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    Post  Pinto on Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:46 pm

    yeah looks like airbus will make entry into it now along with russia
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:34 am

    Russia Left Out From Major Indian Tender for EW Suites


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:59 am

    Perhaps if they had done the same with the MRCA program MiG might not have wasted so much time and money on that either.

    Clearly they don't want a Russian option... which is fine.


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    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:17 am

    Indian Navy Pitches for Three More Multirole Fighter Squadrons

    Global military aviation majors to square off as India sets stiff parameters for the selection of 57 combat jets that are able to operate from aircraft carriers.

    New Delhi (Sputnik) – The Indian Navy has finally decided to rest speculation whether it will opt for a home-developed combat jet or import them for its aircraft carriers.

    It has sought information from global manufacturers for 57 multi role carrier-borne fighters. "Multi role fighters are intended as day and night capable, all-weather multi-role deck based combat aircraft which can be used for air defense, air-to-surface operations, buddy refueling, reconnaissance and EW missions from Indian Naval aircraft carriers," reads document issued for global suppliers.

    Apart from some basic guidelines for procurement, Indian Navy has sought answers on the configuration in 55 pages on a range of issues like electronic warfare capability, endurance and payload. Indian government is desirous of license production of the aircraft after acquiring Transfer of technology in the case.

    The Indian Navy has asked global manufacturers questions like whether the twin- seat variant retains all operational attributes of the single seat variant (radar, air to air refueling)?

    It also asked for the capability of long/ medium range Beyond Visual Range air to air missiles, short range anti-ship missiles, precision guided munitions and unguided munitions which will be integrated on the aircraft and likely to be offered to Indian Navy.

    Indian Navy also wants to know from the global manufacturers whether the aircraft has a swing-role capability for the simultaneous carriage of strike weapons and air-to-air missiles.

    "Does the aircraft have capability to operate from both STOBAR (Short Take-off But Arrested Recovery) and CATOBAR (Catapult Take-off But Arrested Recovery) aircraft carriers without any modification to the aircraft?" another question.

    Selected aircraft will operate from indigenously developed Vikrant aircraft carrier which will be conventional ski jump based STOBAR layout. Configuration for second aircraft carrier has not yet been finalized.

    Swedish Saab has claimed that its single engine Sea Gripen has capability to operate from both STOBAR/CATOBAR. Russian made MiG-29K also operates from STOBAR. Both these fighter will receive major competition from India's own LCA Navy MK2, as it may find favor from Indian government to promote Make in India component.

    Only last month, Indian Navy chief Admiral Sunil Lanma had rung the alarm when he said the indigenous LCA Navy MK-1Tejas was too heavy for aircraft carriers and not fit in current form.


    If the Indian Navy wants fighters for CATOBAR, Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault's Rafale M and Lockheed Martin's F-35C will find place in this competition.

    However, the winner of the competition will have to invest 30 per cent of commercial value under offset contracts. Request for information indicates that delivery for the aircraft is expected only after 2021; by the time India's LCA NAVY MK-2 may prove to be a tough competitor for offerings by foreign firms.

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201701271050062375-india-navy-fighter-squadrons/


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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:53 am

    What i find interesting is the mention of Mig-31, i suppose India did use to operate the Mig-25 and have had nothing like it to replace it, and considering the size of the country and borders Mig-31 is a good choice and might get them for a reasonable price considering that they will be secondhand (upgraded of course) and would help the Russia reduce the number of Mig-31 in storage. I really hope considering the size of the order and cost of western aircraft, that India will go for Russian aircraft, I can see Mig-31 and Mig-35 being the likely options. I can see India's Tejas plan that only 2-4 squadrons will end up being purchased and the rest of the their requirements Mig-35 or possibly Mig-29M2 will be purchased, both are better than Tejas. I will be furious if western option is taken.


    Russian military equipment exhibits drew significant attention from various delegations at the concluding Aero India 2017 exhibitions, while Russia and India further cemented military technical cooperation by agreeing on joint projects and discussing the supply of Russian equipment to India.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201702181050810628-russia-india-military-technology-cooperation/




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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:18 pm

    Since the early 90's the MiG-31 has been offered to export, especially for MiG-25 users (Algeria, Lybia, Syria, India), an export version was developed, but no one was interested. It is the best interceptor out there, but extremely specialized, and in the end would make sense only to India, with a really large territory. Now there are less and less MiG-31 in storage, as the Russian Air Force is upgrading all those in good shape to BM/BSM/DZM variant, soon there will probably be no MiG-31 capable of being in operational conditions in storage.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:38 am

    To be fair the Chinese did express interest in the MiG-31... but as they were only interested in buying two I suspect it was to examine them rather than put them into operational service...


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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:46 pm

    Analysis of the participants in the Indian tender for the procurement of a deck fighter

    According to the Indian resource "LivefistDefence.com" in the note "Four Fighters Throw Hat Into Big Indian Navy Ring", four months after the Indian Navy announced its intention to purchase 57 multi-role fighters, the resource had a list of those companies that formally responded: Boeing with the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Aviation with Rafale-M, Saab with Gripen Maritime and Rosoboronexport/UAC with MiG-29K. It is noted that the company Lockheed-Martin, which for many years promoted to India fighter F-35B/C, decided not to participate in the competition. This is not surprising given that this industrial giant is considering any sales of the F-35 to India through an intergovernmental agreement, and not through participation in tenders.

    The resource considers all options submitted for tender:

    Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet: Super Hornet has a large application for participation in the Make-in-India program, which is more in line with the country's future Air Force requests for the purchase of a twin-engine aircraft that will follow the current tender for a single-engine fighter. As part of a major Washington program to promote a catapult fighter into India, Boeing's proposal has high chances. On the other hand, Boeing claims that it conducted experimental work on the take-off of the plane from the springboard, and that the Super Hornet can be used from the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier.

    Dassault Rafale-M: Rafale has advantages in the form of its type. It will be in service with at least two squadrons of the country's Air Force, with the possibility of further increase of this number. Unification gives Rafale an advantage. However, the price can become a brake.

    MiG-29K - as is already clear now, the MiG-29K has little chance of a new purchase by the Indian side. A worthy fighter on a proven platform, but which has several problems - not the last of them is that it does not fully comply with fleet requirements for the duration of the flight. Other problems are well known for aircraft, but the very fact that the Indian Navy invested a lot of time, energy and huge funds to find new fighters, says that the MiG-29K is almost dead.

    Saab Gripen Maritime - according to the statements of Saab, Gripen Maritime (previously known by the stylish name 'Sea Gripen') is ready on paper and has modifications for takeoff from the catapult and the springboard. The design work was completed in 2012, when Saab expected only financing from the interested buyer for the further development of the project. The single-engine scheme works against it - the Indian Navy will experience serious difficulties explaining plans to ship the LCA Navy fighter (and, possibly, the twin-engine Mk.2) to the scourge of another more effective single-engine fighter. However, the prospects for Saab to win the contract of the Indian Air Force for the purchase of a single-engine fighter can somewhat counterbalance the fact that the aircraft is not yet available and there is no experience of its operation.

    In the Indian arms procurement process very often grandmother in two said. As the sellers and the buyer know, the request for proposals stage is very painful and preliminary. The situation with the contract for a multi-functional fighter depends on many factors, including the Air Force's own plans, and it may take some time until the next stage comes. A big shake-up in Indian defense industrial policy and strategic partnership for today will definitely slow down the process. Nobody rolls his lip, but the race has already begun.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2690420.html


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    Post  Pinto on Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:09 am

    This tender is farce. deal will be given to some 200 F 16 to be made in India. there is some talks about f 35 being offered post 2020 but india is way too engazed into final stages of sorting FGFA so this looks far fetched

    Russia will be given around 8-10 b 4 order for making su30 into super sukhois along with final deal for FGFA by year end
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    Post  Godric on Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:42 pm

    the F-16s are becoming extremely dated ... any country buying F-15s, 16s and 18s are not planning a long term airforce ... reeks of buying airframes for the sake of it
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:43 pm

    The tender above is for naval fighter. The tender for IAF single engine aircraft is different


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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:39 am

    Pinto wrote:This tender is farce. deal will be given to some 200 F 16 to be made in India. there is some talks about f 35 being offered post 2020 but india is way too engazed into final stages of sorting FGFA so this looks far fetched

    Russia will be given around 8-10 b 4 order for making su30 into super sukhois along with final deal for FGFA by year end

    India is a cheap nation. They won't get FGFA since the US had them by the balls. I think Su-30 and upgrades are the last deals Russia is gonna get from India. Better Russia starts selling to China and Pakistan way more. To hell with India.
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    Post  Pinto on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:49 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Pinto wrote:This tender is farce. deal will be given to some 200 F 16 to be made in India. there is some talks about f 35 being offered post 2020 but india is way too engazed into final stages of sorting FGFA so this looks far fetched

    Russia will be given around 8-10 b 4 order for making su30 into super sukhois along with final deal for FGFA by year end

    India is a cheap nation. They won't get FGFA since the US had them by the balls. I think Su-30 and upgrades are the last deals Russia is gonna get from India. Better Russia starts selling to China and Pakistan way more. To hell with India.

    Russia is never going to leave India nor India will do such thing, FGFA is reality and its matter of few months before final deal is signed, since it's going to be mega deal of 25 b$ the Indian govt will obviously take time so that future issues don't crop up. There won't be any surprise if super sukhois deal worth 8-10b$ is signed before final FGFA deal and also 4 frigates for Indian Navy worth 3-4 b $. Russia has many aces up its sleeve to keep india engaged closely. Russians are not so naive diplomatically that they will so easily allow India to go to US for all defence needs

    Pakistan can never replace India as a defence partner for Russia neither money wise nor quantity wise. India- Russia ties are are here to stay whatever you say or think emotionally.

    India will always ally with US vis a vis china as china you might have seen is continuously turning very belligerent against India and is hurting India in many ways. India has never objected to Russia--china closer ties

    China is in final stages of developing its own FGFA. so no point of Russia selling them and take risk of reverse engineering as has happened many times in past
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    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:19 am

    On the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya were tested in the tender for the purchase of deck fighter aircraft

    Considering the purchase of 57 decked fighters, the Indian Navy recently invited foreign manufacturing firms to conduct tests to verify their compatibility with the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. The French Dassault Rafale, the Swedish Saab Sea Gripen, the Russian MiG-29K and the American McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet are contenders for the deal, which may amount to more than 12 billion US dollars. "Foreign manufacturers were asked to prove that their aircraft could work with our aircraft carrier of Russia's INS Vikramaditya," said a senior Indian naval officer.

    The tests were carried out at the base in Karvar.

    57 new fighters will be used on the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya and the national aircraft carrier IAC (Indigenous Aircraft Carrier), which is being built at the state shipyard Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) in Cochin, together with 45 MiG29K, which are already purchased in Russia.

    There are huge differences between Russian and Western aircraft carriers. While aircraft on American aircraft carriers are designed for basing horizontal take-off aircraft and steam catapults are used to lift them into air, and on Russian aircraft-carrying cruisers they rise in the air from the take-off ramp at INS Vicramaditya and on the INS Vikrant under construction. The need to buy new super-expensive fighters arose after Admiral Sunil Lamba, Chief of Staff of the Indian Navy, announced on Dec. 2, 2016 that the Naval Tejas (Naval LCA) version of the lightweight fighter of the national Indian development Tejas (LCA) does not meet the requirements of the Indian fleet and can not Be used with Indian aircraft carriers. The main reason for this was named "excessive weight" of Naval Tejas and insufficient thrust-to-weight ratio, as a result of which the fighter can not take off with a full supply of fuel and combat load from the aircraft carrier's ramp.

    "As for the deck aircraft, we have limited time in making them until the aircraft carrier is ready.We have the MiG 29K, which is used with Vikramaditya and should be used with the IAC (Indigenous Aircraft Carrier) Vikrant - Admiral Sunil Lamba said then.

    "We also hoped to use LCA (Light Combat Aircraft - Tejas) from these two aircraft carriers, unfortunately LCA is unable to meet the aircraft carrier requirements, so we need an alternative aircraft for use with these two aircraft carriers," Admiral Lamba said.

    According to the demand made by the Indian Navy, the assembly of fighters should be carried out at Indian industrial facilities within the framework of the "Make in India" concept. Tender requirements include technology transfer obligations for a possible subsequent license production of MRCBF in India. As for the schedule of deliveries, the first batch of fighter jets should be delivered to the customer three years after the signing of the contract, and all 57 fighters must be delivered to the Indian Navy within the next three years. The existing fleet of MiG-29K aircraft creates a number of problems for the Indian Navy. The main problems of the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB aircraft purchased for the aircraft carrier fleet being created by India are related to the airplane glider, the RD-33MK engine and the electric remote control system (EDSU). Thus, the serviceability of the MiG-29K aircraft (one of the key indicators of the effectiveness of weapons), according to Indian experts, was from 15.93%, the serviceability of the MiG-29KUB - ranging from 21.30% to 47.14%. The Indian Navy has been operating these aircraft since September 2014. The service life of the aircraft is 6 thousand flight hours or 25 years (whichever comes first) and taking into account the problems faced by the MiG-29K/KUB, the operational life of the aircraft already in service will be reduced, according to an official report. Chief inspector and auditor of India on the state of the Armed Forces in the country.

    With two aircraft carriers and more than five squadrons of naval strike aircraft, the Indian navy would become a very strong force to be reckoned with.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2762800.html


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