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    Post  Bolt on Thu May 07, 2015 5:08 pm

    GarryB wrote:The VDV is not a front line force.

    The purpose of the VDVs armour is primarily mobility.

    Imagine a conflict with an enemy where a VDV operation is planned to take an airfield deep in the rear areas of the enemy forces. To directly land at that airfield would leave the cargo aircraft full of elite troops vulnerable to air defences which should be reasonable around a significant airfield even if there is not a large number of enemy troops or frontline MBTs.

    The purpose of the BMDs is that the VDV can land in the middle of nowhere 100km away from their airfield target... the enemy wont know what the target is, but with BMD vehicles they should be able to get to the airfield in less than 2 hours and mount an armoured attack on perimeter security forces with little or no armour and air defence systems... BMDs will stop HMG fire from the front... and their weapons will easily wipe out any resistance at that airfield... once they have captured it they can fly in reserves and then they can start flying in standard units and create a major foothold deep in enemy territory from which they can expand and attack enemy forces from behind... conventional ground forces can link up and really take the fight to the enemy.

    I'm not saying that VDV should not have a capability to be airdropped with their lighter vehicles at all. The fact that they just have such possibility makes an enemy think of defenses in his rear echelons, thus making his lines thinner - he can't be everywhere (unless it's the PLA we're speaking of).
    But the fact is, when it comes to a real conflict, VDV usually fights as a "standard", highly-trained and motivated motor-rifle infantry. To be honest, I'm not aware of any sorts of air drops with vehicles they did during the recent conflicts (but it doesn't mean I'm saying they did not do it, I just don't know much on this subject).
    I think they should keep their BMDs, so that when the time comes that they are needed to complete an airdrop mission (1% chance that it will be needed, but still it exists), they will do it. But adding tanks to their ranks is a good sign, meaning that when they fight as usually the do it (old-school, on the ground, without parachuting) they will have better firepower and what is more important, better armour.

    Hopefully, they will make everything as flexible as possible - depending on the situation, they could be given light vehicles or normal tanks.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu May 07, 2015 6:46 pm

    Bolt wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The VDV is not a front line force.

    The purpose of the VDVs armour is primarily mobility.

    Imagine a conflict with an enemy where a VDV operation is planned to take an airfield deep in the rear areas of the enemy forces. To directly land at that airfield would leave the cargo aircraft full of elite troops vulnerable to air defences which should be reasonable around a significant airfield even if there is not a large number of enemy troops or frontline MBTs.

    The purpose of the BMDs is that the VDV can land in the middle of nowhere 100km away from their airfield target... the enemy wont know what the target is, but with BMD vehicles they should be able to get to the airfield in less than 2 hours and mount an armoured attack on perimeter security forces with little or no armour and air defence systems... BMDs will stop HMG fire from the front... and their weapons will easily wipe out any resistance at that airfield... once they have captured it they can fly in reserves and then they can start flying in standard units and create a major foothold deep in enemy territory from which they can expand and attack enemy forces from behind... conventional ground forces can link up and really take the fight to the enemy.

    I'm not saying that VDV should not have a capability to be airdropped with their lighter vehicles at all. The fact that they just have such possibility makes an enemy think of defenses in his rear echelons, thus making his lines thinner - he can't be everywhere (unless it's the PLA we're speaking of).
    But the fact is, when it comes to a real conflict, VDV usually fights as a "standard", highly-trained and motivated motor-rifle infantry. To be honest, I'm not aware of any sorts of air drops with vehicles they did during the recent conflicts (but it doesn't mean I'm saying they did not do it, I just don't know much on this subject).
    I think they should keep their BMDs, so that when the time comes that they are needed to complete an airdrop mission (1% chance that it will be needed, but still it exists), they will do it. But adding tanks to their ranks is a good sign, meaning that when they fight as usually the do it (old-school, on the ground, without parachuting) they will have better firepower and what is more important, better armour.

    Hopefully, they will make everything as flexible as possible - depending on the situation, they could be given light vehicles or normal tanks.

    To be honest I'm not sure about the solution; GarryB is right that the VDV is not supposed to be used as a frontline force, but you are right that the VDV has been used as if it is.
    The fact is - is that VDV formations are amongst the most combat-ready and experienced  in the Russian military, with the largest proportion of professional servicemen. They are also among the quickest to deploy. Thus in any kind of Georgian war scenario where immediate reaction is critical; they could well find themselves right in the front-line again.

    However I'm certain that air-droppability is absolutely essential; for reasons I will go into in a bit. The question is whether they should also be assigned heavier, non air-droppable (but certainly air-deployable) vehicles to double up their current vehicles - effectively each crew will have a reserve vehicle. This will certainly give them additional protection and firepower options in any deployment where airdrops are not required.
    Problems:

    1). It would increase the logistics tail and the footprint of the formation. Twice the vehicles - means twice the maintenance and check-ups when the formation is at its permanent base. Redeploying the formation will use more fuel if the heavier vehicles are used.
    2). More expensive; vehicles/fuel/ammunition/maintenance/training.
    3). Training of vehicle crews becomes twice as demanding; instead of mastering 1 set of equipment, they have to master 2 sets, which may differ considerably. It would be difficult to guarantee that crews would be as good with both types of vehicles as they currently are with 1 type of vehicle. Vehicle crews would certainly have to be professional servicemen, not conscripts.
    4). If formations are deployed to another location indefinitely or semi-permanently, they may well have to bring both sets of vehicles along just in case; along with all the extra logistical demands that this would entail.

    As for air-droppable vehicles; they are here to stay.
    First of all - large-scale airdrops are rather more likely than you realize; albeit all of them would assume that air-superiority has been established against an enemy air-force:

    a). In conjunction with EW aircraft, ongoing SEAD sorties and suppression of air-defenses (if against a country whose air-defense technology is a couple generations behind or so)
    b). In a region where air-defences have been destroyed, and at a sufficient altitude to avoid possible AAA or MANPADs (mobile, independent systems like the Buk that can lie in wait would be something to fear, but in practice such systems are only in service with a handful of militaries around the world)
    c). In a region where no enemy air defences are in range (more likely for larger and poorer countries - Central Asia, Ukraine, Mongolia, etc...)

    Secondly - large-scale airdrops are not the only scenarios under which air-droppable vehicles would come in handy:

    i). Small-scale airdrops, possibly SF operations; an EW vehicle could suppress enemy sensors/comms for the formation, a BTR-MD could get them to the target far quicker and give them an exit plan, a Sprut-SD could augment them with far greater firepower.
    ii). Reinforcement of friendly territory, where no airfields are present anywhere near (think - most of Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia or China)
    iii). Reinforcement of friendly territory, where airfields have already been destroyed or have been captured by the enemy's advance elements
    iv). Helicopter-based assaults or reinforcements, air-droppable vehicles are light enough to be carried by Mi-26s. Such operations could be optimal for flying low in order to avoid radar cover, and the VDV formation when transported this way is less vulnerable to enemy fire than when transported by fixed-wing transports (the Crimea op last Spring was an example of such a missed opportunity).

    In addition, air-droppable vehicles are lighter, faster, less maintanance-heavy, have lower ground-pressure, are usually amphibious and tend to be more mobile. This fits in with the sort of terrain where the VDV might well be expected to operate in any case; marshes, mountain-regions, etc... heavier vehicles would tend to slow them down - even if they did have the option to use them.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 08, 2015 11:48 am

    Just look at the "invasion of Afghanistan"... landing vehicles at an airport and then taking vehicles to attack the local government forces...

    In Georgia they landed the VDV via naval forces... that is part of the flexibility of the VDV... they might be landed by sea, or by air... or as in the case of later in the conflict in Afghanistan they might be stationed in country and issued with heavier vehicles to operate on.


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    Post  George1 on Thu May 14, 2015 2:19 pm

    Russian paratroops arrive in Tajikistan for CSTO exercise

    According to earlier reports, 500 Russian paratroops and 60 pieces of equipment, as well as four planes and four helicopters will participate in the drills

    MOSCOW, May 14. /TASS/. Russian paratroops from the Ivanovo airborne force have arrived at an airdrome near Tajikistan’s capital Dushanbe for an exercise of the Collective Security Treaty Organization’s rapid reaction force, the Russian Defence Ministry’s press-service has said.

    According to earlier reports, 500 Russian paratroops and 60 pieces of equipment, as well as four planes and four helicopters will participate in the drills.

    "Special mobile groups on quadricycles and motorcycles, as well as BMD-2KU and BTR-D combat4 vehicles and self-propelled artillery pieces 2-S9 Nona and their crews disembarked from transport planes on the ground," the Defence Ministry said.

    At the moment the paratroops are getting ready for a march towards the area of the exercise 200 kilometres away. After negotiating several mountain passes they are to join their counterparts from other CSTO countries in the area of the village of Shaartuz.

    Eighteen Ilyushin-76 transport planes and one Antonov-124 Ruslan were used in the airlift. They made about 30 shuttle flights.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 8:23 pm

    In VDV will be reinforced by tank battalions

    T-14 on parachutes? or supa dupa Sprut with add-on armor?

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067349024.html

    Tank battalions will solve the problem of conflict in the area up to five kilometers, said the commander of the VDV. According to him, there are already a number of activities, which allowed to expand the area of exploration.

    MOSCOW, may 30 — RIA Novosti. Airborne assault division Airborne troops will be reinforced tank battalions, said Saturday the commander of the Airborne troops (VDV) of Russia, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov.
    "We plan to strengthen the firepower due to the fact that airborne assault units will appear in a separate tank battalions. This will allow you to solve a number of problems with antagonism in the direct zone of this action, up to five kilometers. Moreover, we have already held a number of events, which has allowed us to expand the area of exploration. Forming reconnaissance battalions, we are the first companies of these battalions have spetsnaz companies on managed parachutes," said Shamans in the program "General staff" on the radio RSN.
    VDV is highly mobile forces of the Russian Armed forces, designed to reach the enemy through the air and conduct combat operations in its rear. Day of Airborne troops is celebrated on 2 August in memory of the first drops landing in 1930.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 8:34 pm

    At the same time the commander said that the Russian Airborne Troops are prepared upon receipt of its order to act "anywhere in the world."
    "Without a doubt. I  was once asked about the visa - we do not need a visa, we need only the order of the Supreme Commander," - said Shamanov, responding to a question.


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    MOSCOW, May 30 - RIA Novosti. Russia risks being drawn into a war today are increasing, according to the commander of the Airborne Troops (VDV), Russian Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov.
    "Unfortunately, the trend shows that the risks increase, and me as manager, responsible for all aspects of the life of the armed forces, which will be actively involved, there is a concern. There is only one wish - to maintain momentum, which under the leadership of the president, we have created "- said Shamanov Saturday the radio" Russian news service ".
    At the same time the commander said that the Russian Airborne Troops are prepared upon receipt of its order to act "anywhere in the world."
    "Without a doubt. I was once asked about the visa - we do not need a visa, we need only the order of the Supreme Commander," - said Shamanov, responding to a question.


    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067352560.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 9:28 pm

    and one more for tonight lads: VDV no only no visas but also transcontinental  respekt  

    Shamanov: VDV proposes to create IL-76 MF with a extended fuselage

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067351687.html

    MOSCOW, May 30 - RIA Novosti. Russian Airborne offer to implement the program Il-76 MF - Creation of the aircraft fuselage is longer than the fuselage now existing IL-76, said Saturday the commander of the Airborne Troops (VDV), Russian Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov.

    "One of our proposals - is the realization of the program Il-76 MF, which is slightly longer fuselage fuselage now existing IL-76, and it will allow us a to solve a number of problems in transcontinental deployments in a sustainable way" - said Shamanov in the program, "the General Staff "on radio RSN.

    Today, he said, "it is necessary to begin development work on the basis of the Ulyanovsk plant". "This will also affect the development of our aircraft," - said Shamanov.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 30, 2015 11:43 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:In VDV will be reinforced by tank battalions

    T-14 on parachutes? or supa dupa Sprut with add-on armor?

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067349024.html

    Tank battalions will solve the problem of conflict in the area up to five kilometers, said the commander of the VDV. According to him, there are already a number of activities, which allowed to expand the area of exploration.

    MOSCOW, may 30 — RIA Novosti. Airborne assault division Airborne troops will be reinforced tank battalions, said Saturday the commander of the Airborne troops (VDV) of Russia, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov.
    "We plan to strengthen the firepower due to the fact that airborne assault units will appear in a separate tank battalions. This will allow you to solve a number of problems with antagonism in the direct zone of this action, up to five kilometers. Moreover, we have already held a number of events, which has allowed us to expand the area of exploration. Forming reconnaissance battalions, we are the first companies of these battalions have spetsnaz companies on managed parachutes," said Shamans in the program "General staff" on the radio RSN.
    VDV is highly mobile forces of the Russian Armed forces, designed to reach the enemy through the air and conduct combat operations in its rear. Day of Airborne troops is celebrated on 2 August in memory of the first drops landing in 1930.



    Not likely T-14, maybe a Kurganets-25 equivalent of Sprut-SD.
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    In VDV will be reinforced by tank battalions

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun May 31, 2015 12:20 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote: Not likely T-14, maybe a Kurganets-25 equivalent of Sprut-SD.

    I did some google-fu and looks like you are right

    Self-propelled gun "Sprut-SD" will surpass the T-90


    http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/novye_razrabotki/v_2015_godu_dlya_vdv_poyavitsya_modernizirovannaya_samokhodka_sprut_sd/

    An updated version of the self-propelled anti-tank guns "Sprut-SD" should appear before the end of the year. This was announced by first Vice-President of concern "tractor plants" Albert Bakov.

    - We're in full swing modernization "Sprut-SD". I'm sure this year we finish this work, - quotes the group's representative TASS.

    Bakov said that the upgraded machine will change the level of protection and mobility. In addition, the fire control system will have guns better than the T-90.




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    Thousands of Paratroopers, Quads Land During Airborne Drills in West Russia

    The joint military drill lasted four days and ended Friday night.

    During a joint military drill of the Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) which took place in Pskov Region, 2,000 military personnel landed with all-terrain vehicles; the event lasted four days and ended Friday night.

    More than 20 transport aircraft dropped around 2,000 paratroopers with quads and armored vehicles within a 30-minute period. Paratroopers from the Tula-based VDV formation were deployed at the training facilities of their Pskov counterparts to perform a deep airborne assault scenario. Soldiers were taught the kind of defensive tactics that are used when helicopter support isn’t provided for the first time. Command and control were conducted with the help of the brand-new digital telecommunication system Andromeda D.

    There are reports that the military plans to acquire about approximately 400 quads for the reconnaissance units of the VDV. These Russian-made military quads, which are used by the airborne troops, were revealed to the public first during the November 2014 joint Russian-Serbian anti-terrorist drills “SREM-2014”. Quads were also present during the Collective Security Treaty Organization military drills, held May 2015 in Tajikistan.

    Military police, currently under formation in the Russian armed forces, also plan to utilize all-terrain vehicles. They will be in use at the Arctic military bases that Russia is building or reconstructing.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150718/1024776279.html#ixzz3gGLmKZ9z


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    Post  franco on Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:39 pm

    The President was given the honorary name of two regiments


    Russian President awarded honorary name "Ryazan" 137th Guards Parachute Assault Regiment of the Order of the Red Star. Honorary name "Guards" was awarded the 4th anti-aircraft missile regiment. Military units were awarded these honorary titles for heroism and courage, fortitude and courage personnel in combat to defend the Fatherland and the public interest in terms of armed conflict, and considering their merits in peacetime. Decrees signed by the Head of State on July 22 (№ 379 and № 380).

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:30 am

    Also sth interesting:

    Russian Airborne Forces to get 80 newest assault vehicles by yearend — commander


    Airborne Forces to get 6 tank companies by yearend

    The commander also said the forces will get 6 tank companies by the end of 2015.

    "We plan to form 6 tank companies by the end of the year," he said.

    Shamanov previously said that all Airborne Forces' formations would get tank battalions.

    According to the military official, the Russian Airborne Forces have received additional resources for the research and development work on a wheeled vehicle with a combat module for special units. It has been reported that the Airborne Troops are working on a modular wheeled armoured vehicle jointly with the KamAZ truck manufacturer.

    So new wheeled tank for VDV?? VDV will have tank battalions as US Airborne troops


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:39 am

    VDV will have tank battalions as US Airborne troops

    What tanks does the US Airborne have?

    BTW the wheeled vehicle with a combat module (which could just be a BMP-3M turret BTW and not necessarily a tank turret), is likely a modification of either Boomerang or Typhoon.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:51 am

    GarryB wrote:
    VDV will have tank battalions as US Airborne troops

    What tanks does the US Airborne have?

    BTW the wheeled vehicle with a combat module (which could just be a BMP-3M turret BTW and not necessarily a tank turret), is likely a modification of either Boomerang or Typhoon.

    If it's KAMAZ then most likely they were talking about Typhoon K

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    Russian Defense Ministry to build up strength of airborne assault divisions

    Airborne troops commander Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov unveiled immediate plans for arming airborne assault divisions with reconnaissance and attack drones

    MOSCOW, July 30. /TASS/. Russia’s airborne forces are to build up the strength of airborne assault divisions to complement them with a third regiment, airborne troops commander Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov told the media on Thursday.

    Earlier, Shamanov said that a rapid reaction force would be created on the basis of airborne troops. According to a source in the General Staff, the paratroops’ strength will grow noticeably from 45,000 men to 60,000. The source also mentioned plans for restoring the 104th airborne assault division and create a new airborne assault brigade.

    "At the moment discussions with the General Staff are in progress. The structure of airborne assault divisions will be expanded and complemented with a third regiment," Shamanov said.

    He unveiled immediate plans for arming airborne assault divisions with reconnaissance and attack drones.

    "The units armed with unmanned aircraft are being formed. There are such units in the 83rd brigade in Ussuriysk and the 98th division in Ivanovo already. In several years’ time we plan to have such units in each division, regiment and brigade," Shamanov said.

    Also, the airborne troops are to form their own research and development group of five platoons for designing a flying airborne assault combat vehicle.

    "The idea of creating a research and development unit on the basis of the Ryazan Paratroop Academy has not materialized yet. We took the issue to the chief of the Armed Forces’ General Staff just recently. There is the understanding that there must be such a research and development group," Shamanov said.

    Paratroop units will soon be armed with a new ORSIS 7.62 mm sniper rifle. Its government certification tests are to be completed this year.

    "Its purchases are not on the agenda yet. We are prepared to have it for testing in the field. Our men and special task brigades were invited to check its combat parameters at different stages. Its readiness is positive by and large," Shamanov said.


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    Two Russian airborne units to take part in CSTO rapid reaction force drills for first time

    The CSTO rapid reaction force will practise a joint operation to localize an armed conflict to restore the territorial integrity and protect the constitutional order of a simulated member state

    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. Two Russian airborne units will for the first time participate simultaneously in the Interaction-2015 military drills of the rapid reaction forces organized by the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) member states, Russian Airborne Force Commander, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Shamanov said on Wednesday.

    Since the CSTO rapid reaction force was established in 2009, "the drills will for the first time involve the simultaneous participation of about 1,000 paratroopers from two Airborne Force units stationed in Ivanovo and Ulyanovsk: the 98th Guards Airborne Division and the 31st Guards Separate Air Assault [Peacekeeping] Brigade," Shamanov said.

    Joint headquarters comprising over 100 officers have been established to exercise control of the maneuvers, he said.

    "The headquarters composition is multinational and includes representatives of all member states," the Russian Airborne Force commander said.

    During the exercises, the CSTO rapid reaction force will practise a joint operation to localize an armed conflict to restore the territorial integrity and protect the constitutional order of a simulated member state, missions to destroy irregular armed formations, accomplish assignments for eliminating the consequences of emergency situations and carrying out search and special measures, Shamanov said.

    CSTO Secretary General Nikolai Bordyuzha will take part in the active phase of the maneuvers on August 27-28.

    The Collective Security Treaty Organization comprises Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:03 am

    Russian Paratroopers Set to Hold Anti-Terror Drills in Egypt for First Time

    Russian paratroopers plan to hold anti-terrorist exercises for the first time in Egypt in October and November this year, the paratroopers’ press service said Wednesday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Cairo and Moscow agreed to increase military, trade, security and economic cooperation earlier this year after a visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin to Egypt in February.

    In June, the first Russian-Egyptian naval drills, codenamed the Friendship Bridge 2015, were held in the Mediterranean Sea.

    “The first joint anti-terrorist exercises are planned in Egypt in October-November. [The exercises] have been included in the international operations plan and organizational and financial issues are currently being concluded,” the press service said.

    In August, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said military ties between the two countries were aimed at strengthening Egypt’s defense capabilities, including its ability to deal with the threat of terrorism.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150916/1027077795.html#ixzz3lwgNZuRj


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