrafts and helicopters which production finnished before 1985, including the An-22 and the Mi-6/10. that are almost totally retired. The alone exception is the An-10/12 that they wanted to keep longer.

    Neither the total exhaustion of the An-22 (today only 4 in active service and 5 in the reserve which canibalization is being done) or the Mi-6/10 (today 0 in active service and 19 in the reserve which canibalization has been done in favor of the units to remain as monuments) means a problem for the Russian Armed Forces, because the Russian Armed Forces have a reserve of aircrafts and helicopters of close size cathegories, more than enough to absorb the loads moved today by the last units of these models working. And the total exhaustion of both will be very likely finnished under the 2018-2025 State Armament Program. Both will have a replacement because are in some of the most useful effective and profitable size cathegories of transport aircrafts and helicopters looking at the future, but the succession is not something forced because of lack of alternative to move the loads of the An-22 and the Mi-6/10.

    Between the aircrafts in active service or reserve from 1967 or before (that will have 50 years old by the begin of 2018) I counted:

    69 An-2

    37 (9 active 28 reserve) An-10/12
    07 (5 active 2 reserve) Il-18/20/22

    Russia obviously has been keeping units of the An-10/12 and the Il-18/20/22 with low use in order to use other aircrafts. And this has been possible only thanks to have a fleet bigger than the real needs all these years. With this situation of delay in the exhaustion of units of the An-10/12 and the Il-18/20/22 because of low use, it is obvious that Russia is not in a hurry to build new transport aircrafts at this point and for some years, because the same effect is also observed for other younger models of aircrafts and helicopters. As consequence we will see low production under the 2018-2025 State Armament Program. The work in this timeline will be focused in the development of transport aircrafts and helicopters for the current new generation.

    But even in these two cases, it is possible to see in the structure of active/reserve aircrafts (specially evident in the case of the Il-18/20/22), how Russia has been working and is working right on it. Now after the exhaustion of older models of small airliners, the use of the Il-18/20/22 is intense, with almost all the remaining units in active service, while the use of the Tu-134 remains lower, waiting still.

    Even more significative is the delay in the exhaustion of the An-2. At the current rythm a good number of aircrafts will reach 60 years old remaining in active service. Surely here Russia needs to do a planning for a faster total exhaustion of this aircraft, likely directing loads from helicopters to this aircraft. The presence of the An-2 still makes the Russian military air fleet to look older and less advanced than it is in reality. Almost all the remaining An-2 are from the 1958-1970 period with only 1 older and 6 younger. With this prospect, to think about military orders of some aircraft of the same type is fairly out of touch. Not even of the L-410 (the company that have been producing them declared bankruptcy after to try to move the production to Russia).


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:57 am

    GarryB wrote:Ideally the VDV should have its own fleet of transports... they are the elite and need to have their own transports... you can't have a fire department that needs to phone a fire engine hire service to borrow fire engines when a house catches fire... you can't risk that someone already has not hired a fire engine for a party and the result is a burned down house.

    To be truly independent and capable they need their own fleet of planes ready to move when they are.

    I do not agree, they do not need to be independent, they need to do they job right. They are experts on their own warfare and fighting tactics. That is all.

    Transport aircrafts need air escorts, need pilots well trained,... I expect you be not thinking about a fleet of own fighters or their own pilot training school for the VDV.

    In fact independence is not a good thing for a military branch.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:41 pm

    Im not between the people that thinks that small airliner and transport aircrafts have a good prospect in the future. I do not advise to bet on them in overall terms.

    Now there is a project, the Il-112, that is being justified as replacement of the An-24/26/30/32, more concretely the transport variants.

    Before to bet on this aircraft I would recommend to look at the exhaustion model followed by the An-24 and its impact in the orders by the ministery of defense of the Il-114.

    The An-24 is the earliest variant of the An-24/26/30/32 and as consequence the most aged and the first being retired. In fact, today the process of retirement of the An-24 is so advanced like we can see here:

    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Antonov/An-24

    Between the aircrafts owned by the Russian Aerospace Force and the Russian Naval Aviation, only one remains in active service:

    https://russianplanes.net/reginfo/8412

    The number of aircrafts listed as present in the reserve would be bigger still, with 29 in the Russian Aerospace Force and 3 in the Russian Naval Aviation. Surely it would be possible to make to fly to some unit else, but it seems that these aircrafts will be canibalized by the transport variants of the An-24/26/30/32.
    Today a majority of the An-24 are listed as monuments and as decommissioned (by different reasons), 40 in the Russian Aerospace Force and 2 in the Russian Naval Aviation.

    Obviously except the alone aircraft in active service, no-one more keeps a load of work. The loads of the rest of the aircrafts have been assumed by other aircrafts present today in the Russian Armed Forces. But these aircrafts are not of a model of airliner aircraft of the size cathegory of the An-24. Newer airliners of this size cathegory like the Il-114 never were procured:

    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Ilushin/Il-114
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4312p75-russian-transport-aircraft-fleet-vta#189143

    The main reason for the lack of orders and procurement of airliner aircrafts of this size has been the disadvantage in costs per person and Km, and the presence of big number of more profitable airliner aircrafts of bigger size, like the Il-18/20/22 or the Tu-134.

    Looking at the transport variants of the An-24/26/30/32, the things can go by the same way. I do not advise to bet on the Il-112. The main problem is in the structural disadvantage of small aircrafts on costs per Kg and Km.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:12 am

    I do not agree, they do not need to be independent, they need to do they job right. They are experts on their own warfare and fighting tactics. That is all.

    They rely on DA (Transport aviation) to have enough aircraft available for them to do their job.... the DA don't always keep enough aircraft available.

    Cancelling an exercise is a problem, but for operations not having aircraft would be critical.

    Like I said.... there is no point in having a fire department that does not have its own fire engines and just hires them when it needs them.


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:15 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I do not agree, they do not need to be independent, they need to do they job right. They are experts on their own warfare and fighting tactics. That is all.

    They rely on DA (Transport aviation) to have enough aircraft available for them to do their job.... the DA don't always keep enough aircraft available.

    Cancelling an exercise is a problem, but for operations not having aircraft would be critical.

    Like I said.... there is no point in having a fire department that does not have its own fire engines and just hires them when it needs them.

    There is not reason to think that the Airborne Troops would manage better the transport aircrafts. In fact transport aircrafts are not the speciality of the VDV, while they are the speciality of the BTA. As consequence it is right to think that the BTA can manage better the air transport fleet than the VDV.

    Taking your example:

    Fire engine, firefighting aircrafts <=> BMDs, 2S9, 2S25,... (directly used to solve the mission)

    land road <=> Transport aircraft, land road (way to reach the location of the mission)

    Like a fire departament owns not the roads used to reach the fire and care not about their construction or maintenance, the VDV owns not the transport aircrafts to reach the location of their missions, and neither owns the roads when they move on land instead than on air. Transport aircrafts are for the VDV like air roads where they travel to reach the location of their mission.


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:17 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I do not agree, they do not need to be independent, they need to do they job right. They are experts on their own warfare and fighting tactics. That is all.

    They rely on DA (Transport aviation) to have enough aircraft available for them to do their job.... the DA don't always keep enough aircraft available.

    Cancelling an exercise is a problem, but for operations not having aircraft would be critical.

    Like I said.... there is no point in having a fire department that does not have its own fire engines and just hires them when it needs them.

    DA= Дальняя авиация = Long-Range Aviation (Strategic bombers)
    BTA= Военная транспортная авиация = Military Transport Aviation
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:40 am


    DA= Дальняя авиация = Long-Range Aviation (Strategic bombers)
    BTA= Военная транспортная авиация = Military Transport Aviation

    Thanks for the correction....

    There is not reason to think that the Airborne Troops would manage better the transport aircrafts. In fact transport aircrafts are not the speciality of the VDV, while they are the speciality of the BTA. As consequence it is right to think that the BTA can manage better the air transport fleet than the VDV.

    The BTA can't make aircraft appear from thin air.

    I have read an article where a high up official in the VDV complained that exercises didn't take place in the 1990s because fuel was no available and aircraft were not available.

    Imagine if they needed them in an emergency... there was little to no warning regarding the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia, so zero chance the VDV could intervene immediately from the air... there was simply no available air transport.

    It is not about managing aircraft, it is allocating resources that are needed to the forces that need them.


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    DA= Дальняя авиация = Long-Range Aviation (Strategic bombers)
    BTA= Военная транспортная авиация = Military Transport Aviation

    Thanks for the correction....

    There is not reason to think that the Airborne Troops would manage better the transport aircrafts. In fact transport aircrafts are not the speciality of the VDV, while they are the speciality of the BTA. As consequence it is right to think that the BTA can manage better the air transport fleet than the VDV.

    The BTA can't make aircraft appear from thin air.

    I have read an article where a high up official in the VDV complained that exercises didn't take place in the 1990s because fuel was no available and aircraft were not available.

    Imagine if they needed them in an emergency... there was little to no warning regarding the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia, so zero chance the VDV could intervene immediately from the air... there was simply no available air transport.

    It is not about managing aircraft, it is allocating resources that are needed to the forces that need them.

    complaining of the 1990s? this sounds weak
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:56 am

    The solution was supposed to be the An-70 but we both know that solution will never come.

    If the VDV still have to rely on transport aviation how can they be sure what they need will be ready when they need it?


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I do not agree, they do not need to be independent, they need to do they job right. They are experts on their own warfare and fighting tactics. That is all.

    They rely on DA (Transport aviation) to have enough aircraft available for them to do their job.... the DA don't always keep enough aircraft available.

    Cancelling an exercise is a problem, but for operations not having aircraft would be critical.

    Like I said.... there is no point in having a fire department that does not have its own fire engines and just hires them when it needs them.

    This is actually correct if an airborne force does not have the ability to get planes when they need them, then that force is doomed to fail.

    VDV should own their own transports to ensure they can do their job when needed and not hope they can do it.

    I always wondered why they do not and really it makes no sense that they don't.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:27 am

    The 235th Military Transport Aviation Regiment was restored in Ulyanovsk

     It is reported that on December 1, 2017, a ceremony was held in Ulyanovsk at the Ulyanovsk-Vostochny airfield (Aviastar-SP factory airfield) to mark the completion of the formation of the 235th Military Transport Aviation Regiment of the Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Air Force. The regiment became part of the simultaneously formed 18th military transport aviation division with control in Orenburg.


    Il-76MD military transport aircraft, who arrived in Ulyanovsk to complete the restored 235th military transport aviation regiment of the 18th Military Transport Aviation Division of the Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Air Force. Ulyanovsk-Vostochny, December 1, 2017 (with) Ivan Zubov / russianplanes.net (link)


     The newly-formed 235th military transport aviation regiment is planned to be equipped with new Il-76MD-90A military transport aircraft, the issue of which was organized at Aviastar-SP in Ulyanovsk. As the basis of the material part during the formation, the 235th regiment received ten Il-76MD aircraft from the 117th military transport regiment from Orenburg, nine of these planes arrived in Ulyanovsk-Vostochny on December 1. Colonel Vadim Dyrdin was appointed commander of the 235th regiment.

     In addition, it is reported that the 235th regiment will use several AN-124 Ruslan heavy military transport aircraft - as one can understand, from the number of VCS cars being restored by Aviastar-SP. On December 1, the ceremony of rolling-out after the completion of the capital repair and modernization of the An-124-100 military transport aircraft of Russia (registration number RA-82011, serial number 9773054616023, serial number 01-10) was held at Aviastar-SP. At the same time the plane was given its own name "Oleg Antonov" in honor of its designer. The aircraft should be handed over to the 235th regiment, in which it was operated from 1989 to 1998 (in 1998 the aircraft was returned to the 566th Red Banner Military Transport Aviation Regiment, since 2003 it was stored at the Sescha airfield, from end of 2015 was capital repair reconstruction at Aviastar-SP).

     On the bmpd side, we recall that the 235th Military Transport Aviation Regiment was originally formed in October 1989 at Sescha airfield (Bryansk Region) as the second regiment of the USSR Air Force equipped with the new An-124 heavy military transport aircraft (after 566 the Red Banner Military Transport Aviation Regiment in the same area, equipped with An-124 aircraft since 1987). In connection with the cessation of the production of An-124 aircraft for the Air Force after the collapse of the USSR, the 235th Regiment was not fully staffed by them. In early 1995, the 235th Regiment was redeployed from Seschi to the Ulyanovsk-Vostochny airfield, but in 1998 it was disbanded, with the transfer of the An-124 aircraft from its structure back to the 566th Regiment in Sescha.

     According to available information, currently VC Russia has 26 An-124 aircraft, of which ten are in a flying condition (the RA-82011 will be the eleventh airplane).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2984111.html


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:24 am

    George1 wrote:

     According to available information, currently VC Russia has 26 An-124 aircraft, of which ten are in a flying condition (the RA-82011 will be the eleventh airplane).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2984111.html

    That's pretty low, 11 Condors for a country with size of Russia. Shocked
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:00 am

    Il-76MD arriving Ulyanovsk



    https://www.aex.ru/news/2017/12/1/178546/
    The upgraded An-124 was given the honorable name "Oleg Antonov"
    On the same day, the first 9 Il-76 aircraft arrived in Vostochny with the aim of forming here a military transport aviation regiment. The new 235th Air Regiment, which is part of the 18th military transport aviation division, will be deployed in Ulyanovsk.
    "The idea of ​​forming the BTA regiment on Ulyanovsk is connected with the fact that there is a powerful Ulyanovsk plant" Aviastar-SP ", which produces IL-76MD-90A aircraft. Therefore, the task of rearmament for this type of military transport aircraft will be in this local regiment. The same goes for the further development of the An-124 issue. Here in Ulyanovsk these planes were built and undergo a different kind of reconstruction. We plan to perform a number of tasks in Ulyanovsk to ensure


    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153010@egNews
    Orenburg has formed a military transport aviation division.
    The structure included aviation units stationed in the Orenburg, Ulyanovsk, Rostov and Omsk regions
    The aviation fleet includes transport aircraft Il-76, A-12,An-26, An-72 and other aviation equipment.


    The current structure of the Military Transport Aviation (VTA) is:

    61 AIR ARMY VTA (HQ: Tver)

    12 VTAD (HQ:Migalovo-Tver)
    •196 VTAP Migalovo-Tver: Il-76MD (2sq)
    •334 VATP Pskov: Il-76MD (2sq)
    •566 VTAP Sescha (Bryansk oblast): Il-76MD , An-124
    •76 OVTAE Migalovo-Tevr: An-22,An-12,An-26

    18 VTAD (HQ:Orenburg)
    •117 VTAP Orenburg: Il-76MD (2sq), An-12
    •708 VTAP Taganrog (Rostov oblast):Il-76MD (2sq)
    •235 VTAP Ulyanovsk: Il-76MD (1sq) , second sq. Il-476(Il-76MD-90A), 3 first expected this year
    •340 OVTAE Omsk: An-26 , An-72

    610 TsBPiPLS Ivanovo-Severny
    •527 IIVTAP: Il-76M , Il-76MD
    •?? IIVTAE: An-12,An-26,An-72

    144 SRDLOAP Ivanovo-Severny: A-50


    The former structure of 4 regiments (Tver,Pskov,Taganrog,Orenburg) with 3 sq, of 9 Il-76 , totaling 108 Il-76 is changing to 6 regiments of 2sq.
    The 224 LO with 16 Il-76 (4 in each base) seems have been disbanded.Two of this planes have arrived to Ulyanovsk.
    The An-124 , probably will be attached to the divisions in Ulyanovsk and Tver (replacng An-22 in 76 OVTAE) . and 566º disbanded or moved to other place.
    Other regiment was announcd for Penza in next years
    The total Il-76 is about 120-125 including other 5 based in Chkalovsky-Moscow (223 LO/8 ADON)

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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:37 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    George1 wrote:

     According to available information, currently VC Russia has 26 An-124 aircraft, of which ten are in a flying condition (the RA-82011 will be the eleventh airplane).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2984111.html

    That's pretty low, 11 Condors for a country with size of Russia. Shocked
    An-124 seldom flies. They aren't used even to transport equipment to Syria, preferring the cheaper option of using ships. For transportation inside Russia, or even for exercises with China, the well-developed railway system is the most used.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:40 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    George1 wrote:

     According to available information, currently VC Russia has 26 An-124 aircraft, of which ten are in a flying condition (the RA-82011 will be the eleventh airplane).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2984111.html

    That's pretty low, 11 Condors for a country with size of Russia. Shocked
    An-124 seldom flies. They aren't used even to transport equipment to Syria, preferring the cheaper option of using ships. For transportation inside Russia, or even for exercises with China, the well-developed railway system is the most used.

    The global demand for An-124 services is massive and there is a huge backlog of jobs that would justify new production. Russia had plans to
    restart production in cooperation with Ukraine. But Uncle Scumbag helped install the Nazi regime in Kiev that cut off Ukraine's nose to spite
    Ukraine's face. So Russia is now planning a replacement of the An-124 which will have 50% more cargo capacity and almost twice the range.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:53 pm

    kvs wrote:
    The global demand for An-124 services is massive and there is a huge backlog of jobs that would justify new production.   Russia had plans to
    restart production in cooperation with Ukraine.   But Uncle Scumbag helped install the Nazi regime in Kiev that cut off Ukraine's nose to spite
    Ukraine's face.   So Russia is now planning a replacement of the An-124 which will have 50% more cargo capacity and almost twice the range.
    True. But I was referring to Russian Air Force An-124, especially to KiloGolf comments that 11 is insufficient. I think that for the military it is enough.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:26 pm

    Well now that they can service them fully themselves it would make sense to get all 26 back into operational use.

    Most importantly what they need to do is to finish the new engine to replace the Ukrainian one the aircraft currently use.

    Fitting them to the An-124s they have in service now should boost performance and also allow for lots of operational experience that can be applied to the new replacement aircraft... the more aircraft they can fit them into the cheaper and more common they will become, so a two engined model in the 80-100 ton class would also be useful too.


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    Post  eehnie on Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:44 am

    The case of the reserve of An-124 is one of the cases where the aircrafts in the reserve are likely to be recovered for active service again. But still, its use is not a priority.

    At this point, in the refered to auxiliary aircrafts, I think this would be the order in priority of use until to be totally exhausted.

    Transport:

    Exhaustion by use:
    Mi-6/10
    An-22
    An-2
    An-24/26/30/32

    Airliners:

    Exhaustion by sale or transfer to other gouvernmental agencies:
    L-410
    An-140
    An-148/158/178

    Exhaustion by use:
    Il-18/20/22/24

    Trainers:

    Exhaustion by aid to allies, use and more ways:
    L-39

    Exhaustion by use:
    Mi-2

    This priority of use toward the exhaustion by model also marks the priority by model in the recovery for active use of the units that can be recovered:

    L-39: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    An-140: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    An-148/158/178: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    Mi-6/10: Nothing to recover. The process of recovery was finished.
    An-22: Nothing to recover. The process of recovery was finished.

    Foreign to exit: L-410: A decent number of units can be recovered still.
    Transport: An-2: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.
    Airliners: Il-18/20/22/24: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.
    Trainers: Mi-2: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.

    Transport: An-24/26/30/32: A decent number of units can be recovered still. There is not still a full use of the aircraft.
    Airliners: Next Tu-134
    Trainers: Next Yak-52


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:57 am

    I don't think 11 is enough. Especially since their strategy is to have a smaller but more mobile army...I guess they'll be refurbishing a few of the mothballed ones slowly
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:42 am

    Cyberspec wrote:I don't think 11 is enough. Especially since their strategy is to have a smaller but more mobile army...I guess they'll be refurbishing a few of the mothballed ones slowly

    Not 11 , are 12 , since RF-82041 is also in the inventary , it already was modernized in 2013 , received maintenance in 2017 at Ulyanovsk and flying since october.The page of russianplanes is not updated with this plane and also they have  a questionable methodology to count the number of aircraft ("in flight", instead of "in service")  since they count as "in reserve" the aircraft in periodic and ordinary maintenance, although they are part of the regiments and are not in an administrative "reserve" situation, as the airplanes were stored in Sescha for more than 10 years
    With this methodology never any regiment would have its full number of 18 or 24 aircraft , given that there will always be some airplane in planned maintenance (at least 2 or 3 per year)

    Some of you are mistaken about what is and what is the role of Military Transport Aviation (VTA), former 61 Air Army
    All of these aircraft listed avobe are not part of the VTA
    The VTA operates Il-76MD and has a squadron of An-124 for special loads. Also uses, a couple of times per year, about 4-5 An-22 when this is more convenient than using the An-124.

    The VTA is not a transport company and its airplanes are not freighters to carry goods that can be carried by other conventional aircrafts.
    To carry loads and military personnel, the VVS has the 8th Special Purpose Division (8 ADON) based on Chkalovsky (Moscow) , subordinated to central command, that also have Il-76, An-12, An-72 ,An-148 , An-140, Il-62,etc... and for ordinary transportation in each military district it has a conventional transport regiment with An-12 (equivalent to Hércules), An-26, An-72, etc. ...
    In the past years , the An-124 was not in the VTA , it was in the 224 LO , used as military and also civil freighter for hire. Since 2015 An-124 was recovered for the VTA
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/224_%D0%BB%D1%91%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%B4


    The aircraft of the VTA has the main mission to deploy and support the military units, especially the airborne tropos
    Airborne tropos means transported by plane, not necessarily parachuted.
    The airborne troops (VDV), since the USSR , are specially designed and equipped for be transported with heavy aircrafts Il-76MD , and the aircraft Il-76MD were specially designed for that work.
    They have no equivalent in other countries, the Western planes type Hercules , C-135 and now A-400M are much smaller and less capable.
    The Il-76MD aircraft are the cargo mule of the VTA, designed for the transport of vehicles and materials of the VDV (BMP,BTR..)
    A Il-76MD división could carry one brigade of the VDV

    The An-124 aircraft are for special cargoes that the Il-76MD can not carry, such as MBT´s.
    A complete regiment of An-124 would be able to transport one MBT battalion from one side of Russia to the other or to countries in the neighborhood.
    Of course Russia does not need airplanes like the C-17 to transport Toyotas with freedom fighters to the other side of the world

    About the replacement for Il-76MD , the Il-476 or Il-76MD-90A , two airplanes (RF-78653 and RF-78654 ) are already in service with 610º TsBPiPLS at Ivanovo since the end of 2016.
    For 2017 is planned to build 3 more.
    The contract for 39 is for 4 squadrons (36) and 3 for test/instruction units (Ivanovo and pherhaps one for Akhtubinsk)

    Also there are a modernization Il-76MD-M with 41 planes ordered (4 squadrons and 5 for intruction units). First unit , RF-76746 is still in trials,

    http://media73.ru/2017/235-y-polk-vta-vernulsya-v-ulyanovsk-spustya-20-let
    In May 2017, the commander of military transport aviation (BTA), Lieutenant-General Vladimir Benediktov, announced that the formation of a new compound - the 18th Military Transport Aviation Division with headquarters in Orenburg, as well as the BTA regiment with the base in Ulyanovsk - was beginning. "This aircraft unit will also receive new aircraft - IL-76MD-90A. Today this is a priority task for us. In 2017, BTA planned to receive three new IL-76MD-90A aircraft. Last year we received two. On the basis of the center for combat training and retraining of flight personnel in Ivanovo is actively training for a new airplane of instructors and teachers, "Benediktov said at the time.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:20 am

    eehnie wrote:The case of the reserve of An-124 is one of the cases where the aircrafts in the reserve are likely to be recovered for active service again. But still, its use is not a priority.

    At this point, in the refered to auxiliary aircrafts, I think this would be the order in priority of use until to be totally exhausted.



    Transport:

    Exhaustion by sale or transfer to other gouvernmental agencies:
    L-410
    An-140
    An-148/158/178

    Exhaustion by use:
    Mi-6/10
    An-22
    An-2
    An-24/26/30/32

    Airliners:

    Exhaustion by use:
    Il-18/20/22/24

    Trainers:

    Exhaustion by aid to allies, use and more ways:
    L-39

    Exhaustion by use:
    Mi-2

    This priority of use toward the exhaustion by model also marks the priority by model in the recovery for active use of the units that can be recovered:

    L-39: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    An-140: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    An-148/158/178: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    Mi-6/10: Nothing to recover. The process of recovery was finished.
    An-22: Nothing to recover. The process of recovery was finished.

    Foreign to exit: L-410: A decent number of units can be recovered still.
    Transport: An-2: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.
    Airliners: Il-18/20/22/24: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.
    Trainers: Mi-2: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.

    Transport: An-24/26/30/32: A decent number of units can be recovered still. There is not still a full use of the aircraft.
    Airliners: Next Tu-134
    Trainers: Next Yak-52

    In the VVS:

    Military Transport:
    An-124  (VTA) 14 in reserve, 10 to be modernized and return to service
    An-22 (VTA) To be decomisioned soon
    Il-76MD (VTA) To de replaced by Il-476 (Il-76MD-90A) about 30 in reserve, probably several repaired and retrun to service replacing older units
    An-12  To de replaced by Il-276 . Most of planes in reserve are not serviceable and canibalized  for keep others in service
    An-26  To be replaced for Il-112V . Most of planes in reserve are not serviceable and canibalized for keep others in service
    An-72

    Airliners:
    An-148
    An-140
    Tu-134
    Tu-154
    Il-62
    Il-18 to be decomissioned soon
    An-24RB (one only ´24 still in use in the NAVY)

    Utility/Liasion:
    An-2

    Command Post:
    Il-22/22M

    EW/ELINT:
    Il-20M
    Il-22PP
    Tu-214R

    Reconnaissance :
    An-30 To be decomissioned soon
    Tu-214OH  "open skyes"

    Trainers:
    L-39 replaced by Yak-130
    Tu-134UBL  (Chelyabisnk training center)
    L-410UVP (Rtishchevo training center). Half a dozed used as "taxi" in transport units

    VVS does not use An-158/178 , An-32 (export) , Il-24 (prototypes of a civil versión)
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:54 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The case of the reserve of An-124 is one of the cases where the aircrafts in the reserve are likely to be recovered for active service again. But still, its use is not a priority.

    At this point, in the refered to auxiliary aircrafts, I think this would be the order in priority of use until to be totally exhausted.



    Transport:

    Exhaustion by use:
    Mi-6/10
    An-22
    An-2
    An-24/26/30/32

    Airliners:

    Exhaustion by sale or transfer to other gouvernmental agencies:
    L-410
    An-140
    An-148/158/178

    Exhaustion by use:
    Il-18/20/22/24

    Trainers:

    Exhaustion by aid to allies, use and more ways:
    L-39

    Exhaustion by use:
    Mi-2

    This priority of use toward the exhaustion by model also marks the priority by model in the recovery for active use of the units that can be recovered:

    L-39: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    An-140: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    An-148/158/178: Nothing to recover. There are not units in the reserve.
    Mi-6/10: Nothing to recover. The process of recovery was finished.
    An-22: Nothing to recover. The process of recovery was finished.

    Foreign to exit: L-410: A decent number of units can be recovered still.
    Transport: An-2: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.
    Airliners: Il-18/20/22/24: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.
    Trainers: Mi-2: At this point only very few units would be still recoverable from the reserve to return to active service.

    Transport: An-24/26/30/32: A decent number of units can be recovered still. There is not still a full use of the aircraft.
    Airliners: Next Tu-134
    Trainers: Next Yak-52

    In the VVS:

    Military Transport:
    An-124  (VTA) 14 in reserve, 10 to be modernized and return to service
    An-22 (VTA) To be decomisioned soon
    Il-76MD (VTA) To de replaced by Il-476 (Il-76MD-90A) about 30 in reserve, probably several repaired and retrun to service replacing older units
    An-12  To de replaced by Il-276 . Most of planes in reserve are not serviceable and canibalized  for keep others in service
    An-26  To be replaced for Il-112V . Most of planes in reserve are not serviceable and canibalized for keep others in service
    An-72

    Airliners:
    An-148
    An-140
    Tu-134
    Tu-154
    Il-62
    Il-18 to be decomissioned soon
    An-24RB (one only ´24 still in use in the NAVY)

    Utility/Liasion:
    An-2

    Command Post:
    Il-22/22M

    EW/ELINT:
    Il-20M
    Il-22PP
    Tu-214R

    Reconnaissance :
    An-30 To be decomissioned soon
    Tu-214OH  "open skyes"

    Trainers:
    L-39 replaced by Yak-130
    Tu-134UBL  (Chelyabisnk training center)
    L-410UVP (Rtishchevo training center). Half a dozed used as "taxi" in transport units

    VVS does not use An-158/178 , An-32 (export) , Il-24 (prototypes of a civil versión)

    Surely evident, but note that my previous comment:

    - Included auxiliary aircrafts including helicopters of all the branches of the Russian Armed Forces.
    - Used a designation that wants to include all the variants of every aircraft, used or not in the Russian Armed Forces. It shows a close mechanical relation between variants, that have many spare parts interchangeable. Only excluded the Il-38 that would be mechanically very related to the Il-18/20/22/24 but which main use is for a type of combat role.
    - Used the main role to group the aircrafts.
    - Included only the models closer to disappear in my opinion, that includes foreign models.
    - Recovery of units of the reserve to active service means not upgrade, but would include it.
    - By mistake I included the group of foreign aircrafts in the group of transport instead of airliners. Corrected.

    Different approach, surely based on different sources, but compatible in high degree.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  franco on Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:47 pm

    There are 15 new L-410, with the last ones arriving in 2015. Plus some old ones used for basic 2 engine training as mentioned.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:45 pm

    According to russianplanes.net would be:

    29 active (of which 11 from 2011 to 2013. It seems the order until 15 was not completed after the bankrupcy of the company in early 2015)
    70 reserve

    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Let/L-410

    Between the 70 in the reserve, many are in bad condition, but there is someone recently recovered as we can see in the pictures, and likely can be more. Maybe 10 or 20. Not sure.

    In other cases like the An-2, Il-18/20/22/24 or Mi-2, the number of recoverable units can be around 5 or less. Russia is in almost full use of the last units of these aircrafts.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:47 am

    eehnie wrote:According to russianplanes.net would be:

    29 active (of which 11 from 2011 to 2013. It seems the order until 15 was not completed after the bankrupcy of the company in early 2015)
    70 reserve

    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Let/L-410

    Between the 70 in the reserve, many are in bad condition, but there is someone recently recovered as we can see in the pictures, and likely can be more. Maybe 10 or 20. Not sure.

    In other cases like the An-2, Il-18/20/22/24 or Mi-2, the number of recoverable units can be around 5 or less. Russia is in almost full use of the last units of these aircrafts.

    The matter with the account in the bottom of the pages of Russianplanes is that are not updated, in some cases, specially for airplanes of little interest since several years.
    Some airplanes classificated as "in fligth" are grounded , sometimes are derrelictic , or there are not a single photo in fligth in 25 years after the breakdown of the USSR.

    Also , the methodology for classificate the airplanes: "in fligth" , "stored", "scrapped" it is not very successful. This is a civil page (there are not list like this of combat aircrafts) and a civil airplane is always flying , because the civil airplanes are bought for win money. When are not flying is beeter to scrap because to pay the rate of te airport for be parked is very expensive.

    However , for the military aircrafy this is not correct, this page use the same situation "in storage" planes in a usual maintenance, that in the case of an An-124 can take several months, planes without use at a specific moment by some reasons but in active status, planes in admnistrative reserve status (several clases of reserve situations: base, depot, plant), planes canibalized and other soviet junk lying on the edges of the runways of many airports

    In the case of L-410 , as is a secundary plane , is better to look the planes one by one.
    Of the 11 planes listed as new for BBC several are mistaken. Have other registration diferent from RuAF. Also some are supposed because there are not photos or confirmation. Other source says 7 of this planes are of MoD but not clear if the VVS or other branch
    Anyway only one of Baltic has the red star in the tail.

    Two seems to work as liasion planes or taxi in Rostov (blue tail numbers) and other two in Ekaterinburg (Urals)
    One could serve as liasion in the Baltic between Levashovo and Gromovo , but in all the photos are the plane are grounded.
    The last plane seems works in Rtishchevo , but is not definitive is have been transfered to VVS from Let Sistems
    The plane with yellow number is not clear if it is of the VVS. The yellow number just changed in 2017 for red so could be based in Vladimir.

    Of the other 17 listed as "in fligth" in Rtishchevo, several have not any photo , others have a photo in or inside the rerair plant , and the most say "7-10 лет назад" or "10-15 лет назад" : no news since 10 years , not saw in fligth in most of cases this decade.
    Rtishchevo has one squadron operational , 12 planes or some more. the other half a hundred based here are grounded for a decade or more


    About RESERVE
    In the military , "active" or "in the structure"  , and "reserve" (1º class,2º class...) are administrative status.
    Russianplanes counts planes visually, by the photos , only as "fligth" or "grounded" , that is a different concept. It is a good but incomplete information.
    An abandoned , derreclictic or canibalized airplane is not "in reserve".
    One plane that not flyes this year (but can do it), because there are a plan for use the airplanes of a regiment to prevent many planes reach the necessary maintenance at the same time, is not "in reserve" , is in the structure of the regiment in "active" status.

    The most of the soviet airplanes have been scrapped in the last 5 or 10 years, and other are going to follow soon.
    The MiG-31´s stored in Khotilovo after receive other modernizated , the airplanes of Yelizovo, the near 50 Su-27S stored in Besovets, the two dozens of Krymsk , will be recycled for get a lot of Kg. by each plane of rare metals included some gold sylver of platimun. Already there are contracts for recycling and scrap these fighters. Perhaps some planes ends as monuments along Russia.

    The main reserve are Lipestk (4020 Aviation Reserve Base) where the planes are preserved correclty for can be retrunred to service.
    Last decade there were more of 250 MiG-23 stored (FACE says 266 in 2003) that were scrappped several years ago. In 2013-4 there were about 100 MiG-29 and 50 MiG-31. These last airplanes have been modernized and now there are about 100 MiG-29 , 15 Su-27 and and also one dozen of MiG-31 waiting for the modernization.

    With Su-24 and other planes (MiG-27 , Su-17..) was the same. In Chebenki (4215 ARB) were scrapped by hundreds.
    Other places as ARZ 514 , ARZ 275 , etc...with planes stored , only uses for parts.
    About the big airplanes, most have been scrapped as the case of ships or nuclear submarines.
    Russianplanes can have it as "stored" for years after the scrapping. With the satellite you can see how many planes are in each base, depot or repair plants , and in the last years hundreds of airplanes have disappeared from the aerodromes.

    With exceptions,(10 An-124, several Il-76), etc ..., the airplanes that now have the RuAF in service are those that will continue operating until the replacement by new ones.

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