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    Post  Viktor on Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:52 pm

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    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:43 pm

    Why Boeing dominates in World's heavy lift aircraft market ? India has been buying C-17 lately and other boeing models are up in line . Why ILYUSHIN/russian heavy lift aircraft struggles in World Market . What about Ukrainian Antonov heavy lift aircrafts . They were quite good and hold heaviest cargo plane ever built record
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:56 pm

    max steel wrote:Why Boeing dominates in World's heavy  lift aircraft market ? India has been buying C-17 lately and other boeing  models are up in line . Why ILYUSHIN/russian heavy lift aircraft struggles in World Market . What about Ukrainian Antonov heavy lift aircrafts . They were quite good and hold heaviest cargo plane ever built record

    Suitcases of money can change decisions quite quickly.
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    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:41 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Suitcases of money can change decisions quite quickly.

    Sorry I disagree on this one . I never heard any such news where Boeing Co. is lobbying or bribing the official to sell their cargo planes to them . I'm taking India's case for eg. : India uses C-17 Globemaster which has been extensively employed in evacuation and rescue operations ever since India bought 10 of them in 2013. The Globemasters have had 100 or more sorties in the last two-three years saving thousands of lives in Jammu and Kashmir floods, Yemen evacuation and most recently Nepal earthquake relief effort.


    Impressed with the cargo carrier’s ability to deliver humanitarian aid and rescue stranded people operations has initiated a proposal to the Indian Government to buy additional three Globemasters.

    “IAF has pressed the case for three more C-17s after it was informed that only five such aircraft are left for sale as the US firm (Boeing) has closed down the production line .


    I've no knowledge of it but it can be that IL-76 can't match C17. size/engine capacity/ economical factor /Maintenance schedule etc . Just asking .

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    Post  Guest on Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:25 am

    max steel wrote:Why Boeing dominates in World's heavy  lift aircraft market ? India has been buying C-17 lately and other boeing  models are up in line . Why ILYUSHIN/russian heavy lift aircraft struggles in World Market . What about Ukrainian Antonov heavy lift aircrafts . They were quite good and hold heaviest cargo plane ever built record
    The C-17 is still nowhere as prolific as the Il-76 in the market. I strongly suspect foul play in the Indian tender seeing how the Indians already operate the Il-76 and there are no known problems that the Indians have had. All the C-17 does for the Indians is severely complicate logistics and maintainance. Antonov is a shadow of what it once was. Without heavy Russian support, there probably will not be any new aircraft developed by them. As far as I know, Antonov is having trouble fulfilling current orders. Antonov is practically a cargo company with the capabilities to design things.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:55 am

    max steel wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Suitcases of money can change decisions quite quickly.

    Sorry I disagree on this one . I never heard any such news where Boeing Co. is lobbying or bribing the official to sell their cargo planes to them . I'm taking India's case for eg. : India uses C-17 Globemaster which  has been extensively employed in evacuation and rescue operations ever since India bought 10 of them in 2013. The Globemasters have had 100 or more sorties in the last two-three years saving thousands of lives in Jammu and Kashmir floods, Yemen evacuation and most recently Nepal earthquake relief effort.


    Impressed with the cargo carrier’s ability to deliver humanitarian aid and rescue stranded people operations has initiated a proposal to the Indian Government to buy additional three Globemasters.

    “IAF has pressed the case for three more C-17s after it was informed that only five such aircraft are left for sale as the US firm (Boeing) has closed down the production line .


    I've no knowledge of it but it can be  that IL-76  can't  match C17. size/engine capacity/ economical factor /Maintenance schedule etc . Just asking .

    My brother in law is in the Indian airforce, there is always news of corruption. To think boeing doesn't do it is a joke.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:46 am

    No corruption with Boeing... India paid something like half a billion dollars for each of its C-17s... at that price you could buy about 10 Il-76s and still have change for the price they paid for one.

    If Boeing didn't bribe all the contracts would go to Airbus... and vice versa.


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    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:53 am

    Thanks Ivan , Seph and Mod GB. Yes there is corruption involved during defense deals with foreign purchaser by DOD .

    Sepheronx are you an Indian ??
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    World's heavy lift aircraft market

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:52 pm

    US bribes with US tax payers money officials who are responsible for tenders or deals of countries so they can sign the deal, that is common.

    If you research you will find dozens of such open bribery.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:21 am

    Self-propelled howitzer "MSTA-S" on trial in India

    Left to our blog interesting official photos of ground tests of the Russian 155mm self-propelled howitzer 2S19M1-155 "MSTA-S" (special version in caliber 155 mm) in India in April 2013.

    SAU 2S19M1-155 "MSTA-S" manufactured by JSC "SPC" Uralvagonzavod "was presented of" Rosoboronexport "in the last stage of the endless Indian Army tender for the selection of 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzer. The last goal of the Indian Army provide for direct purchase of 100 systems manufacturer, followed by licensed construction company ACS to 400 in India.

    In the final stage of the tender only competitor 2S19M1-155 "MSTA-S" stood the South Korean 155mm Self-propelled howitzer K9 Thunder.







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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:43 am

    The Indian Aircraft program Tranport Medium resurrected thanks to the Coast Guard. The C-295 favorite part

    (Defensa.com) The replacement program veteran Avro transport aircraft of the Indian Air Force, called MTA (Medium Transport Aircraft), could grow to join the demand for equipment by the Indian Coast Guard, which would require six aircraft more configured for maritime patrol duties. So at least it reflects the Economics Times daily quoted Indian officials said the Indian Ministry of Defense. This would increase the number of aircraft originally raised from 56 to 62 and raise the amount of the program of 2,100 million euros to nearly 2,500. This increase was justified because of the increased cost of aircraft ordered by the Coast Guard to incorporate specific mission equipment, unlike the first 56 aircraft that would be designed to transport missions.

    The boost given to the MTA program could return to the present, after in February the Ministry of Defense of China announced that the program was not considered a priority. Recall that at this time the only candidate is the C295 Airbus Defence and Space , which submitted a joint bid with Tata Advanced Systems (TASL), which thus became the local partner of the Indian Production Agency (IPA) chosen by Airbus D & S to strengthen its offering in this program. In any case, if elected, in Spain it would be built 16 aircraft, for the remaining 40 would be assembled by Tata Advanced Systems in India, where the structural assembly, final assembly, system integration and testing would be addressed and all the management of the local supply chain. But right now it is unknown whether the addition to the program of the six additional aircraft with equipment specific mission vary the distribution of orders. Since issued the Request for Proposals (RFP) program tickets Indian air transport in 2013, the deadline has been extended several times. The Indian Air Force wants to acquire 56 aircraft to replace transport means 748 Avro manufactured under license in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) no less than forty years ago. The program drew two fundamental problems when it began was budgeted at 130,000 million Indian rupees, to exchange 2,340 million , subsequently affected by the devaluation of the Indian currency amount, to which the requirements of the "Make in India" of adds program, which requires a strong component of the local manufacturing under license. (JNG)

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:38 am

    I thought MTA was between India and Russia through Tupolev or Ilyushin or something? Or is that dead?
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:45 am

    sepheronx wrote:I thought MTA was between India and Russia through Tupolev or Ilyushin or something? Or is that dead?

    it is different. This is just Medium Transport Aircraft tender for 56 transports. The program u mention is Multi-role Transport Aircraft (MTA) IL/HAL Smile


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    ‘Make in India’ for 90 Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft

    Post  Pinto on Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:57 pm

    In another major step towards self reliance in the defence sector, a plan is being finalised to produce 90 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) in India, informed sources said. A Request for Proposal (RFP) is expected to be drafted soon after the new Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) comes in place.




    Expected to be one of the biggest projects under the Make in India campaign, the cost of the programme is expected to be around $30 million, the sources said.

    The Indian Air Force requires 126 MMRCAs. With India getting into an agreement with France to get 36 Rafale fighter jets in flyaway condition, there was a lack of clarity on how the rest of the gap will be filled. The sources said that now these remaining jets will be made in India, in what will be a major step in domestic manufacturing of such aircraft.

    According to the sources, the air force does not have enough squadrons in the event of a joint war with Pakistan and China.

    “An RFP is expected to be drafted soon for making 90 MMRCAs in India. A global tender will be floated. The private sector will also have an active participation,” said an official from the defence ministry.

    As many foreign bidders were in the race when India set out to buy 126 MMRCAs, for which Dassault Aviation, the makers of Rafale, was finally chosen, the sources said all original bidders will be invited.

    The list of fighters that were in competition for the MMRCA bid included Russia’s MIG-35 (RAC MiG), Swedish Gripen, Dassault, American Lockheed Martin and Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon made by a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian firms. The sources said that out of the 90 aircraft, 54 will be single-seaters and the remaining 36 tandem-seaters.

    There will be an option of acquiring 45 additional fighters as a follow-up order.

    The Indian Air Force is expected to be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year, 576 fighter jets short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet required as per vision documents to face simultaneous two-front wars with Pakistan and China.

    At least three squadrons of the vintage Soviet origin MiG-21 and MiG-27 single engine aircraft are scheduled to be phased out.

    http://idrw.org/make-in-india-for-90-medium-combat-jets/
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    'Make in India' for 90 medium combat jets

    Post  Pinto on Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:10 pm

    NEW DELHI: In another major step towards self reliance in the defence sector, a plan is being finalised to produce 90 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) in India, informed sources said.

    A Request for Proposal (RFP) is expected to be drafted soon after the new Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) comes in place.

    Expected to be one of the biggest projects under the Make in India campaign, the cost of the programme is expected to be around $30 million, the sources said.

    The Indian Air Force requires 126 MMRCAs. With India getting into an agreement with France to get 36 Rafale fighter jets in flyaway condition, there was a lack of clarity on how the rest of the gap will be filled.

    The sources said that now these remaining jets will be made in India, in what will be a major step in domestic manufacturing of such aircraft.

    According to the sources, the air force does not have enough squadrons in the event of a joint war with Pakistan and China.

    "An RFP is expected to be drafted soon for making 90 MMRCAs in India. A global tender will be floated. The private sector will also have an active participation," said an official from the defence ministry.

    As many foreign bidders were in the race when India set out to buy 126 MMRCAs, for which Dassault Aviation, the makers of Rafale, was finally chosen, the sources said all original bidders will be invited.

    The list of fighters that were in competition for the MMRCA bid included Russia's MIG-35 (RAC MiG), Swedish Gripen, Dassault, American Lockheed Martin and Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon made by a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian firms.

    The sources said that out of the 90 aircraft, 54 will be single-seaters and the remaining 36 tandem-seaters.

    There will be an option of acquiring 45 additional fighters as a follow-up order.

    The Indian Air Force is expected to be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year, 576 fighter jets short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet required as per vision documents to face simultaneous two-front wars with Pakistan and China.

    At least three squadrons of the vintage Soviet origin MiG-21 and MiG-27 single engine aircraft are scheduled to be phased out.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Make-in-India-for-90-medium-combat-jets/articleshow/48318408.cms
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    Re: Russia in Indian Armed Forces Tenders:

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:36 pm

    Well, hopefully Russia offers the MiG-35 to be manufactured in India.
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    Post  Pinto on Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:17 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Well, hopefully Russia offers the MiG-35 to be manufactured in India.

    Russia seems to be front runner this time hopefully and Gripen seems to be dark horse as they have submitted very attractive offer in june
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    Post  Akula971 on Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:32 am

    India mass produced Mig 21s if I remember correctly under HAL.

    If India will be mass producing Mig 29s / 35s it would be a great deal. I believe that once the factory gets setup, the number will increase from 90.

    Let us see how it goes.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:49 am

    Akula971 wrote:India mass produced Mig 21s if I remember correctly under HAL.

    If India will be mass producing Mig 29s / 35s it would be a great deal. I believe that once the factory gets setup, the number will increase from 90.

    Let us see how it goes.

    Su-30 and future T-50 has already satisfied the needs of air-superiority multirole fighters in India. These are more than enough to outcompete the neighbor JF-17, F-16, J-11.

    If India want to buy new kinds of fighters it may be Su-35 instead.
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    Post  mack8 on Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:52 am

    Any idea as to the timescale intended, when are the 90+45 supposed to enter service ?

    Of course, being that we are on a russian forum we favourize MiG-35, would very much like to know what is the status of the AESA radar, and general development. Still think the gratest advantage the MiG has is the no-nonsense access to it. So you can have a heavily customized MiG-35 being fitted with radar of indian choice, not necessarily the ZhuK AESA, indian or western electronics and ECM that could be common with the UPG, Astra BVR and other munitions of IAF choosing (maybe Python-5, a variety of A-G munitions etc.). It was said that the engines were found insufficiently powerful during the MMRCA trials, so the RD-33MKM should do the job, adding another one ton of thrust.

    I don't hold by breath though, afterall logically, IF they actually sign for the 36 Rafale, then it should be the forerunner for commonality reasons. Choosing Gripen though would overlap India's own Tejas, so not sure what they will do there, although it will have the same engine as Tejas, and of course choosing anything american will be a disaster.

    I don't think any of these options can be as accessible and customized as India wishes compared to MiG-35. If they really want to induct 170 MMRCAs in service and they actually buy the 36 Rafales first, then i still think logically they could be best served by a total of say 60 Rafales  (bought off the shelf) and 100-110 MiGs.

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    New shot for the MiG-35 in India

    Post  ricky123 on Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:35 pm

    The Indian Air Force (IAF) is finalizing a new tender for purchase of medium-sized multirole fighters. The tender’s main condition is that the supplier consents to the aircraft being assembled in India. The main issue to watch will be whether the Russian MiG-35 can out-manoeuvre its French competitor, the Rafale fighter, this time around.


    MiG-35. Source: MiG Corporation

    After the Indian government opted to buy 36 Rafale jet fighters “off the shelf” during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to France earlier this year, the Indian Defence Ministry is preparing to acquire more fighter aircraft to fulfil the needs of the armed forces.
    According to the Indian news agency IANS, Indian authorities are preparing to issue an official tender proposal for the supply of 90 new medium-sized fighters for the Indian Air Force. According to IANS, participants in the earlier bid (to acquire 126 aircraft originally) for purchase of medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), which ended with the government deciding to buy only 36 Rafale fighters, will be invited to participate in the tender. This means that the Russian MiG-35, which lost out to the Rafale bid last time, can again take part in the bid.
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    MiG-35: The plane that won’t die
    The first conditions for the tender were formulated back in 2005. Due to a variety of delays and coordination efforts, commercial proposals for the bid were only accepted from 2007. The IAF needed to buy 126 airplanes, for which the Russian MiG-35 (a totally revamped version of the MiG-29), the French Rafale, the all-European Eurofighter Typhoon, the Swedish Grippen, and the American F-16 all competed. It was the largest defence deal ever for India.

    The MiG-35 failed to make it to the bid’s shortlist. In 2012, it was announced that the Rafale had won the tender. Later on, however, various delays and difficult negotiations between the French manufacturers and the Indian authorities began.
    The Indian side was dissatisfied with the increase in the price for the lifecycle maintenance contract as well as on the price of the aircraft itself. Also, the two sides could not agree on the principles regarding the possible transfer of technology, which India insisted upon. As a result, in 2015, the contract for the supply of 126 fighters was annulled and replaced with one for the purchase of 36 fighters, which India agreed to buy in France directly.
    The Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar informed Parliament last week that the government has officially withdrawn the multi-billion dollar tender for the 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircrafts (MMRCA), for which Rafale was shortlisted in 2012.
    According the IANS news agency’s sources in the Indian armed forces, all the participants in the 2007 bid should be invited for the new tender – including the Russian MiG-35. The agency’s interlocutors particularly emphasized that, following the new tender, the aircraft must be manufactured in India. This will make it one of the elements of the “Make in India” project, an ambitious programme launched by the current Prime Minister Modi, which involves bringing new technologies to India and localizing modern production within the country.
    The inclusion of new defence projects in the programme still faces certain difficulties. In particular, P. Srinivasan Raghavan, Ambassador of India to the Russian Federation,said in a July interview with the Press Trust of India that, possibly, the only defence project in the “Make in India” programme will be deployment of the manufacture of the Russian Ka-226 transport helicopter to India. Now, a more ambitious and much larger project involving producing fighter planes may be part of ‘Make in India.’
    United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) representatives told Gazeta.ru that they are not ready yet to comment on the possible participation in a tender that has yet to be announced. In the opinion of Russian aviation industry experts, such participation is quite likely. The opinions of the experts interviewed differed, however, regarding the chances for winning such a potential tender.
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    “In their defence policy, the Indians have always been distinguished by their unwillingness to put all their eggs in one basket, and the fact that they try to choose suppliers from various countries, said Ruslan Gusarov, editor of the Avia.ru website. “They are working with us on the production of the Su-30 heavy fighters, so they decided to choose Rafale for lighter class fighters. But the MiG-35 may have an advantage in the tender. India is definitely interested in technology transfer above all, and we are willing to share it more than others.” In the opinion of Gusarov, the Russian aviation market, including for military products, is not so great, so India presents good opportunities for developing promising projects.
    An expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Maksim Shapovalenko regards with greater scepticism the prospects for the Russian fighter in the new competition: “The new bid is factually a continuation of the former. The project for the supply of 126 Rafale fighters fell through, primarily because of the inability to agree on a procedure for the transfer of technology to India. The French agreed to a transfer in principle; however, they refused to take responsibility for a product which would be assembled in India, rightly mistrusting the quality of assembly. I do not exclude the possibility that the new tender is just a suave way of getting the manufacturer Rafale to finally accept India’s terms.”

    First published in Russian by Gazeta.ru.

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    Post  ricky123 on Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:37 pm

    what are the Chances for Mig35 ? i Hope they make a offer that Indian Gov cannot refuse . like 100% TOT Laughing

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    Post  par far on Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:20 pm

    Hopefully Russia and Mig make India a deal they cannot refuse. Try to sweeten the deal in any way.
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    Post  Book. on Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:05 am

    Mig better engine radar missle

    I think 100 Mig 29k ok

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:42 pm

    India has canceled the tender for the tanker aircraft

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2036764.html


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