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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:23 pm

    Neutrality wrote:OSCE officially reports that DNR have withdrawn a tank unit from the front lines. There you have it. Let's see what the Ukrainians do.

    No way Maidan will withdraw. They are fascists. dunno

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:25 pm

    KIEV (Sputnik) — The Ukrainian military has not received an order to begin withdrawal of its weapons with a caliber of less than 100mm from the line of contact in eastern Ukraine, a spokesman for the General Staff of Ukraine said Sunday.

    On Saturday, both Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics (LPR and DPR) stated they decided to unilaterally withdraw heavy weapons to a distance of at least 1.9 miles from the line of contact with government troops. The process began with the supervision of Organization of Security and Co-Operation in Europe (OSCE) monitors.

    "Documents, orders that would oblige us to withdraw weapons and vehicles to certain distances — weapons with a caliber of less than 100mm — we have not got them", Vladislav Seleznev told the Ukrainska Pravda newspaper.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has repeatedly urged the warring sides to start the process of small-caliber artillery withdrawal.

    On Saturday, DPR envoy to the Ukraine reconciliation talks Denis Pushilin accused Kiev of continually concocting excuses to hinder an agreement on the issue.

    The warring sides agreed to pull out heavy arms with a caliber of more than 100mm as part of a ceasefire deal in February.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150719/1024806685.html#ixzz3gLbKP1j1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:28 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:What's terrible in this war is that there are so many ethnic Russian Ukrainians who are NATO lovers, who are eager to kill ethnic Russian Ukrainians who love Russia, who are eager to have NATO bases in Donbas along the border with Russia. Klimkin who was born in Russia himself is a fine example of such degenerates. During WW2 all Austrians were pro Germany. There were no nation traitors in Austria. Turchynov and this Olha Reshetilova, whoever she is, should be lined up and executed for being traitors of the Russian nation.  What a Face

    http://zik.ua/en/news/2015/07/18/ukraine_may_turn_tide_of_war_its_way_with_arta_artillery_control_system_608501

    A strong nation must not have nation traitors. thumbsup
    This will be a good subject of study for future historians. Why did Russians turn against other Russians.

    Ask why there is why chaos in eastern Europe and middle east and north Africa? Because of nation traitors who kill their own kind. thumbsup The west have no nation traitors. The west loves to watch others kill each other.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:00 pm

    Bit more on the Hungary aspect

    In an interview for Hungarian business daily Napi Gazdasag, János Lázár, minister in charge of Hungary's Prime Minister's Office, said that the Hungarian government is seriously concerned about the violence in Zakarpattia, and is ready to protect ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine. "If Hungarians living in Zakarpattia come under threat, and they are forced to flee, we will help all of them and will take them all in," Lázár noted.

    According to the minister, the Hungarian government has made preparations for "the worst case scenario" regarding the situation in Ukraine. Moreover, Lázár explained that "according to some analysts, Ukraine is drifting on the edge of collapse, and this process strengthens aspirations for autonomy," which may pose further security challenges. Lázár told Napi Gazdasag that the Hungarian government has already introduced new programs to assist Hungarian Transcarpathians during the current difficult period. These include financial allowances for school teachers, school meals, and "assistance for local government organs." Vesti recalls that while Ukrainian law does not formally recognize dual citizenship, most of the 150,000 ethnic Hungarians living in Zakarpattia already hold Hungarian passports, "and the flags of both Ukraine and Hungary already fly over many government buildings" in the region.

    Last week, The Budapest Beacon cited Lázár's commentary in a recent Hungarian government report on the capabilities of the Hungarian intelligence services, where the minister stated that the civil conflict in Ukraine was a primary example of radical changes to regional security necessitating the strengthening of the Information Office.

    Lázár, who is also responsible for civilian intelligence, noted in the report that the military conflict in Ukraine's east, combined with an unstable situation in the rest of the country, has had a contagion effect on the region as a whole, adding that the Ukrainian government's political course has created thorny issues for minorities. He also stated that the Hungarian Intelligence Office has been an active player in Kiev over the past year, its activities aimed at "promoting Hungary's interests."

    The minister also stated that both the Hungarian government and the country's security organs believe that the issue of ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine's Zakarpattia will become critical "in the coming years and decades," arguing that the Information Office will have to reestablish the dormant capabilities of Hungarian intelligence in the interests of protecting Ukrainian-Hungarian Transcarpathians.

    Commenting on the potential for the violence in Mukacheve to turn the Hungarian minority issue into a serious problem for Ukraine, Institute of Political Education expert Alexander Solontay told Ukraine's glavcom.ua that "if instead of restoring order Ukrainian authorities take another path, and if similar clashes begin in other cities, then of course there is a possibility that the Hungarian minority will raise the question before Europe about being taken away and saved from Ukraine. They could say 'annex us please, think something up and do whatever is necessary, because we do not want to be a party to this disorder any longer'…But I think that it will not come to this."


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150719/1024801680.html#ixzz3gLk0bcF0

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:04 pm

    "We might have pulled back but we aren't stupid and they will return if needed" to paraphrase the DNR announcement

    MOSCOW, July 19. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic [DPR] will pull its weapons of a caliber less than 100mm back to their previous positions in case the situation along the line of engagement aggravates, Eduard Basurin, a spokesman for the DPR defence ministry, said on Sunday. "If the Ukrainian side tries to break through the line of engagement or continues shelling of civilian population or DPR militias, the weapons will be pulled back to their positions but only after a relevant order from the commander-in-chief," the Donetsk News Agency quoted him as saying.

    Earlier of Sunday, representatives of the DRP defence ministry, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe [OSCE] and the Joint Centre for Control and Coordination [JCCC] visited two section near the line of engagement where the DPR was withdrawing its weapons of under 100mm caliber from.

    On Saturday, the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics [DPR and LPR] announced withdrawal of tanks and armoured vehicles equipped with weapons under 100mm caliber to a distance of three kilometres away from the line of engagement. Possible withdrawal of such weapons has been discussed at Minsk talks on the settlement in Donbass but no agreement on that matter was reached with Kiev. So, the self-proclaimed republics have taken a decision on unilateral withdrawal in the interests of the soonest peace settlement.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:06 pm

    And so life returns to normal (for Kiev that is).

    KIEV, July 19. /TASS/. Extremists of the Right Sector organisation, which is banned in Russia, have stopped their protest by the building of the Ukrainian presidential administration, TASS reports from the scene.

    "Right Sector has gone from the administration building, but this does not mean Right Sector stops rallies," the radical organisation’s press service said. On Tuesday, July 21, the extremists will organise a so-called "veche" (public assembly) in the Independence Square (Maidan) in Kiev. The organisation’s leader Dmitry Yarosh will be a key participant there.

    From July 12, Right Sector continued protests by the building of the presidential administration in Kiev, with protesters demanding sacking of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and "a fair investigation into the events in Mukachevo". In developments of Saturday, July 11, in the city of Mukachevo in Ukraine’s south-western Transcarpathian Region, some 20 militants of Right Sector opened fire from small arms during a conflict with their opponents with whom they discussed "distribution of influence areas." Three people were killed and eleven got injuries.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:07 pm

    Is Yarosh really a Russian name? Shocked If that is true then this scum deserves to burn in Hell for killing so many ethnic Russians.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Neutrality on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:09 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Bit more on the Hungary aspect

    In an interview for Hungarian business daily Napi Gazdasag, János Lázár, minister in charge of Hungary's Prime Minister's Office, said that the Hungarian government is seriously concerned about the violence in Zakarpattia, and is ready to protect ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine. "If Hungarians living in Zakarpattia come under threat, and they are forced to flee, we will help all of them and will take them all in," Lázár noted.

    According to the minister, the Hungarian government has made preparations for "the worst case scenario" regarding the situation in Ukraine. Moreover, Lázár explained that "according to some analysts, Ukraine is drifting on the edge of collapse, and this process strengthens aspirations for autonomy," which may pose further security challenges. Lázár told Napi Gazdasag that the Hungarian government has already introduced new programs to assist Hungarian Transcarpathians during the current difficult period. These include financial allowances for school teachers, school meals, and "assistance for local government organs." Vesti recalls that while Ukrainian law does not formally recognize dual citizenship, most of the 150,000 ethnic Hungarians living in Zakarpattia already hold Hungarian passports, "and the flags of both Ukraine and Hungary already fly over many government buildings" in the region.

    Last week, The Budapest Beacon cited Lázár's commentary in a recent Hungarian government report on the capabilities of the Hungarian intelligence services, where the minister stated that the civil conflict in Ukraine was a primary example of radical changes to regional security necessitating the strengthening of the Information Office.

    Lázár, who is also responsible for civilian intelligence, noted in the report that the military conflict in Ukraine's east, combined with an unstable situation in the rest of the country, has had a contagion effect on the region as a whole, adding that the Ukrainian government's political course has created thorny issues for minorities. He also stated that the Hungarian Intelligence Office has been an active player in Kiev over the past year, its activities aimed at "promoting Hungary's interests."

    The minister also stated that both the Hungarian government and the country's security organs believe that the issue of ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine's Zakarpattia will become critical "in the coming years and decades," arguing that the Information Office will have to reestablish the dormant capabilities of Hungarian intelligence in the interests of protecting Ukrainian-Hungarian Transcarpathians.

    Commenting on the potential for the violence in Mukacheve to turn the Hungarian minority issue into a serious problem for Ukraine, Institute of Political Education expert Alexander Solontay told Ukraine's glavcom.ua that "if instead of restoring order Ukrainian authorities take another path, and if similar clashes begin in other cities, then of course there is a possibility that the Hungarian minority will raise the question before Europe about being taken away and saved from Ukraine. They could say 'annex us please, think something up and do whatever is necessary, because we do not want to be a party to this disorder any longer'…But I think that it will not come to this."


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150719/1024801680.html#ixzz3gLk0bcF0

    And you can bet your ass that Poland is taking measures for the same scenario in Lvov.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:14 pm

    Removed post as it gives ammunition to those who do not deserve, but any who read before I deleted will see that there is a PR problem that needs sorting out, fast...


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:
    Well, rusvesna when they started out last year made some errors, were too hasty with news that eventually was bogus, but have since tightened their act and are reasonable, no better or worse than say Lifenews. For the story from Hungary they quote Janos Lazar who holds a similar position to Dmitry Peskov or Surkov. Hungary has in the past made statements that they have agents in Ukraine looking to the interests of ethnic Hungarians so this is not a surprise.

    Lenta.ru posted basically the same article quoting Lazar. Lazar implied that Budapest has informants within the ranks of the government and that they will do everything to protect the Hungarian minority because they expect the situation to spin out of control within 10 years. Ukrainian counterintelligence and Croatian intelligence on the other hand, do everything to sabotage the efforts of Hungarian intelligence.

    We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.

    Croatian? This is new. What's their angle here?

    Because the current president of Croatia is the biggest NATO lap dog there is, just do a background check on her, you'll know what I mean.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  auslander on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:30 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Removed post as it gives ammunition to those who do not deserve, but any who read before I deleted will see that there is a PR problem that needs sorting out, fast...

    Noted and understood and agreed with. In spades.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:38 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Is Yarosh really a Russian name? Shocked If that is true then this scum deserves to burn in Hell for killing so many ethnic Russians.

    For sure this is not a Russian name. It sounds like a corruption of Jarosz and is a common Polish last name.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:39 pm

    So besides artillery strikes increasing and NAF reluctantly does nothing about it, what else is happening? How many NAF and civvies dead from the bombardment?

    Btw, I never heard about a war where the opposition that has an army does not defend themselves, even while being shot at.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Rodinazombie on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:42 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Removed post as it gives ammunition to those who do not deserve, but any who read before I deleted will see that there is a PR problem that needs sorting out, fast...

    I missed the post, so im wary of jumping the gun a bit here, but seriously what the hell is going on with the pr front?

    Anyone remember the fantastic pr that zaharchenko was putting out during the winter must be very confused right now. The videos of him and ukrainian prisoners were a little propagandistic, but very true in terms of showing the character of the man and his feelings.

    Yet now, all that for some reason has been washed away....

    I can understand them making themselves appear weak for military reasons, but the PR war is one you never, ever let up on.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  franco on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:50 pm

    For those who were wondering where "Sparta" had gone off to;
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=814188248699597

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:52 pm

    franco wrote:For those who were wondering where "Sparta" had gone off to;
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=814188248699597

    Training exercise in the south?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:54 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Btw, I never heard about a war where the opposition that has an army does not defend themselves, even while being shot at.
    It would be funny if it was not so sad at the same time. I wonder how the regular troops in the NAF feel about this? Having to sit still and do nothing while being shelled at because someone from the Kremlin is telling them so. I would have certainly fled the war by now if I was fighting in the NAF.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:56 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Btw, I never heard about a war where the opposition that has an army does not defend themselves, even while being shot at.
    It would be funny if it was not so sad at the same time. I wonder how the regular troops in the NAF feel about this? Having to sit still and do nothing while being shelled at because someone from the Kremlin is telling them so. I would have certainly fled the war by now if I was fighting in the NAF.

    Speaking of which, that's probably exactly what Givi and Motorola did. cheers No point fighting a war Putin does not approve of.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  franco on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:58 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:For those who were wondering where "Sparta" had gone off to;
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=814188248699597

    Training exercise in the south?

    Preparing for their big date with Azov love

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:59 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Btw, I never heard about a war where the opposition that has an army does not defend themselves, even while being shot at.
    It would be funny if it was not so sad at the same time. I wonder how the regular troops in the NAF feel about this? Having to sit still and do nothing while being shelled at because someone from the Kremlin is telling them so. I would have certainly fled the war by now if I was fighting in the NAF.

    Speaking of which, that's probably exactly what Givi and Motorola did. cheers No point fighting a war Putin does not approve of.
    Wonder if they are safe in Russia or will Russia extradite them to Ukraine to face charges?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:00 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Removed post as it gives ammunition to those who do not deserve, but any who read before I deleted will see that there is a PR problem that needs sorting out, fast...

    I missed the post, so im wary of jumping the gun a bit here, but seriously what the hell is going on with the pr front?

    NAF spokesman B. made claims which showed obvious disconnection from reality.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:02 pm

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:For those who were wondering where "Sparta" had gone off to;
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=814188248699597

    Training exercise in the south?

    Preparing for their big date with Azov love

    Take Mariupol? I don't think Putin would ever approve of that. Putin needs Ukraine as a strong neighbor to prevent chaos.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:03 pm

    Anti Poroshenko demonstration in Dnepropetrovsk. Demonstrators seem to look like normal people, various ages etc, and attacked by government thugs in masks. Guy in the car is saying "Get stuck in!" so I will guess that he is with the thugs, maybe drove some of them to the demonstration.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:04 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:
    Well, rusvesna when they started out last year made some errors, were too hasty with news that eventually was bogus, but have since tightened their act and are reasonable, no better or worse than say Lifenews. For the story from Hungary they quote Janos Lazar who holds a similar position to Dmitry Peskov or Surkov. Hungary has in the past made statements that they have agents in Ukraine looking to the interests of ethnic Hungarians so this is not a surprise.

    Lenta.ru posted basically the same article quoting Lazar. Lazar implied that Budapest has informants within the ranks of the government and that they will do everything to protect the Hungarian minority because they expect the situation to spin out of control within 10 years. Ukrainian counterintelligence and Croatian intelligence on the other hand, do everything to sabotage the efforts of Hungarian intelligence.

    We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.

    Croatian? This is new. What's their angle here?

    Because the current president of Croatia is the biggest NATO lap dog there is, just do a background check on her, you'll know what I mean.

    I am familiar with her track record but this is a stretch even for them.

    They were sending weapons to FSA on USA behalf and we know how those clowns ended up but this is different. Very close as compared to middle east and pissing off Syria is not the same as pissing off Russia and Hungary.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:07 pm

    franco wrote:For those who were wondering where "Sparta" had gone off to;
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=814188248699597

    So the best unit just happened to be transfered near juiciest target on the front line?

    Wow, we totally did not see this coming months ago... lol1 russia Twisted Evil

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