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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  auslander on Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:52 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


    Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

    I find it surprising that the ukes would try to make trouble in the west, although there may be a lot more going on out there than we know of.

    On the other hand Hungary is a NATO member albeit with a tiny army, about 20,000 on active duty. So. Worst case scenario, 'unknown radicals' attack ethnic Hungarians in Zakarpatya etc, killing some innocents, Hungary appeals to NATO for permission to go in and save their 'people', and instantly you've got NATO on an official operation in west Ukraine, for starters. Mission creep is an old and honored tradition and honed to perfection by NATO.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:53 pm

    kvs wrote:And the casting of this as Russians vs. Russians is not valid. It is Ukrainian-Russians vs. Russians.

    Not quite. There is a number of Russian volunteers from Russia on the Ukrainian side.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:54 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    kvs wrote:And the casting of this as Russians vs. Russians is not valid. It is Ukrainian-Russians vs. Russians.

    Not quite. There is a number of Russian volunteers from Russia on the Ukrainian side.

    Such as? Chechens? Hahahahahaha.

    Or are you talking about those slimeball so called "politicians" who join Ukraine to look "hip" to westerners because they are washed up nobodies whom are living in past corruption glory or their fathers corrupt shadow? Cause they are not Russians. They have not been since the 90's.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:56 pm

    Aren't people like Turchynov, Filatov and Yarosh ethnic Russians? At least they have Russian names. And I read that Yarosh cannot even speak Ukrainian.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Neutrality on Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:57 pm

    OSCE officially reports that DNR have withdrawn a tank unit from the front lines. There you have it. Let's see what the Ukrainians do.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:00 pm

    And Semyon Semyonenko's real name is Konstantin Grishin. That sounds totally a Russian name.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:00 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Aren't people like Turchynov, Filatov and Yarosh ethnic Russians? At least they have Russian names. And I read that Yarosh cannot even speak Ukrainian.

    Jesus christ. OK, what does names have to do with it? There are people in Russia with OFF as the last letters in a name. Are they ethnic Finns? No. Maybe some ties. With Ukraine, whom half or more was under Russian rule for hundreds of years or Kievn Rus which is the defining factor of both Ukraine and Russia, consisted of the same people, or very similar. It was the Polish ethnics mixing with western Ukrainians that came up with that bastard of a language and the uglyness of the people we see today.

    What those freaks in the west define as "Ukrainian", isnt really Ukrainian but some bullshit they push.

    Man, whatever they teach you in Finland... all I can say, glad I was taught in Canada, even our propaganda isnt that shit.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  whir on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:02 pm

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:02 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    kvs wrote:And the casting of this as Russians vs. Russians is not valid. It is Ukrainian-Russians vs. Russians.

    Not quite. There is a number of Russian volunteers from Russia on the Ukrainian side.

    Such as? Chechens? Hahahahahaha.

    Or are you talking about those slimeball so called "politicians" who join Ukraine to look "hip" to westerners because they are washed up nobodies whom are living in past corruption glory or their fathers corrupt shadow? Cause they are not Russians. They have not been since the 90's.

    No, Russian ethno-nationalists who sympathise with their Ukrainian brethren.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:06 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    kvs wrote:And the casting of this as Russians vs. Russians is not valid. It is Ukrainian-Russians vs. Russians.

    Not quite. There is a number of Russian volunteers from Russia on the Ukrainian side.

    Such as? Chechens? Hahahahahaha.

    Or are you talking about those slimeball so called "politicians" who join Ukraine to look "hip" to westerners because they are washed up nobodies whom are living in past corruption glory or their fathers corrupt shadow? Cause they are not Russians. They have not been since the 90's.

    No, Russian ethno-nationalists who sympathise with their Ukrainian brethren.

    Such as? The 5th cloumn liberals whom are hated back home?

    You will find sympathisers for any case. Example is nutjobs whom are white former christians turned muslim jihadists. This time, you got people in Russia that are nutjobs whom probably hate current establishment because of Euphoria, and decide to get back at "the man" by aiding a bunch of retards whom want to be dick suckers (as that Polish MP said about Poland) for west so they can find out how it really is to live in ownership.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:25 pm

    auslander wrote:
    I find it surprising that the ukes would try to make trouble in the west, although there may be a lot more going on out there than we know of.

    On the other hand Hungary is a NATO member albeit with a tiny army, about 20,000 on active duty. So. Worst case scenario, 'unknown radicals' attack ethnic Hungarians in Zakarpatya etc, killing some innocents, Hungary appeals to NATO for permission to go in and save their 'people', and instantly you've got NATO on an official operation in west Ukraine, for starters. Mission creep is an old and honored tradition and honed to perfection by NATO.
    It could be seen as that, but it would be difficult in that Hungary would, no matter what spin was put on it, be invading Ukraine for essentially the same reason that Russia is alleged to have "invaded" Donbass. It would be difficult for even the sick and grossly contorted minds in London and Washington to explain Hungary good - Russia bad. I would say that one of the reasons that there is silence in western media about nearly everything that happens, is that when something does happen it can be presented to their public as something it is not, as the western public have no context, no reality, to make a judgment on what their politicians do. Normal people use "1984" as a warning about what politicians can do, politicians use it as a manual for how to control society.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Rodinazombie on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:27 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


    Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

    Is this actually coming out of the hungarian government? I cant click the link right now sorry :/

    It seems like quite a radical statement to make from an eu member state, i Know hungary isnt exaclty best friends with uncle spam but still....

    Are the guys at rusvesna not reading too much into it do you think?

    btw, it would be hilarious after all the masturbating porky and the rabbit have been doing over the eu, following on from having the door slammed in their faces many times by them, if an eu member state actually started interfering in western ukraine.

    How porky would explain that one to his people im not sure.

    Probably something along the lines of..... the whole population of hungary was shipped to siberia in 1945 and replaced with kgb sleeper agents who have been ready ever since for this moment to invade ukraine from the west...



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:33 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


    Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

    Is this actually coming out of the hungarian government? I cant click the link right now sorry :/

    It seems like quite a radical statement to make from an eu member state, i Know hungary isnt exaclty best friends with uncle spam but still....

    Are the guys at rusvesna not reading too much into it do you think?




    Well, rusvesna when they started out last year made some errors, were too hasty with news that eventually was bogus, but have since tightened their act and are reasonable, no better or worse than say Lifenews. For the story from Hungary they quote Janos Lazar who holds a similar position to Dmitry Peskov or Surkov. Hungary has in the past made statements that they have agents in Ukraine looking to the interests of ethnic Hungarians so this is not a surprise.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:40 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


    Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

    Is this actually coming out of the hungarian government? I cant click the link right now sorry :/

    It seems like quite a radical statement to make from an eu member state, i Know hungary isnt exaclty best friends with uncle spam but still....

    Are the guys at rusvesna not reading too much into it do you think?




    Well, rusvesna when they started out last year made some errors, were too hasty with news that eventually was bogus, but have since tightened their act and are reasonable, no better or worse than say Lifenews. For the story from Hungary they quote Janos Lazar who holds a similar position to Dmitry Peskov or Surkov.

    I think that news is solid. Like I already mentioned, Hungarians would not be impartial to grabbing a slice... Wink

    If the price is right, of course.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Neutrality on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:43 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    Well, rusvesna when they started out last year made some errors, were too hasty with news that eventually was bogus, but have since tightened their act and are reasonable, no better or worse than say Lifenews. For the story from Hungary they quote Janos Lazar who holds a similar position to Dmitry Peskov or Surkov. Hungary has in the past made statements that they have agents in Ukraine looking to the interests of ethnic Hungarians so this is not a surprise.

    Lenta.ru posted basically the same article quoting Lazar. Lazar implied that Budapest has informants within the ranks of the government and that they will do everything to protect the Hungarian minority because they expect the situation to spin out of control within 10 years. Ukrainian counterintelligence and Croatian intelligence on the other hand, do everything to sabotage the efforts of Hungarian intelligence.

    We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:46 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:And Semyon Semyonenko's real name is  Konstantin Grishin. That sounds totally a Russian name.


    Facepalm...

    You again with this nonsense rhetoric. I've seen quite a few times that you are constantly using this garbage off "ethnic ukrainians" They are all RUSSIANS by ethnicity with a different nationality.

    Ukrainians are russians that have been made retarded over the years to believe they are something different just like polish have been fed up to be more german than slavic or germans have been fed up on a much more softer and lower scale that Germans, Austrians and Swiss are not the same german people, but it isn't manifested into believe of being different despite some confused individuals do believe that austrians are not germans or swiss not being german. This propaganda in germany is so low because those countries are already vassals of the west, if they were independend there would be massive NGO propagating austrians being non germans and swiss the same.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  franco on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:55 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Hungary says it will defend Hungarians in Ukraine and that if they are attacked, then Hungary will aid them. Also admits that Hungary has agents in Ukraine doing what they can to aid Hungarians, and that they see Ukraine as a country on the edge of collapse. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437303293


    Also this. House of the head of Transcarpathian Rusyns and that of his deputy have come under fire from radicals. Coordinator of the Ruthenian movement, Petr Getsko, said that if this continues then we will have to defend our families by force of arms. http://rusvesna.su/news/1437302657

    Is this actually coming out of the hungarian government? I cant click the link right now sorry :/

    It seems like quite a radical statement to make from an eu member state, i Know hungary isnt exaclty best friends with uncle spam but still....

    Are the guys at rusvesna not reading too much into it do you think?

    btw, it would be hilarious after all the masturbating porky and the rabbit have been doing over the eu, following on from having the door slammed in their faces many times by them, if an eu member state actually started interfering in western ukraine.

    How porky would explain that one to his people im not sure.

    Probably something along the lines of..... the whole population of hungary was shipped to siberia in 1945 and replaced with kgb sleeper agents who have been ready ever since for this moment to invade ukraine from the west...



    Isn't the Hungarian government already on Nylunds regime change list?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  auslander on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:57 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    I find it surprising that the ukes would try to make trouble in the west, although there may be a lot more going on out there than we know of.

    On the other hand Hungary is a NATO member albeit with a tiny army, about 20,000 on active duty. So. Worst case scenario, 'unknown radicals' attack ethnic Hungarians in Zakarpatya etc, killing some innocents, Hungary appeals to NATO for permission to go in and save their 'people', and instantly you've got NATO on an official operation in west Ukraine, for starters. Mission creep is an old and honored tradition and honed to perfection by NATO.
    It could be seen as that, but it would be difficult in that Hungary would, no matter what spin was put on it, be invading Ukraine for essentially the same reason that Russia is alleged to have "invaded" Donbass. It would be difficult for even the sick and grossly contorted minds in London and Washington to explain Hungary good - Russia bad. I would say that one of the reasons that there is silence in western media about nearly everything that happens, is that when something does happen it can be presented to their public as something it is not, as the western public have no context, no reality, to make a judgment on what their politicians do. Normal people use "1984" as a warning about what politicians can do, politicians use it as a manual for how to control society.

    Actually what I said about Hungary was mostly, just mostly, tongue in cheek. I don't think the sickos in either EU or US would have the slightest inhibitions about blaming every part of any operation in the west on VVP, just as they are currently doing for the Novorossia war. The great unseeing and unhearing masses in the west will buy the lies, solemnly nodding that yes, they always knew VVP was the master and perpetrator of all the evil in the world and then go back to looking at porn on their book sized cell phones.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Regular on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:00 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Aren't people like Turchynov, Filatov and Yarosh ethnic Russians? At least they have Russian names. And I read that Yarosh cannot even speak Ukrainian.

    And to add something interesting, worst anti-russians I've ever met in post soviet countries usually where.. Russians Neutral Like Ukrainians they are byproduct of homosovieticus, just IMHO

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:00 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:
    Well, rusvesna when they started out last year made some errors, were too hasty with news that eventually was bogus, but have since tightened their act and are reasonable, no better or worse than say Lifenews. For the story from Hungary they quote Janos Lazar who holds a similar position to Dmitry Peskov or Surkov. Hungary has in the past made statements that they have agents in Ukraine looking to the interests of ethnic Hungarians so this is not a surprise.

    Lenta.ru posted basically the same article quoting Lazar. Lazar implied that Budapest has informants within the ranks of the government and that they will do everything to protect the Hungarian minority because they expect the situation to spin out of control within 10 years. Ukrainian counterintelligence and Croatian intelligence on the other hand, do everything to sabotage the efforts of Hungarian intelligence.

    We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.

    Croatian? This is new. What's their angle here?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Regular on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:04 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.
    Just like Russia was forced when Ukras shelled Russian territory and killed civilians in Rostov? Or when they invaded Russia with their BMP?
    Hungary will be forced to what their handlers want. That's it. Even Russia itself is being stranded by "international" community

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  auslander on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:06 pm

    Bombardments of Donetsk in particular and places all along the line from Lugansk down to Azov are steadily increasing all day after a rough night. Sporadic attacks are also being made including at least two backed by small numbers of tanks. We have lost more civilians and soldiers today. The pressure seems to be increasing dramatically, especially on DPR.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:13 pm

    This photo which circulates widely and purports to be of an airstrike against pravy sektor in Transcarpathia has been found to be from a ukrops attack on Lugansk on 1 July 2014 http://rusvesna.su/news/1404233947

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  Neutrality on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:18 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    We can be certain that Hungary doesn't like seeing all that armor and manpower being sent to Zakarpatiya. As soon as even 1 Hungarian citizen dies, the Hungarians will be forced to do something.
    Just like Russia was forced when Ukras shelled Russian territory and killed civilians in Rostov? Or when they invaded Russia with their BMP?
    Hungary will be forced to what their handlers want. That's it. Even Russia itself is being stranded by "international" community

    I'd speculate that Russia adequately responded with an artillery barrage, totally annihilating the Ukrops under Illovaysk which led to several cauldrons.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

    Post  auslander on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:21 pm

    Khepesh wrote:This photo which circulates widely and purports to be of an airstrike against pravy sektor in Transcarpathia has been found to be from a ukrops attack on Lugansk on 1 July 2014 http://rusvesna.su/news/1404233947

    That would explain the darkness of the photo that almost conceals the numerous rooftops visible on closer look.

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