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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:52 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why don't rebels put some AD systems around Donetsk and Gorlovka to shot down these goddamn artillery shells?

    Not much is needed - just some stationary AD systems linked to a decent radar and that's all. Rebels were even reproted to be in possession of a Pantsir.

    Novorussian army doesn't have Pantsirs. Their air defense have mostly MANPADs, ZU-23 guns and mobile Strela-10 bateries. Lugansk army also have 10 Osa-AKM, which they captured from Ukrainian army.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Regular on Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:45 pm



    12KM from Gorlovka. Ukrainian positions.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:49 pm

    Regular wrote:

    12KM from Gorlovka. Ukrainian positions.

    Who's shelling? NAF?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Regular on Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:38 pm

    Air conditioner exploded ofcourse. Read the title in video

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:43 pm

    It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

    Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

    The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

    Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

    Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:55 pm

    Yup, Kiev really wants to do all it can for the east to stay part of Ukraine and to play a constructive part in the future of the country. There seems to be a problem in Donetsk(West) of staying on that message but I am sure it will be rectified.

    KIEV, August 2. /TASS/. Police of Ukraine’s Donetsk region has put on the wanted list 11 ministers of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), head of region’s police Vyacheslav Abroskin said on Sunday. "In June and July 2015, the Donetsk region police put on the wanted list 11 so-called DPR ministers, who were on their posts as of the end of May this year," he wrote on his Facebook page.

    According to him, since the beginning of Kiev’s military operation in the east of Ukraine in April 2014, as many as 1,037 people have been put on the wanted list for the organisation of or participation in illegal paramilitary formations, which caused casualties, and 106 people - for the creation of a terrorist organisation. According to Abroskin, police have found 97 people on the list.

    According to the fifth point of the Package of Measures to implement the Minsk agreements, which was signed by the Contact Group on the Ukrainian crisis resolution on February 12, parties to the conflict shall grant amnesty to all participants in the hostilities in the east of the country.

    Earlier, head of the Donetsk region Paul Zhebrovsky said that part of current supporters of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics (DPR and LPR) should be amnesties. He also proposed to grant amnesties monthly, but so far this has not happened.

    Chief negotiators of the DPR and LPR republics, Denis Pushilin and Vladislav Deinego, urged Ukrainian representatives in the Contact Group to finally agree at the Minsk-3 negotiations in the Belarusian capital Minsk on August 3 on the special status of Donbass and "amnesty to the combat actions participants from both the militia and Ukraine." "We request you to reach the final agreements on issues of enactment of the law on the special status, granting amnesty to the combat operations’ participants both from the side of the militias and Ukraine, as well as the organisation of local elections in Donbass under a separate special law," Pushilin and Deinego said in the run-up to a meeting of the Contact Group and its working sub-groups in the Belarusian capital Minsk due on August 3. They also said that they have "once again sent to the Contact Group proposals on the settlement of these issues."

    The LPR and DPR representatives said the republics were committed to fulfilling all the requirements of the Package of Measures to implement the Minsk agreements within the established deadlines. "Therefore, we consider it necessary to accelerate our work. If we fail to settle these issues on August 3, we propose to Ukraine’s representatives to continue the work in Minsk until August 4 and August 5, if need be. If it takes a week, we are ready to stay in Minsk for the whole week," the LPR and DPR representatives said in a joint statement posted on the website of the Lugansk Inform Centre on July 31.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

    Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

    The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

    Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

    Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

    Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  whir on Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:16 pm

    International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) wrote:Ukraine: People in east need humanitarian aid
    31 JULY 2015

    Ukraine: People in east need humanitarian aid


    The head of our delegation in Ukraine, Alain Aeschlimann, explains how people affected by the conflict in Donetsk and Lugansk regions are struggling to cope, highlighting the ICRC's neutral independent humanitarian action and the current challenges that we face to help people in need. Continue reading.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:19 pm

    Regular wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Kiev has definitely developed an effective anti-separatist mechanism. No one uprising in one will be successful. Definitely not the first time this is happening. What I want to see is how well will Kiev be able to respond to multiple uprisings in multiple places.

    Each city, each town, each village, each settlement has their own cadre of right sector and/or svoboda thugs. Since the populace is unarmed nothing is going to happen for the near future. Cadre are immediately on the spot of any gathering and/or complaints by the locals and have no inhibitions what so ever about applying violence instantly. For a parallel see Germany 1936.

    I've heard that same titushki who were kicking early maidan buts were happily employed back by new "democratic" government. Since Right sector chain loosened a bit and dissident became more apparent. We can see people hitting the streets and showing their anger. Still You have to be very careful as SBU knows their job well. But it's already apparent that Ukraine is a house build of cards.

    Zactly maing, Ukraine was a Nation for sale since the Orange revolution, and this because it was utterly and coherently mismanaged. Right sector mythology however doesn't resist to analysis. It didn't become looser, it was split quite coherently by setting up the multiple "battalions" and in mean time propping up the National Guard. It created a phony competition between idiots that ended up with shit stains like Lyashka hurling crap to "legit" RS bydlos while nominally they were on the same poopmobile.

    And yeah what makes Ukraine such a calm place is that so far normal Ukrainians out of the ATO zone have two choices live in silence or become "colorados". Don't forget the other side's propaganda, until late i was dismissing it outright, until i met some "colleagues" from Ukraine face to face. They were telling how Russia did this or that, how the economy was being starved and Putin was retaliating and how all this was OTT from Russia etc. I asked them just one question: why had the number of adoption for the "Western World" (tm) from Ukraine exploded since 2005? Why had the number of single moms exploded in Ukraine since 2005? Why generally speaking the Ukrainian economy since 2005 had gone bust and who had held it out of the water for so long? Did you know what they said? Well it's (FUCKING) NORMAL for Russia to support its brethern. Can you imagine this? Then i asked why the ingratitude? They said, sometimes you have to hardball to have a better future...I asked Dima if he would hardball his wife to have a mistress? What would happen? He said he'd be broke...Well that's it man, you're broke.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:23 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

    Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

    The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

    Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

    Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

    Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

    I suppose that you wrote that with tongue on cheek?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:05 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

    Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

    The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

    Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

    Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

    Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

    I suppose that you wrote that with tongue on cheek?
    Can you give a link that says Russia is supplying the coal free please?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:37 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

    Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

    The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

    Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

    Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

    Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

    I suppose that you wrote that with tongue on cheek?
    Can you give a link that says Russia is supplying the coal free please?
    He can't, he's a troll. Only read his posts for amusement.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:02 am

    Perhaps someone will translate...

    Can't see much on one video, but you can hear the agitation and turmoil

    from Truth about situation in Ukraine, facebook

    in Dubrovytsya, Rivnens'Ka Oblast', Ukraine.
    2 hrs · Edited ·

    2nd August 2015, town Dubrovytsya, Rivne region

    4 days ago Kiev junta forces used firearms against peaceful protesters. Where are indignation from "democratic governments" and Western NGO's?

    Report of local media:
    "In the Rivne Region are first injured - the government doesn't know how to solve the situation. In the town Dubrovytsya are injured. In the center of town, more people gathering. Sergei Kyrkevych, the Head of Dubrovytsya district state administration accuses security forces in this situation. According to him, before this event police detained several amber miners, after meeting was gathered outside DSA. Men - amber miners demanded from local authorities to release their friends . District Prosecutor gave order to "break" people. Law enforcement began to shoot. I called ambulance car, because were injured, one car was fired. By doing so law enforcement set up whole area against the government, even though I requested that they [law enforcement] mustn't intervene, I would have solved it out myself..."

    Source, Rivne media
    http://vse.rv.ua/…/1438194001-na-rivnenshchini-ie-pershi-po…

    Report of eyewitness:
    "Raid of police took place on Dubrovytsya area there people getting amber. The police feel own power and didn't restrained itself in its actions. The people didn't like it and they began to defend themselves and to demand explanations for police actions, which no one hasn't given. The people from whole area gathered in the town center near the town council. As a result, in the center of town Dubrovytsya, MIA and National Guard of Kiev junta used a firearms, traumatic arms and light and noise grenades. Confirmation of all this you can see in the video, that was recorded by witnesses. Many injured people who were just pass-over. An example in front of my eyes was hit a woman by rifle butts, who fell down once. She was hit just for the fact that she was there. Many people were tied and brought to the district police station. People who were wounded by firearms, were immediately taken to hospital."
    Source
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyq74lpUxPY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=34&v=fBLocvOYhbQ

    As you can see in the video amber miners are not armed, they haven't sticks even. But Kiev junta police used firearms in order to disperse the people and detain some of them.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:14 am

    Today in Warsaw, Polish nationalists burned the flag of "the right sector":






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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:22 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:It had to happen, but you can hear the gritted teeth..

    Ukraine is holding talks with the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic to buy coal, the republic's prime minister Gennadiy Tsypkalov told journalists on Sunday.

    The country faces a heating crisis as it lacks the amount of coal needed to last the winter, according to Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The country's energy minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Ukraine would buy coal from "problematic directions." "The thing is that they are today holding talks for purchases. This actually exists. But for now Ukraine is not ready to recognize us as a business partner. We are ready and holding talks on this subject," Tsypkalov said. Tsypkalov did not make clear the nature of the talks.

    Shipments from coal-rich Donbass largely ceased as a result of Ukraine's military conflict with independence-seeking local militias. The head of Ukraine's national electric utility Ukrenergo said on Friday that it may begin electricity shut-offs as long as 2.5 hours at a time if the country is unable to maintain adequate coal reserves.

    Ukraine refused to continue buying natural gas from Russia in July, instead opting to buy "reverse" flow natural gas from neighboring EU countries at a smaller volume.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150802/1025326278.html#ixzz3hgG74agd

    Russia cannot afford Ukraine spiral into chaos on Russia's border. That's why Russia would supply coal to Ukraine for free if that is what is necessary. So IMO Ukraine does not need to buy coal from NAF in the first place and this is nothing but a PR stunt.

    I suppose that you wrote that with tongue on cheek?
    Can you give a link that says Russia is supplying the coal free please?
    He can't, he's a troll. Only read his posts for amusement.    
    I know but I enjoy giving the occasional poke of realism.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:25 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Today in Warsaw, Polish nationalists burned the flag of "the right sector":






    Oh look Kurwa Nationalist Idiots, burning the flag of other Geroyam Nationalist Idiots...Fvck I miss the Cold War.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:55 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Today in Warsaw, Polish nationalists burned the flag of "the right sector":
    *pictures*

    Oh look Kurwa Nationalist Idiots, burning the flag of other Geroyam Nationalist Idiots...Fvck I miss the Cold War.

    Just let them kill each other. Personally I am just happy to see the extinction of racist extremist thugs.

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    JohninMK wrote:KIEV, August 2. /TASS/. Police of Ukraine’s Donetsk region has put on the wanted list 11 ministers of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), head of region’s police Vyacheslav Abroskin said on Sunday. (...) Earlier, head of the Donetsk region Paul Zhebrovsky said that part of current supporters of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics (DPR and LPR) should be amnesties. He also proposed to grant amnesties monthly, but so far this has not happened.

    So basically they are still dreaming about Reconquista of Krym and Donbass ? Dear me.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  BKP on Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:40 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Kiev has definitely developed an effective anti-separatist mechanism. No one uprising in one will be successful. Definitely not the first time this is happening. What I want to see is how well will Kiev be able to respond to multiple uprisings in multiple places.

    Each city, each town, each village, each settlement has their own cadre of right sector and/or svoboda thugs. Since the populace is unarmed nothing is going to happen for the near future. Cadre are immediately on the spot of any gathering and/or complaints by the locals and have no inhibitions what so ever about applying violence instantly. For a parallel see Germany 1936.

    I've heard that same titushki who were kicking early maidan buts were happily employed back by new "democratic" government. Since Right sector chain loosened a bit and dissident became more apparent. We can see people hitting the streets and showing their anger. Still You have to be very careful as SBU knows their job well. But it's already apparent that Ukraine is a house build of cards.

    Zactly maing, Ukraine was a Nation for sale since the Orange revolution, and this because it was utterly and coherently mismanaged. Right sector mythology however doesn't resist to analysis. It didn't become looser, it was split quite coherently by setting up the multiple "battalions" and in mean time propping up the National Guard. It created a phony competition between idiots that ended up with shit stains like Lyashka hurling crap to "legit" RS bydlos while nominally they were on the same poopmobile.

    And yeah what makes Ukraine such a calm place is that so far normal Ukrainians out of the ATO zone have two choices live in silence or become "colorados". Don't forget the other side's propaganda, until late i was dismissing it outright, until i met some "colleagues" from Ukraine face to face. They were telling how Russia did this or that, how the economy was being starved and Putin was retaliating and how all this was OTT from Russia etc. I asked them just one question: why had the number of adoption for the "Western World" (tm) from Ukraine exploded since 2005? Why had the number of single moms exploded in Ukraine since 2005? Why generally speaking the Ukrainian economy since 2005 had gone bust and who had held it out of the water for so long? Did you know what they said? Well it's  (FUCKING) NORMAL for Russia to support its brethern. Can you imagine this? Then i asked why the ingratitude? They said, sometimes you have to hardball to have a better future...I asked Dima if he would hardball his wife to have a mistress? What would happen? He said he'd be broke...Well that's it man, you're broke.

    You know, I'm really beyond the point of doubting the validity of all the "brotherhood" talk from the Russian government, and Russians generally, regarding Ukrainians. With the exception of those former Ukrainians now living in Crimea and those in the South/East enduring the ATO, I have reached the conclusion that Ukrainians are not brothers, but, at best, retarded second cousins to Russians, and crackheads to boot.

    It really must ultimately all be about buffer zones and markets. Why else would Russia take such ceaselessly insolent shit off of those incurable reprobates? Maybe Russia should simply absorb the two Novo oblasts and write the rest of Ukraine off forever. Then Russia can develop and/or reposition within its own borders whatever military capability is necessary to counter the NATO infrastructure that will move into that fucking disaster that will be the rest of Ukraine, and just get on with business.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  whir on Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:57 am

    Общественное ТВ Донбасса wrote:From Shirokino withdraw troops, - Poroshenko

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Khepesh on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:29 am

    Early this morning an explosion at the headquarters of "Self defence Odessa", actually facist occupiers. No casualties. This is the third bomb in Odessa in four weeks.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Khepesh on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:54 am

    This video from the winter has appeared. It shows a breech explosion of ukrops Msta-B

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  whir on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:59 am

    Громадське Телебачення wrote:Avdiyivka protests against the Armed Forces
    July 29 held a rally against Avdiyivka Armed Forces presence in the central square .. vyylo about 4 hundred people. They are protesting against the establishment in the city another checkpoint. The protesters demanded to stop shelling the city and withdraw.

    K16 wrote:Opening of the monument to the fallen heroes in Luhansk

    Військове телебачення України wrote:ATO headquarters visited the US Ambassador
    In Soviet Ukraine ATO headquarters visits you Laughing.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:25 pm

    4 Maidan soldiers KIA 15 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:54 pm

    Someone from the Far East is coooomiiiing

    http://www.dw.com/en/sierens-china-ukraine-is-chinas-breadbasket/a-18621316

    Sieren's China: Ukraine is China's breadbasket

    After more than a year of sanctions against Russia, the Chinese have been increasing their investments in Ukraine. They're having the last laugh, writes DW columnist Frank Sieren.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:11 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Someone from the Far East is coooomiiiing

    http://www.dw.com/en/sierens-china-ukraine-is-chinas-breadbasket/a-18621316

    Sieren's China: Ukraine is China's breadbasket

    After more than a year of sanctions against Russia, the Chinese have been increasing their investments in Ukraine. They're having the last laugh, writes DW columnist Frank Sieren.
    Very interesting, a good find. The Chinese must be loving the Ukrainian fire sale, desperate for dollars, pricing. Plus it gets rid of some of China's mountain of dollars.

    They must be buying up an awful amount of land.

    Does anyone know China's stance on GM food?

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