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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  dino00 on Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:50 pm

    Toros 4x4 armored vehicle now in service with the Russian Airborne Troops

    The Russian Airborne Troops formally inducted the Toros 4x4 armored vehicle, according to pictures of the Airborne Troops Day celebration 2018 held in the Park Patriot, near Moscow. The vehicle was developed by the Russian consortium "INTRALL" and UAMZ Group for the needs of the Armed forces, Law enforcements and EMERCOM.





    A Russian Airborne Troops' Toros 4x4 armored vehicle
    (Credit: Vitaly Kuzmin)


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:33 pm

    VDV can get a prospective helicopter by 2026



    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180823/1527076373.html


    Kubinka (Moscow region), August 23 - RIA Novosti. In Russia, a perspective helicopter is being created for the Airborne Forces - Helicopter landing vehicle, the first prototypes may begin to arrive in the troops in 2026, the executive director of the Moscow Helicopter Plant named after Sergei Romanenko said on Thursday.

    "Now we have technical requirements for the helicopter landing vehicle in the framework of the working group with the Airborne Forces." This car is for eight paratroopers, practically BMD, only in the air with all the capabilities of take-off and landing, including in high-altitude conditions, "said he was at a round table on the "Army-2018".


    Romanenko expressed the hope that the experimental design work for this machine will be opened in 2019, the first prototypes will begin to arrive in the army in 2026.

    Prior to this, the modernized helicopters Mi-8AMTSH-VN will handle similar tasks in the Airborne Forces. It is expected that the promising machine will receive a more powerful VK-2500 engine.


    Chopper perhaps is perspective but concept not really







    Taking into account VSTOL fighter , TAKR revival and now "new" Mi-24 I can say one:






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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  eehnie on Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:20 am

    dino00 wrote:Toros 4x4 armored vehicle now in service with the Russian Airborne Troops

    The Russian Airborne Troops formally inducted the Toros 4x4 armored vehicle, according to pictures of the Airborne Troops Day celebration 2018 held in the Park Patriot, near Moscow. The vehicle was developed by the Russian consortium "INTRALL" and UAMZ Group for the needs of the Armed forces, Law enforcements and EMERCOM.





    A Russian Airborne Troops' Toros 4x4 armored vehicle
    (Credit: Vitaly Kuzmin)


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    https://www.armyrecognition.com/august_2018_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/toros_4x4_armored_vehicle_now_in_service_with_the_russian_airborne_troops.html


    In all the pictures of the day, the Toros appear without plates, unlike the rest of wheeled auxiliary vehicles.

    Not sure if it has been officially adopted, but seems likely to enter after to be included in a official demonstration.

    In my opinion the Toros would be redundant with other options previously adopted in its category of auxiliary vehicles.

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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  Labrador on Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:21 pm

    About new T-72B3 unusal never aiborne units have such vehicle ! 60 in service, Russian wiki
    For 3 tank battalions https://www.janes.com/article/82149/russian-airborne-troops-to-be-reinforced-by-three-tank-battalions
    normaly 31 for each as Army ( armored Bn in armored Bde/Rgt, 41 for Bns in mech Bde/Rgt ) or i have also in 6 Sqns of 10 ? and rattached with what Divisions or Bdes ?
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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  franco on Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:35 pm

    Labrador wrote:About new T-72B3 unusal never aiborne units have such vehicle ! 60 in service, Russian wiki
    For 3 tank battalions https://www.janes.com/article/82149/russian-airborne-troops-to-be-reinforced-by-three-tank-battalions
    normaly 31 for each as Army ( armored Bn in armored Bde/Rgt, 41 for Bns in mech Bde/Rgt ) or i have also in 6 Sqns of 10 ? and rattached with what Divisions or Bdes ?

    Battalion each with the 7th and 76th Airborne Divisions plus companies with the 11th, 31st, 56th and 83rd brigades. These units are the Air Assault branch of the Airborne Forces and are attached to support the local Military Districts while the two "para" divisions (98th and 106th) remain the national strategic reserve of the General Staff.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:38 am

    Flying IVF for  VDV saga continues..

    . till 2026 at least  Cool  Cool  Cool
    28/8/2018
    “Within the framework of the working group with the Airborne Forces, technical requirements for a“ helicopter airborne assault vehicle ”were formed. This vehicle for eight paratroopers, practically BMD, is only in the air, with all the capabilities of take-off and landing, including in mountain conditions, ”said Sergey Romanenko, executive director of the Moscow Helicopter Plant, at the Army-2018 forum.
    https://iz.ru/781842/denis-komarovskii/letaiushchaia-bronia-pochemu-novyi-vertolet-dlia-vdv-nazvali-boevoi-mashinoi

    I rechecked and indeed that concept was already considered in USSR. Mi-24 was first implementation however its transport functions were not really used. In USSR Mil Mi-42 t be was to be kind of flying IVF actively carrying landing troops and performing  fire support, medvac and transport functions.  How much new hello will besimilar to thos in 80a dunno but Mi-42 still looks cool  russia  russia  russia  Speed u  to 400km/h, NOTAR , 8







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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:21 am

    When I read about that concept... quite a few years ago... I pretty much envisaged a Tigr like vehicle that attached to a Ka-226 like vehicle... with the Tigr as the sort of mission pod that can be delivered or picked up by the Ka-226... but the Ka-226 is just the top piece... extra fuel, engines and rotor assembly that attaches to the roof of the vehicle... perhaps with a recess in the rear roof of the Tigr so when fitted the engines are partially obscured by the roof structure of the vehicle.

    That would protect the engines from small arms fire from the ground and all the armour (weight) could be applied to the light vehicle protecting the troops inside.

    The helicopter portion could be a UAV type thing that would fly out to where the vehicle was and attach and then the driver of the vehicle could then fly the vehicle and the UAV component back to base... or conversely could fly the vehicle into an area of rough terrain where is could drive around a bit with the UAV helicopter portion flying away to a safe area... or to provide an airborne view of proceedings but immediately able to come in and fly the vehicle away at a moments notice.

    If the UAV helicopter component gets damaged or shot down a replacement can be sent in to recover the vehicle... of course then it gets to the point where you say... why bother sending people into harms way... send robots and unmanned ground vehicles...
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:05 am

    Although I have seen on pro western/NATO forums slating the idea. Although the mi-10 helicopter was kinda similar although no real recess but it's not a far flung idea. A mi-24, ka-226, mi-17 & mi-26 could all be adapted for such a concept quite easily and would give u various options for size of drop off vehicle
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    Post  Hole on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:20 pm

    There was also a project called Mi-40 in the 90´s. It was a Mi-28 with a troop cabin like the Mi-24/-35. This Mi-42 looks like an fully armored, refined follow-on to the Mi-8.

    It seems Russia is now resurrecting all the programs from the 80´s and 90´s that couldn´t be finished thanks to Gorbi and Jelzin.

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    Post  Labrador on Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:10 pm

    franco wrote:
    Labrador wrote:About new T-72B3 unusal never aiborne units have such vehicle ! 60 in service, Russian wiki
    For 3 tank battalions https://www.janes.com/article/82149/russian-airborne-troops-to-be-reinforced-by-three-tank-battalions
    normaly 31 for each as Army ( armored Bn in armored Bde/Rgt, 41 for Bns in mech Bde/Rgt ) or i have also in 6 Sqns of 10 ? and rattached with what Divisions or Bdes ?

    Battalion each with the 7th and 76th Airborne Divisions plus companies with the 11th, 31st, 56th and 83rd brigades. These units are the Air Assault branch of the Airborne Forces and are attached to support the local Military Districts while the two "para" divisions (98th and 106th) remain the national strategic reserve of the General Staff.
    thumbsup 

    But yet done for all units or planned ? do about 102 T-72B3 i have 60 delivered…

    BTW i see 45000 or 60000 troops have you a number ?

    For Army also i see 280000 - 35000 i think the more big
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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:23 pm

    Labrador wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Labrador wrote:About new T-72B3 unusal never aiborne units have such vehicle ! 60 in service, Russian wiki
    For 3 tank battalions https://www.janes.com/article/82149/russian-airborne-troops-to-be-reinforced-by-three-tank-battalions
    normaly 31 for each as Army ( armored Bn in armored Bde/Rgt, 41 for Bns in mech Bde/Rgt ) or i have also in 6 Sqns of 10 ? and rattached with what Divisions or Bdes ?

    Battalion each with the 7th and 76th Airborne Divisions plus companies with the 11th, 31st, 56th and 83rd brigades. These units are the Air Assault branch of the Airborne Forces and are attached to support the local Military Districts while the two "para" divisions (98th and 106th) remain the national strategic reserve of the General Staff.
    thumbsup 

    But yet done for all units or planned ? do about 102 T-72B3 i have 60 delivered…

    BTW i see 45000 or 60000 troops have you a number ?

    For Army also i see 280000 - 35000 i think the more big

    Last year 6 tank companies formed and this year 2 companies expanded to battalions. Tank total should be by end of the year.

    Airborne Forces are 45,000. Expansion of the 31st brigade to a 3-regiment division, plus the other 4 divisions getting a 3rd regiment would get you close to 60,000.

    Ground Forces are somewhere between 305,000 -320,000. This would not include those units under Navy command.
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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  eehnie on Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:36 pm

    Hole wrote:There was also a project called Mi-40 in the 90´s. It was a Mi-28 with a troop cabin like the Mi-24/-35. This Mi-42 looks like an fully armored, refined follow-on to the Mi-8.

    It seems Russia is now resurrecting all the programs from the 80´s and 90´s that couldn´t be finished thanks to Gorbi and Jelzin.

    The Mi-42 was part of the Mi-40 program, and is based on the Mi-28.

    To note the adaptation of the Airborne Troops to the use of combat helicopters. Likely the use of small aircrafts will decline and disappear with the exhaustion of the remaining units.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:... of course then it gets to the point where you say... why bother sending people into harms way... send robots and unmanned ground vehicles...

    after robots you still need to send people and they 'd better to be secured


    Hole wrote:There was also a project called Mi-40 in the 90´s. It was a Mi-28 with a troop cabin like the Mi-24/-35. This Mi-42 looks like an fully armored, refined follow-on to the Mi-8.
    It seems Russia is now resurrecting all the programs from the 80´s and 90´s that couldn´t be finished thanks to Gorbi and Jelzin.


    Indeed Mi-8 is now uparmoured with new materials/avionics. But Russia is not resurrecting those programmes due to joy of it. they were just very much justified concepts and far ahead of its time... look at US Vertical Future Lift and spot 10 differences to VDV/"flying IFV"



    d_taddei2 wrote:Although I have seen on pro western/NATO forums slating the idea. Although the mi-10 helicopter was kinda similar although no real recess but it's not a far flung idea. A mi-24, ka-226, mi-17 & mi-26 could all be adapted for such a concept quite easily and would give u various options for size of drop off vehicle

    heh, I wonder if were they slating VFL as well? Razz Razz Razz Vertical future Lift (newest US program) is actually same  concept as 80s Soviet one...
    In short it will be either tilt rotor (one VDV wants) or new gen chopper with speeds 400-600km/h,  armored, with ability of gunship support and troops transport. It likely can be used also in autonomous mode.









    eehnie wrote:To note the adaptation of the Airborne Troops to the use of combat helicopters. Likely the use of small aircrafts will decline and disappear with the exhaustion of the remaining units.

    and they use any of small now? I mean for airlift operations.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:56 pm

    Fifty Russian paratroopers land in Cairo during joint drills

    Joint tactical drills "Defenders of Friendship 2018" are held on the territory of Egypt on October 13-26 with participation of over 400 servicemen from the two countries


    MOSCOW, October 22. /TASS/. Russian paratroopers have landed near Egypt's Cairo in the framework of joint internaitonal drills "Defenders of Friendship 2018," the Russian Defense Ministry's department of information and media said on Monday.

    Joint tactical drills are held on the territory of Egypt on October 13-26 with participation of over 400 servicemen from the two countries. The military exercise will be held on several aerodromes and will involve 15 aircraft and helicopters, as well as 10 units of military equipment dropped by parachute.

    "Fifty Russian paratroopers landed as a unit by parachute from the S-130 planes belonging to Egypt's Air Forces," the defense ministry said.

    The press service added that over the last eight days, paratroopers from both countries trained to use grenade launchers, machine guns and automatic weapons of different calibers in combat at the training range of Egyptian paratroopers. "Over the course of combat coordination activities, Egyptian servicemen learned to operate the Ratnik [future infantry combat] system which considerably increases the effectiveness and survival rates of a paratrooper on the battlefield," the defense ministry said.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1027282


    Joint Russian-Egyptian paratrooper drills to take place in Russia in 2019

    The exact date has not yet been determined

    MOSCOW, October 24. /TASS/. The next joint Russian-Egyptian paratrooper drills will take place in Russia in 2019, Russian airborne troops commander Major General Alexei Naumets stated on Wednesday during the exercises in Egypt.

    "Next year, we have invited them, the drills will be held on the Russian territory. We have not determined the exact time frame and dates yet," Naumets said.

    The Russian general reminded that in 2017, joint Russian-Egyptian tactical drills took place near Novorossiysk.

    The Defenders of Friendship-2018 joint drills are taking place in Egypt from October 13 to October 26. Several airfields, more than 15 multirole helicopters and aircraft, 10 units of combat hardware deployed with the help of parachute systems and as well as over 400 servicemen from Russia and Egypt are engaged in the drills.


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    Post  LMFS on Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:59 pm

    The transition to aeromobility: what will come of the airborne troops

    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/https/vpk.name/news/235748_perehod_k_aeromobilnosti_k_chemu_pridut_desantnyie_voiska.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:21 am

    Looks like VDV would be "land USMC" in Russia ;-)
    Tanks, army aviation, artillery, choppers and tilt rotors
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:59 am

    VDV new transport/assault chopper saga continued:


    And at the Moscow plant named after M.L. Mile specifically for the Airborne Forces want to develop a new helicopter. The executive director of the company, Sergey Romanenko, announced this at the Army-2018 forum. According to him, the machine, designed for 8 people, will be able to fly and land in various conditions, including in the highlands. Development work on this project should start next year, and the delivery of prototypes is scheduled for 2026th.

    so flying IVF is real after all...


    https://rg.ru/2018/11/20/kakie-vertolety-i-kompleksy-pvo-mogut-poluchit-desantnye-vojska.html
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    Post  Hole on Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:51 am

    Landing in the highlands!
    This will not go down well in Scotland. Laughing
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:39 pm

    Hole wrote:Landing in the highlands!
    This will not go down well in Scotland. Laughing
    Hahaha I'd welcome them if they were coming to liberate us from Westminster rule and help give us independence.  Lol
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Hole wrote:Landing in the highlands!
    This will not go down well in Scotland. Laughing
    Hahaha I'd welcome them if they were coming to liberate us from Westminster rule and help give us independence.  Lol

    Then you can always challenge  VDV  who can dring better ! and scane New Zealanders too. Nothing personal GB lol1 lol1 lol1


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    Re: Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:44 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:VDV new transport/assault  chopper saga continued:


    And at the Moscow plant named after M.L. Mile specifically for the Airborne Forces want to develop a new helicopter. The executive director of the company, Sergey Romanenko, announced this at the Army-2018 forum. According to him, the machine, designed for 8 people, will be able to fly and land in various conditions, including in the highlands. Development work on this project should start next year, and the delivery of prototypes is scheduled for 2026th.

    so flying IVF is real after all...


    https://rg.ru/2018/11/20/kakie-vertolety-i-kompleksy-pvo-mogut-poluchit-desantnye-vojska.html

    so they want a transport helicopter similar to Blackhawk?
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    Post  Hole on Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:12 am

    The Mi-24/-35 can already transport 8 people and fly in various conditions. unshaven

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