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    India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:15 am

    Severodvinsk shipbuilders received orders for the fifth upgrade the diesel-electric submarine of Indian Navy
    27.07.2009
    ARKHANGELSK, July 24. (ITAR-TASS). The fifth diesel-electric submarine (DEPL) Navy modernize India in the ship repair center "Zvezdochka in Severodvinsk, the head of the press service of the company Hope Scherbinina.

    According to her, the director, "star" Vladimir Nikitin signed a protocol in India working on the deployment of an enterprise for the repair and modernization of submarines "Sindurakshak" ( "Sea-giant"). "In August of specialists" star "will leave for India to conduct a technical inspection of the ship. In Severodvinsk submarine delivered to the transport ship, tentatively in June 2010", - said Scherbinina.

    "Asterisk", which specializes in the repair and disposal of nuclear submarines, upgraded the stocks to its four DEPL on the order of the Navy of India. The company also continues to work on the renovation and modernization of this submarine "Sindukirti" in place of her home - the city Vizakhapatnam.

    All of these Russian built submarine Project 887 EKM (by NATO - "Kilo"), developed in the CDB for Marine Engineering "Rubin" (St. Petersburg). They are intended to counter enemy submarines and warships, as well as for the defense of naval bases, coastal and marine communications, reconnaissance and patrol activity. These submarines have a displacement of 2300 tons, a length of 72,6 m, speed 19 knots underwater course (about 35 km / h), depth 300 m, crew of 52 persons, self-navigation 45 days. Armament: six torpedo tubes 533 mm caliber. As a result of modernization on the boat set the current range of cruise missiles "Club-S" a range of about 200 km, as well as contemporary Indian hydro-acoustic equipment and radio system.

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    India, Russia to jointly develop futuristic MBT

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:40 pm

    India and Russia are planning to jointly develop a futuristic 'smart' battle tank, having higher speed and better firepower, reports quoting Nikolai Malykh, director general of Russia's biggest battle factory Uralvagonzavod (UVZ), as saying.

    The two sides had preliminary discussions on the issue and defence ministry experts in India will discuss the new project when a delegation of the (UVZ) tank-building factory visits India this week to participate in an international seminar on the future main battle tank (FMBT) organised by the Army along with the Confederation of Indian Industry, according to Malykh.

    ''We put forward this idea (of developing the tank) at the turn of the 21st century. The Indian side has now come up with a similar proposal," the Moscow Defence Brief (MDB) magazine quoted Malykh as saying.

    ''We will take the first step when our experts go to India to attend a conference on the future tank and prospects for the tank-building industry," Malykh said on the sidelines of a defence expo.


    The new tank will have higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a smoother ride and improved armour protection for crew, the report said.

    Armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader, to ensure the survivability of highly trained human assets, it said.

    Information for the crew will be networked using a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and satellites.

    The move comes even as the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had suggested a joint assessment with the Indian Army to save the main battle tank (MBT) Arjun and keep the project alive.

    The rmy, however, has rejected by the idea. The army is also ambiguous on a suggestion by the DRDO that the tank be assessed head-to-head with the T-90 MBTs the army currently operates.

    A leading Russian defence expert says it makes good sense for India and Russia to join hands in building a futuristic tank.

    India has purchased over 1,600 T-90S MBTs from the UVZ of which 1,000 will be manufactured at the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi. Uralvagonzavod has for a long time been cooperating with the Avadi plant in the production of T-72 and T-90S MBTs.

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    Russia-India military transport plane could be ready by 2018!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:07 am

    Russia-India military transport plane could be ready by 2018

    RIA Novosti

    11/03/201015:03

    NEW DELHI, March 11 (RIA Novosti) - A new Russian-Indian military transport plane could make its maiden flight by 2018, the head of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

    Russia and India signed an intergovernmental agreement on the joint development of a multi-role transport aircraft (MTA) in 2007. The cost of the $600-mln project is being equally shared by the two countries.

    "We are at the initial stage of the project. Maybe in 6-8 years we shall have the prototype aircraft flying," Ashok Nayak said in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

    The MTA project will be implemented by a Russian-Indian joint venture, co-founded by Russia's arms exporter Rosoboronexport and United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and India's HAL.

    An agreement on the formation of the JV is expected to be signed during the current visit of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to India.

    "A green flag has been shown at this point...the work will progress very fast for the formation of the joint venture," Nayak said, adding that all necessary documents had been agreed on by both sides.

    Moscow and New Delhi will have an equal share in the development and production of the aircraft. The aircraft is expected to be assembled in both Russia and India.

    "Initially we expect to produce about 205 aircraft of which 30% will go on the world market," the HAL chairman said.

    The MTA will be most likely developed on the basis of the Il-214 twin-engine military transport aircraft designed by the Ilyushin Design Bureau.

    The new aircraft will feature a takeoff weight of around 55 tons, flight range of 2,500 kilometers (1,550 miles) and a payload of up to 20 tons.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2010/india-100311-rianovosti02.htm

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    India, Russia agree details of joint 5G-fighter project!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:19 am

    India, Russia agree details of joint 5G-fighter project
    RIA Novosti

    11/03/201013:50

    NEW DELHI, March 11 (RIA Novosti) - India and Russia have agreed in general on shared responsibility for the joint development of the fifth-generation fighter, the chairman of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

    Moscow and New Delhi are expected to sign a contract on the joint development of the new fighter in the near future, focusing on the design concept and technical requirements put forward by India.

    "Currently, broad areas of work sharing have been identified. Composite materials, avionics, etc. could be some of the focus areas of HAL," Ashok Nayak said in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

    Nayak did not specify the cost of the project but said it would be split evenly between India and Russia.

    The sides agreed to develop both a single-seat and a two-seat versions of the aircraft by 2016, focusing on the single-seat version in the initial stages of development.

    "Both versions will be put in service with the Indian Air Force," Nayak said.

    The HAL chairman said the Indian side had already specified technical requirements for the single-seat version and passed them on to Russian manufacturers.

    "The general agreement is that we work on both sides - the Russians and the Indians will cooperate on both versions of the aircraft," he said.

    The new aircraft will be most likely based on Russia's T-50 prototype fifth-generation fighter, which has already made two test flights and is expected to join the Russian Air Force in 2015.

    Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, was designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at a plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in Russia's Far East.

    Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2010/india-100311-rianovosti03.htm

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:15 am

    So how is this effected by the plans to stop development of the T-95?

    One would assume that the Indians would not be interested in development if the T-95 was obsolete Soviet Era junk.

    Perhaps the comment 'smart' is the key.

    Perhaps the T-95 didn't have enough Cs in its C3.

    C3 is Command, Control, and Communications.

    Battle management is C4ISR or Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance.

    Of course the Brits call it C4ISTAR (command, control, communications, computers), I (military intelligence), and STAR (surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance).

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:15 pm

    The biggest reason T-95 was cancelled is because India and Saudi Arabia didn't want to fund its development.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:34 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:The biggest reason T-95 was cancelled is because India and Saudi Arabia didn't want to fund its development.

    So the cat is out of the bag.

    It was obvious that the concept of closing a lot projects wasn't because of their technology, it was because it probably did not meet most others expectations in an MBT in terms of cost and capability. In other words, they will build the next MBT's around India's, Vietnams, and other countries military apsects.

    Oh well.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:39 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    So the cat is out of the bag.

    It was obvious that the concept of closing a lot projects wasn't because of their technology, it was because it probably did not meet most others expectations in an MBT in terms of cost and capability. In other words, they will build the next MBT's around India's, Vietnams, and other countries military apsects.

    Oh well.

    The cat is out of the bag, it never left the concept stage.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:42 am

    So mutch talking about T-95. I tought it finished.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:49 am

    The T-95 being cancelled doesn't seem to be official yet.

    I remember a while back the Hermes missile was cancelled too.

    That made sense at the time... who needs a helicopter launched missile with a range of 15km-20km when the in service helos had no radar and no means to detect targets beyond about 6km. ATAKA was cheaper and fit the role, plus there were plenty in stocks.
    Also very few Mi-28Ns were in service and their radar was not fully operational yet.
    Now that Mi-28Ns are entering service and Ka-52s are coming on line in small numbers it makes sense to switch to Hermes missiles.

    The same with the Su-27M or the first Su-35. Didn't get a customer and so died as a project, but will never enter service now. Lots of bits developed for it became part of the Su-30MKI and even Su-34, but by the time the Su-35BM was developed most of the bits and pieces were more related to the T-50 than the Su-27M.

    I would expect the same with the T-95, right now many of the technologies it is using are brand new and are probably not mature technologies yet so why bother introducing it now when you already have too many tanks. Step one is to finalise the T-90 design, which will be something based on the Burlak upgrade. Step two is to increase production of the upgraded T-90 and to start removing from service older model tanks starting with those that have not been upgraded at all and also those that don't have the same calibre main gun like the T-54/55 and T-62s. This will allow the withdrawl of the stocks of ammo for those calibres and perhaps gift or sale of them to a country that you might be targeting for a sale. ie country x is thinking about buying aircraft y or air defence missile system z has T-55s in service so if they buy more than 20 systems they can have 500 T-55s and an ammo factory to make as much ammo as they want.
    The point is that T-55s that are used to save wear and tear on new tanks in Russian service are not a good training model because no autoloader and ammo is different.
    Training on T-72s makes more sense.

    Perhaps to continue the Russian tradition of using old tanks for training they should make a T-90 light that weighs 25 ton without most of the heavy armour, with a less powerful cheaper to run engine that troops can practise in but use less fuel with maybe a 57mm gun with ammo especially made to match 125mm gun trajectories to reduce the cost of training. With the Yak-130 it will be done with aircraft.
    With armour removed and a smaller main gun you could fit instructors in the hull next to the driver and behind the gunner and commander to assess their performance cross country in the field.

    It was obvious that the concept of closing a lot projects wasn't because of their technology, it was because it probably did not meet most others expectations in an MBT in terms of cost and capability. In other words, they will build the next MBT's around India's, Vietnams, and other countries military apsects.

    This vehicle needs to be netcentric and it needs UAVs to be operational to support it. This will take 5 years to mature so why introduce it now when you can suspend it for 5 years and let new technologies improve.
    It could be like the Su-30M and the Su-30MKI where the Su-30M was simply a two seat Flanker with a big expensive radar able to mini AWACS a formation of lesser fighters, whereas the Su-30MKI was a fully multirole fighterbomber that was much more capable.
    Or it could be the T-50 which will be developed for the Russian AF and a seperate aircraft based on the T-50 which Russian and Indian engineers will modify to Indian and export needs.

    In one case the Russian aircraft didn't really go anywhere, but the Indian collaboration greatly improved the aircraft.
    In the other case the Indian collaboration was simply for export and Indian use though some innovations might find their way back to the Russian version.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:58 am

    The biggest reason T-95 was cancelled is because India and Saudi Arabia didn't want to fund its development.

    So perhaps reading the title of this thread should suggest that India has changed its mind and is going to joint develop and presumably joint fund the T-95 program?

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:58 am

    GarryB wrote:

    So perhaps reading the title of this thread should suggest that India has changed its mind and is going to joint develop and presumably joint fund the T-95 program?

    The source of the OP came from a blog so it has no basis in fact. We have heard it out of the mouth of Popovkin T-95 will be obsolete the moment it comes off the shelf and that funding was suspended last year.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Stalingradcommando on Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:20 pm

    Viktor wrote:India and Russia are planning to jointly develop a futuristic 'smart' battle tank, having higher speed and better firepower, reports quoting Nikolai Malykh, director general of Russia's biggest battle factory Uralvagonzavod (UVZ), as saying.

    The two sides had preliminary discussions on the issue and defence ministry experts in India will discuss the new project when a delegation of the (UVZ) tank-building factory visits India this week to participate in an international seminar on the future main battle tank (FMBT) organised by the Army along with the Confederation of Indian Industry, according to Malykh.

    ''We put forward this idea (of developing the tank) at the turn of the 21st century. The Indian side has now come up with a similar proposal," the Moscow Defence Brief (MDB) magazine quoted Malykh as saying.

    ''We will take the first step when our experts go to India to attend a conference on the future tank and prospects for the tank-building industry," Malykh said on the sidelines of a defence expo.


    The new tank will have higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a smoother ride and improved armour protection for crew, the report said.

    Armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader, to ensure the survivability of highly trained human assets, it said.

    Information for the crew will be networked using a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and satellites.

    The move comes even as the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had suggested a joint assessment with the Indian Army to save the main battle tank (MBT) Arjun and keep the project alive.

    The rmy, however, has rejected by the idea. The army is also ambiguous on a suggestion by the DRDO that the tank be assessed head-to-head with the T-90 MBTs the army currently operates.

    A leading Russian defence expert says it makes good sense for India and Russia to join hands in building a futuristic tank.

    India has purchased over 1,600 T-90S MBTs from the UVZ of which 1,000 will be manufactured at the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi. Uralvagonzavod has for a long time been cooperating with the Avadi plant in the production of T-72 and T-90S MBTs.

    What`s the source of this?

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:51 pm

    Cant remember now nor am I anywhere near my home computer so ...

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    Russia tests engine for Indian fighter jet

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:23 pm


    Russia tests engine for Indian fighter jet

    RIA Novosti

    17:03 10/11/2010

    MOSCOW, November 10 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has started in-flight tests of an Indian domestically-designed gas turbine engine for an indigenous light fighter, state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said Wednesday.

    The engine, dubbed Kaveri, has been designed by India's Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) for the Tejas light fighter developed under the Indian national program Light Combat Aircraft.

    "The first flight of an Il-76LL test aircraft with a Kaveri engine set in place of one of the plane's engines continued for 45 minutes and confirmed the results of ground tests," Rosoboronexport said in a statement.

    About 50 in-flight tests have been scheduled for the next few months to confirm the engine's characteristics and reliability.

    "After that, the engine will be tested on the Tejas fighter," the statement said.

    Despite numerous delays in the development of the Kaveri engine, India still hopes to put it on the later version of the Tejas aircraft.

    The current version of the Tejas fighter is equipped with a single GE F404 afterburning turbofan engine developed by General Electric. India has recently ordered at least 99 advanced GE F414 engines for the next production batch of Tejas.

    The Indian Air Force is reported to have a requirement for 200 single-seat Tejas fighters and 20 two-seat conversion trainers, while the Indian Navy may order up to 40 single-seaters.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2010/india-101110-rianovosti01.htm

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    Russia, India may hold joint military drills annually

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:56 pm


    Russia, India may hold joint military drills annually
    RIA Novosti

    17:56 08/12/2010

    NEW DELHI, December 8 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian-Indian joint Indra military drills will involve three branches of the armed forces and may be held every year in the future, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Wednesday.

    Gen. Nikolai Makarov, who is on a three-day official visit to India, spoke after meeting his Indian counterpart, Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik, and other top military commanders.

    "We have agreed that the Indra exercises in 2011 will involve the Ground Forces, the Navy and the Air Force," Makarov said, adding that they could be held annually from next year.

    The Indian and Russian military have conducted Indra joint biennial exercises since 2003, but the drills have never involved all three branches of the armed forces.

    The latest drills were held in October 2010 in the Indian Himalayas.

    Russia sent more than 200 troops from its 34th mountain brigade, based in the North Caucasus, to join the Indian troops in the exercises.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/12/mil-101208-rianovosti01.htm

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:06 am

    This is good news.

    I am sure both sides will learn a lot.

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    India, Russia register JV to produce transport aircraft

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:59 am


    India, Russia register JV to produce transport aircraft

    RIA Novosti

    19:55 16/12/2010 NEW DELHI, December 16 (RIA Novosti) - India and Russia have registered a joint venture, MTA Limited, to develop and manufacture a new transport aircraft in line with previous agreements, the head of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

    An agreement for MTA Limited between HAL and Russia's United Aircraft Corporation and state arms exporter Rosoboronexport was signed in September.

    "The joint venture was registered in the beginning of December in Bangalore," Ashok Nayak told RIA Novosti. "Work on the preliminary design will start in January 2011."

    With a payload capacity of 20 tons and speed of 810 km per hour, the multirole transport aircraft (MTA) is set to be another milestone in decades-old India-Russia defense relationship that is evolving from a buyer-seller to co-developers of cutting-edge military equipment.

    The total development cost is around $600 million to be equally shared by both sides.

    Manufacturing facilities will be set up in both Russia and India. At least 205 planes are to be made, 30 percent of which may be exported to third countries.

    The MTA is expected to make its maiden flight in 2016-18.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/12/mil-101216-rianovosti05.htm

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:58 am

    If it is based on an existing aircraft then development should be relatively quick and straight forward.

    Will be a timely replacement for An-12s in the Russian Air force.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:25 am

    GarryB wrote:If it is based on an existing aircraft then development should be relatively quick and straight forward.

    Will be a timely replacement for An-12s in the Russian Air force.

    Since it will be based on cargo version of An-148 it will be ready on time. In fact, it is already in production for civil use.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:38 am

    AFAIK the requirements for dimensions basically rules out the An-148 design as a basis no matter what Antonov says.

    Ilyusion is the Russian partner in this program and as far as I can tell they want a new aircraft with the cross section of an Il-76 but obviously shorter.

    The An-148 is just an An-72 with more conventionally mounted engines in underwing pods.

    It is a 6-10 ton class aircraft so stretching it to 20 tons would take some redesign work.

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    Huge Indian Munition Deal in the works

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:23 am

    http://www.itar-tass.com/c9/390764.html

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-04-12/india/31330890_1_psu-bharat-dynamics-indigenous-arjun-tanks-avadi-heavy-vehicles-factory

    Is this true? The numbers are huge:

    25,000 Invar missiles. (Refleks)
    66,000 APFSDS rounds
    10,000 Konkurs-M

    Deal is around 1.2 billion dollars all things considered.

    This is huge, any Indian member want to comment?

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:36 am

    Well that will be good income for the Russian ammo makers.

    Of course if they are ordering for the upgraded T-72s and T-90Ss they have in service then they wont be selling their latest ammo... the new longer APFSDS rounds designed for the new gun for the T-90AM that operate at slightly higher pressures.

    25,000 gun tube launched ATGMs is a good number as well... hopefully they use the funds to upgrade their production facilities and also improve the missiles themselves.

    A main gun mounted in a tank is not going to be able to elevate more than 22-23 degrees but by using the terrain it should be possible to increase that elevation.

    I rather expect that in its external mount the gun on the Armata will be able to elevate higher and lower than current main guns to allow perhaps extended range engagements with lofted missiles. The added advantage of a lofted trajectory is that the missile would come in at a steeper angle which would negate the effect of angled armour plate so it would have less armour to penetrate, with the added advantage of a high flight path and steep dive onto the target making obstructions like trees and wires less of an obstacle.

    It is important to note they are talking about anti armour ammo, so APFSDS rounds, Svir ATGMs and AT-5 ATGMs, so locally produced HE shells are clearly not in short supply.

    I wonder if they are considering an order for Kornet-EM... its performance looks very very good on paper and its wireless control method would make it ideal for armoured vehicle and helicopter and even fixed wing use from manned and unmanned aircraft.

    With automatic target tracking the guidance accuracy will be much better than manually tracked systems especially if the launch platform comes under fire and has to evade.

    I am surprised that India hasn't chosen to create a joint venture with Russian companies to design a diving top attack fire and forget missile that can be launched from a 125mm smooth bore gun... it wouldn't need to be very big in terms of calibre because a diving top attack weapon is attacking the thin top armour of vehicles which is traditionally thin and vulnerable because it is normally do difficult to target properly.

    Radar guided Hellfire and Brimstone missiles prove an active radar seeker in MMW radar frequency can be mass produced cheaply, though they are 152mm calibre weapons.

    A decent small MMW radar seeker would be a very handy thing too, for missiles and even bombs.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  TR1 on Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:38 am

    Russian sources for a while now have been blaming the supposedly bad accuracy of Indian T-90s on sub-par ammunition made domestically. This might be vindication of that...

    10,000 Konkurs surprises me, did not know they have that many launchers.

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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:08 am

    Well poor accuracy with domestic APFSDS rounds is not much of a surprise... it is not the easiest thing to get right... considering they both use the same calibre I would think they would get together and develop new ammo in a joint venture... a new system to replace/upgrade ANIET, a new missile with fire and forget diving top attack flight profile and a new APFSDS.

    The thing is however that without the joint venture all this time the Russians have been working on their own and are probably getting the products they want already.

    The vast majority of their existing fleet has a similar gun to the gun they used in the 1980s, but their upgrades of T-72s and existing T-90s and new T-90s and Armatas means that most of their fleet, both operational and in reserve will have newer gun types able to handle higher pressure ammo that has been more recently developed, so the older lower pressure shorter penetrator designs will be made for export only.

    I am surprised they spent money on buying Konkurs... I would think in those sorts of volumes that it might be more efficient to buy a licence to licence produce them. Of course the plan might be to buy some now and then in a few years pick a replacement and licence produce that instead.

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