Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Share

    Tsavo Lion
    Private
    Private

    Posts : 34
    Points : 36
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Russia's objectives in the South China Sea

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:13 pm

    “Willingly or unwillingly Russia supports China's claim to disputed islands in the South China Sea,” says military expert Viktor Litovkin. “The construction of Chinese military infrastructure will provide Russia with protection in the area against U.S. Navy ships and the Aegis system and SM-3 and Tomahawk missiles.” Washington insists on the principle of freedom of navigation, which is at odds with the interests of China in the region. The placement of military infrastructure by Beijing on the Spratly Archipelago would eliminate the ability of U.S. warships to navigate these waters. http://rbth.com/international/2016/09/08/russia-could-gain-from-backing-china-in-south-china-sea-disputes-experts_628057 http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-russia-chinas-combat-drills-the-south-china-sea-matter-17729?page=show As the key element of the annual drill, the Chinese and Russian navies dispatched vessels including missile destroyer, anti-submarine vessels, missile frigates, ship-based helicopters and conventional submarines, among others, official media here reported. The exercises demonstrated the Chinese and Russian navies' capacities in command management, telecommunications coordination, and intelligence and information sharing, Senior Captain Li Xiangdong, who commanded the Chinese warships, told state-run China Daily. Addressing the closing ceremony of the drill, which ran from September 13 to 19, Wang Hai, deputy commander of the Chinese Navy, lauded the exercise as successful and said the activity had achieved the desired aim. Wang said the drill had improved the actual combat capabilities, informationisation and standardisation of the two navies, adding that they will expand practical cooperation and boost communication, state-run Xinhua news agency said. Alexander Fedotenkov, deputy commander of the Russian Navy, said the two navies shared theoretical and practical experience and were engaged in sound collaboration throughout the exercise. Fedotenkov said the two sides will maintain close marine cooperation ties, deal with new challenges and threats, and together safeguard world peace and regional stability. The "Joint Sea 2016" drill featured surface ships, submarines, fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters, marines and amphibious armored equipment. http://www.business-standard.com/article/printer-friendly-version?article_id=116091900921_1
    It's a win-win for both: their SLOCs r better protected, skills maintained, outsiders r kept out, & rivals confronted together. The Pac. Fleet is no stranger there since the Cold & Vietnam Wars!


    Last edited by Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:53 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : add a quote)

    GunshipDemocracy
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1516
    Points : 1558
    Join date : 2015-05-17
    Location : Stalin´s Strait between Mexico and Canada

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:51 am

    Russia will equip the ships missile system "Tor" instead of "Dagger"


    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160926/1477860855.html



    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    “Willingly or unwillingly Russia supports China's claim to disputed islands in the South China Sea,

    and

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Washington insists on the principle of freedom of navigation, which is at odds with the interests of China in the region.



    wait wait what Fashingtron is doing in SOUTH CHINA SEA? is does not sound like south USA sea to me.  Razz  Razz  Razz


    BTW China and Russia should isist on  freedom o Navigation in Big Lakes region and Panama Canal.

    Isos
    Master Sergeant
    Master Sergeant

    Posts : 304
    Points : 308
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Isos on Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:15 pm

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-next-two-submarine-projects-feature-some-very-exotic-15618

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9422
    Points : 9914
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:59 pm

    Isos wrote:http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-next-two-submarine-projects-feature-some-very-exotic-15618

    Nonetheless, there some details that have emerged about the projected Husky-class follow-on to the Project 885M Yasen-class boats. For one, the new boats will come in two versions—which are being developed by the Malakhit Design Bureau—that will be based on a common hull design.

    The primary difference will be in the two vessels’ weapon systemsthe “interceptor” variant will not feature tubes to carry long-range anti-ship or cruise missiles. That version of submarine is expected to replace Project 971 Shchuka-B (NATO: Akula), the Project 945 Sierra and the remaining Project 671RTM Shchuka-class (NATO: Victor III) boats. The SSGN variant will replace the Project 949A Antey-class. The SSGN variant will also be armed with hypersonic Zircon cruise missiles.

    The Russians are using the Project 855M Yasen-class as a starting point, but the new submarines will be smaller and cheaper than their Soviet-designed predecessors. Indeed, there are indications that Moscow will be extensively leveraging automation technologies developed for the Project 705 Lira-class attack submarine—better known in the West as the Alfa-class—for the new boats.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    PapaDragon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3667
    Points : 3779
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:20 pm

    George1 wrote:.........
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9422
    Points : 9914
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:.........
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?

    second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine Cool


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    PapaDragon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3667
    Points : 3779
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:14 pm

    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:.........
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?

    second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine Cool

    That is what I meant. Ballistic and cruise missile version.

    That Lira revival was one of the theories floating on the net but I don't think they are serious about it even less so for liquid metal reactor.

    Most likely is that ''experts'' let their Cold War porn leak into their articles. This is National Interest after all.

    GunshipDemocracy
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1516
    Points : 1558
    Join date : 2015-05-17
    Location : Stalin´s Strait between Mexico and Canada

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:.........
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?

    second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine Cool

    That is what I meant. Ballistic and cruise missile version.

    That Lira revival was one of the theories floating on the net but I don't think they are serious about it even less so for liquid metal reactor.
    .


    Well even if true SSGN does not mean it cannot carry Zircon or Calibers. 8 or 10 TA means you can make volley of 8-10 missiles if needed.


    Most likely is that ''experts'' let their Cold War porn leak into their articles. This is National Interest after all.

    I am wondering why National Interest is so widely quoted in Russian press after all? self appointing works better then objective evaluation or just because of (US ) name?

    Isos
    Master Sergeant
    Master Sergeant

    Posts : 304
    Points : 308
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Isos on Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:57 pm


    eridan
    Junior Sergeant
    Junior Sergeant

    Posts : 127
    Points : 133
    Join date : 2012-12-13

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eridan on Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:14 pm

    Is there a source which could help me with numbers of currently active ships of the russian navy replenishment fleet?

    So far I haven't managed to find an up to date source. Closest to that might be russianships.info but even there I can't really tell how much out of date info is.

    Using their data I get something like 18 underway fuel replenishment ships with total fuel store tonnage (not total displacement tonnage) of roughly 125 thousand tons.

    Does anyone have better data?

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9422
    Points : 9914
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:59 pm

    eridan wrote:Is there a source which could help me with numbers of currently active ships of the russian navy replenishment fleet?

    So far I haven't managed to find an up to date source. Closest to that might be russianships.info but even there I can't really tell how much out of date info is.

    Using their data I get something like 18 underway fuel replenishment ships with total fuel store tonnage (not total displacement tonnage) of roughly 125 thousand tons.

    Does anyone have better data?

    here is a page with all russian auxilliary ships, but you must search to find. Tankers are the replenishment ships you ask for i guess

    http://russianships.info/eng/support/

    Project 23130 medium sea tanker and Project 23131 universal sea tanker are the latest classes that have been built


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    JohninMK
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3360
    Points : 3403
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:52 pm

    Russian submarines are going to be outfitted with new unique piezoceramic coating antennas capable of intercepting and distorting signals emitted by enemy sonars.

    The new invention, developed by OceanPribor Concern and the Krylov Research Center under the auspices of the Foundation for Advanced Research Projects, is essentially a polymer membrane designed to cover the entire hull of a submarine. These new antennas are expected to be installed both on the next generation submarines and on the submersibles that are already employed by the Russian Navy.

    A source in the Defense Ministry privy to the development of the new antenna told Russian newspaper Izvestia that the work is proceeding as planned, and that testing is expected to begin soon. "We’re talking about a polymer membrane based on lead, titanium and zirconium oxides that can both absorb and transmit a signal. Essentially, this piezorubber coating transforms the submarine’s entire hull into a hydroacoustic antenna," the source explained. The project, designated as Korsas ('Corsair' in Russian) is being funded by the Foundation for Advanced Research Projects, with OceanPribor designing antennas and sensors, and the Krylov Research Center working on integrating the piezoceramic coating into submarines’ outer plating.

    The operating principle of the new antenna is fairly simple: the membrane captures a sonar signal, analyzes and distorts it, and then sends it back. The project’s cornerstone is a unique piezoceramic capable of absorbing and distorting acoustic signals. According to the source, research and development is expected to be completed by the end of the 2017.


    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160930/1045884198/submarine-antenna-sonar-stealth.html

    franco
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1732
    Points : 1772
    Join date : 2010-08-18

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:00 pm

    Russian Navy War Ship Construction Update

    Those constructed, under construction, ordered or announced plans to order. Does not include ships still under planning development.

    Submarines:

    06363 - 3100t conventional submarine - 12
    677 - 2100t conventional submarine - 3
    885 - 11800t nuclear attack submarine - 7
    955 - 13000t nuclear ballistic missile submarine - 8

    Frigate types:

    11356 - 3800t frigate - 6
    22350 - 4500t frigate - 6
    23550 - 6800t Arctic Patrol Ship - 2
    20380 - 2100t Corvette - 10
    20385 - 2300t Corvette - 2
    22160 - 1700t Patrol Ship - 6

    Littoral types:

    21630 - 500t - Gun Boat - 3
    12418 - 500t - Missile Boat - 2
    21631 - 950t - Missile Ship - 12
    22800 - 800t - Missile Ship - 19

    Patrol types:

    21980 - 138t - Patrol Boat - 22
    03160 - 23t - Fast Patrol Boat - 8
    BK-16 - 20t - Fast Patrol Boat - 2

    Minesweepers:

    12700 - 620t - Coastal Minesweeper - 8

    Amphibious Warfare:

    11711 - 6000t - Landing Ship - 2
    11770 - 100t - Fast Landing Craft - 12
    21820 - 280t - Landing Craft - 11



    eehnie
    Lieutenant
    Lieutenant

    Posts : 560
    Points : 585
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:40 pm

    franco wrote:23550 - 6800t Arctic Patrol Ship - 2

    Patrol types:

    21980 - 138t - Patrol Boat - 22
    03160 - 23t - Fast Patrol Boat - 8

    There is some new about the helicopter of the Project 23550?

    If the helicopter is not a combat helicopter, the quoted projects seem more like with armament level of the Auxiliary Ships of the Russian Navy or of the Russian Coast Guard.


    Last edited by eehnie on Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:23 pm; edited 2 times in total

    franco
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1732
    Points : 1772
    Join date : 2010-08-18

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  franco on Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:52 pm

    The two Arctic Patrol ships are basically Armed Icebreakers able to access the new Military bases being built up north.

    The patrol boats are to guard the Naval Bases. At least one 21980 per base. Six each planned for Northern and Pacific Fleets, remaining 10 divided between the Baltic, Black and Caspian Seas.
    The smaller ones, not sure yet. At present they are Baltic (3) and Black Sea (7) only. These are the Raptors and the Russian copy (BK-16) of the Swedish craft.

    Austin
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5664
    Points : 6070
    Join date : 2010-05-08
    Age : 40
    Location : India

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Austin on Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:03 am

    US prepared ‘to fight’ in Russia, China missile defense zones – Naval ops chief

    kvs
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 2505
    Points : 2638
    Join date : 2014-09-11
    Location : Canuckistan

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:13 am

    Austin wrote:US prepared ‘to fight’ in Russia, China missile defense zones – Naval ops chief

    The US is prepared to stroke its dick as it masturbates to greater glory.

    Trash talking losers.

    Isos
    Master Sergeant
    Master Sergeant

    Posts : 304
    Points : 308
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:12 pm

    Two nice videos of soviet ships operating in open sea. There is even the moskva cruiser (helicopter carier not slava class). Not the subject of the thread but I had to put it somewhere




    JohninMK
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3360
    Points : 3403
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:07 pm

    Benya wrote:


    Speaking about Admiral Gorshkov- and Admiral Grigorovich- classes, they are coming slow but sure. We know that they have suffered from engine shortages (formerly engines were supplied by Ukraine, but due to the ongoing crisis, further supplied were discontinued), and AFAIK, domestic supplier NPO Saturn will only be able to supply new engines from 2017-2018. However, I think that Admiral Kasatonov (second ship of the Gorshkov-class) is undergoing trials alongside the Admiral Gorshkov (lead ship of the class).

    Looks like engine supply problem has been solved.

    The two engineless ships have been sold to India who will now purchase the, possibly already built, engines from Ukraine, plus two more for the Indian built version of the frigate.

    PapaDragon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3667
    Points : 3779
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:15 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Benya wrote:


    Speaking about Admiral Gorshkov- and Admiral Grigorovich- classes, they are coming slow but sure. We know that they have suffered from engine shortages (formerly engines were supplied by Ukraine, but due to the ongoing crisis, further supplied were discontinued), and AFAIK, domestic supplier NPO Saturn will only be able to supply new engines from 2017-2018. However, I think that Admiral Kasatonov (second ship of the Gorshkov-class) is undergoing trials alongside the Admiral Gorshkov (lead ship of the class).

    Looks like engine supply problem has been solved.

    The two engineless ships have been sold to India who will now purchase the, possibly already built, engines from Ukraine, plus two more for the Indian built version of the frigate.

    So Navy that is already short on surface vessels will have even less surface vessels than before?

    Bravo, that will totally prove to everyone that you guys are not just a bad joke. Rolling Eyes

    TheArmenian
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1506
    Points : 1669
    Join date : 2011-09-14

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:39 pm

    @ Papadragon

    Selling a ship that can not enter service anytime soon will not reduce the number of vessels. You can not loose what you don't have.

    When the first domestic made engines are produced, priority will be given to the Gorshkov class frigates. The 11356 frigates will have to wait in line a bit longer. So, they are not going to enter service anytime soon.
    Might as well sell them, get the invested money back (together with some nice profits) and reinvest that money in building other types of ships that will enter service sooner than the 11356s would have if they had stayed in the yards until engines become available.

    Here is an interesting photo in which the Admiral Gorshkov frigate is behind the 956 class destroyer, yet it appears just as big.
    Perhaps the Gorshkov frigates are larger than the quoted 4500T displacement!


    VladimirSahin
    Master Sergeant
    Master Sergeant

    Posts : 359
    Points : 379
    Join date : 2013-11-29
    Age : 25
    Location : Some redneck state in the US.

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:01 pm

    It's quite stupid we have to postpone shipbuilding processes because of a lack of domestic engine production.

    Militarov
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4798
    Points : 4845
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:43 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:It's quite stupid we have to postpone shipbuilding processes because of a lack of domestic engine production.

    Purely Russian fault that one. They left crucial components production to remain in Ukrainian hands, partially in Belarus and Kazakhstan too but alot less compared to Ukraine. Not only that, but they remained in hibernation for 25 years without any development in those areas of their own, whatsoever.

    Isos
    Master Sergeant
    Master Sergeant

    Posts : 304
    Points : 308
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:33 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:It's quite stupid we have to postpone shipbuilding processes because of a lack of domestic engine production.

    Purely Russian fault that one. They left crucial components production to remain in Ukrainian hands, partially in Belarus and Kazakhstan too but alot less compared to Ukraine. Not only that, but they remained in hibernation for 25 years without any development in those areas of their own, whatsoever.

    It's stupid for Ukraine. They will never found a client like Russia as the west has it's domestic production, idem for asia. In the long term Ukraine looses. Russia will just have more industries and more jobs for its population, specially if you look at all the ship that will be build in the near future.

    Militarov
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4798
    Points : 4845
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:49 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:It's quite stupid we have to postpone shipbuilding processes because of a lack of domestic engine production.

    Purely Russian fault that one. They left crucial components production to remain in Ukrainian hands, partially in Belarus and Kazakhstan too but alot less compared to Ukraine. Not only that, but they remained in hibernation for 25 years without any development in those areas of their own, whatsoever.

    It's stupid for Ukraine. They will never found a client like Russia as the west has it's domestic production, idem for asia. In the long term Ukraine looses. Russia will just have more industries and more jobs for its population, specially if you look at all the ship that will be build in the near future.

    Potentially its space for Russian industry and economy to grow... however... as there is always however. For certain components it will take a long period of time as Russians never had industrial base for some of Ukrainian products, simply as it was set back when USSR existed. So they now need to almost do stuff from the scratch and it can take... years even decades.

    Sponsored content

    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Sponsored content Today at 12:54 am


      Current date/time is Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:54 am