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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Rmf on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:14 pm

    its a stupid idea just continue making yasens as funds come up at slower pace.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:40 am

    artjomh wrote: Nothing concrete has been announced or planned.  The current prevalent thinking is that the future class of nuclear submarines would be based on the so-called "Base Model": two or three classes of submarines sharing the same hull, but with extra sections depending on whether the submarine carries ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, or is a torpedo submarine. This approach would allow shipbuilders to standardize some of the basic equipment, shore infrastructure and crew training, and lower production and maintenance costs.

    Of course, this approach also means that a single design bureau would be responsible for the entire nuclear underwater fleet, with all the bureaucratic and political difficulties this engenders.

    At this point, these discussions are merely conceptual and no specific RFPs have been solicited. We probably won't see any concrete budgetary discussion of a follow-on submarine until at least 2020.

    Thanks Artjom, don´you think that building 7 Yasens and no AIP conventional subs will leave Russian Navy "naked" once older subs will be decommissioned?


    As for the sub on your pic has no vertical missile launchers so no more like Yasen/Virginia ? and then no bow sonar either. I hope this isn ´t going to be the case just more like the hull shape option.

    I also have found this - but like you said before no concrete announcement only some press note.
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150706/1117508756.html




    Rmf wrote:its a stupid idea just continue making yasens as funds come up at slower pace.
    Maybe not optimal but what other option is for RN available?

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  artjomh on Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:47 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Thanks Artjom, don´you think that building 7 Yasens and no AIP conventional subs will leave Russian Navy "naked" once older subs will be decommissioned?

    What is your alternative?

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:As for the sub on your pic has no vertical missile launchers so no more like Yasen/Virginia ? and then no bow sonar either. I hope this isn ´t going to be the case just more like the hull shape option.

    This is just an unofficial concept. Something someone drew based on the principles being discussed behind the scenes. Ignore the details, focus on the main characteristics.

    There could be a potential variation with a VLS missile section. Or with a mini-submersible docking camera. Or with a diver compartment.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:10 pm

    artjomh wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Thanks Artjom, don´you think that building 7 Yasens and no AIP conventional subs will leave Russian Navy "naked" once older subs will be decommissioned?

    What is your alternative?

    As a stopgap? more 636 or 677 without AIP? It looks like 6-8 conventional subs for price 1 Yasen. d Thus they still might be good enough for sea denial. When one sub or 7 is lost mission is not compromised and if you have 1 Yasen to protect some areas loosing one it is.
    Just guessing as an armchair admiral.


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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:As for the sub on your pic has no vertical missile launchers so no more like Yasen/Virginia ? and then no bow sonar either. I hope this isn ´t going to be the case just more like the hull shape option.

    This is just an unofficial concept. Something someone drew based on the principles being discussed behind the scenes. Ignore the details, focus on the main characteristics.

    There could be a potential variation with a VLS missile section. Or with a mini-submersible docking camera. Or with a diver compartment.


    True, flying and submersible drones both for combat/lintel, divers. I just wonder if anybody is considering "armoring" subs for sake of survivability. I mean better protection against torpedoes/mines. Maybe shape of internal hull or composite elements can protest form explosions like in MRAP cars.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Stealthflanker on Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:18 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    True, flying and submersible drones both for combat/lintel, divers.  I just wonder if anybody is considering "armoring" subs for sake of survivability. I mean better protection against torpedoes/mines. Maybe shape of internal hull or composite elements can protest form explosions like in MRAP cars.

    The traditional double hull layout of Russian submarine already offer survivability against mines or torpedo.

    One can of course make longer standoff between outer "light hull" and pressure hull, but this directly increase the submarine's size.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:23 pm


    Russia Unveils Plans to Modernize Nuke-Powered Submarines

    Russia is modernizing 12 nuclear-powered submarines as part of an ambitious project to extend the life of the vessels by another 20 years, according to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151002/1027942520/russia-submarine-nuclear-sergei-shoigu.html#ixzz3nRpydz4x

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Viktor on Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:47 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    2015Russian Navy will receive new "Borei" and "Ash" in time

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Austin on Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:26 am

    US: Russia Building 'Arc Of Steel' From Arctic To Med

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:18 am

    Interesting article... to which I would reply lets look at the points listed in the article and think about them for a moment...

    "the language coming from the Russian military reflects the mindset and actions characteristic of direct challenge and confrontation with NATO."

    And why would that be... could it possibly be because:

    It is naval capability focused directly on addressing the perceived advantages of NATO navies. And they are signaling us and warning us that the maritime domain is contested.

    So they are stating to NATO that NATO does not own the maritime domain uncontested any more... is that a bad thing per say?

    "They have talked about establishing a permanent presence in the Mediterranean and in breaking out from their perceived military encirclement by NATO military structures, economic sanctions and political isolation."

    Perceived? Really?
    NATO broke off communication and NATO and EU countries started imposing economic sanctions to punish Russia for claimed crimes that are still to be proven.

    Russia is repeatedly blamed as being the number one or two threat to the world according to the President of the US.

    It seems Russia was supposed to capitulate and just give in to western demands... instead it just turned east to countries it has largely neglected in trying to be friends with NATO and the west.

    Now that it knows the west just wants drones perhaps in the future ties wont be that close ever again so a strong Navy and Army and Air Force remain a priority because when push comes to shove the west only helps when its own interests are involved... a slaughter in Rwanda is ignored, while terrorists in Kosovo offers a chance to get revenge on the Serbs for being friendly with the Russians and everyone mobilises for that conflict.

    Of course the most amusing thing is:

    "First, we must in training at the high end of warfighting skill.

    We are too used to fighting poorly equipped third world countries and need to spend more money to fight second world countries.... going to be more expensive...

    Second, forces must be on call for real world operations.

    They might not give us enough warning... despite listening to everyones phone calls and electronic communications we still didn't know about those polite men, or the air power of Russia moving to Syria, or now the Russian Navy dealing with our terrorists in Syria... perhaps they wont tell us in the future when they are doing stuff so we have to be ready all the time.... which of course will be expensive...

    "And third, we must invest to pace the growing Russian capabilities."

    The US alone has 13 carrier groups with super carriers at their core but we need to spend more money to increase our capabilities to match Russias tiny pathetic rusting fleet we keep laughing at publicly.... that is going to cost some money... especially at a time when Britain and France can barely afford the single carriers they currently have or have planned.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  coolieno99 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:28 am

    4 Russian warships stationed in the Caspian Sea launched 26 Kalibr-NK cruise missiles against ISIS targets in Syria. The missiles traveled more than 900 miles over Iran and Iraq and struck within 9 ft of their  intended targets in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo provinces.



    https://www.rt.com/news/317883-russia-warship-attack-syria/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/10/07/these-are-the-cruise-missiles-russia-just-sent-into-syria/

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:29 pm

    thumbsup russia

    Hovercraft From Hell: Russia Designs Next Generation Military Landing Ship

    A next generation large air-cushioned landing craft is being developed by Russia’s Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau, Russian media reported on Tuesday.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151020/1028818192/russia-hovercraft-features.html

    “This is a dramatically updated version of the Soviet-era Zubr-class military hovercraft built in Ukraine. The main engine will be made in Russia and the craft will carry a new weapons system. To top it all off, the new hovercraft will look better too,” Dmitry Tsygankov, the head of marketing and technical information at Almaz, told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

    The Soviet design Zubr-class air-cushioned landing craft is the world’s largest hovercraft, designed for shore landing assault units.

    The Zubr hovercraft has a cargo area of 400 square meters and a fuel capacity of 56 tons.

    It can carry three main battle tanks (up to 150 tons), or ten armored fighting vehicles with 140 troops (up to 131 tons), or eight armored personnel carriers of total mass up to 115 tons, or eight amphibious tanks or up to 500 troops (with 360 troops in the cargo compartment).

    At full displacement the ship is capable of negotiating up to 5-degree slopes on non-equipped shores and 1.6m-high vertical walls.

    The Zubr remains seaworthy in conditions up to Sea State 4 and has a cruising speed of 30-40 knots.

    They could at least publish concept art or something... cry

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:34 pm

    Russian Navy to Create Special Units to Mimic Opponents' Tactics

    The Russian Navy plans to create special military units that would play the role of potential enemy forces during naval exercises, Russian Navy Rear Admiral Viktor Kochemazov said, according to TV Channel Zvezda.

    Kochemazov was invited to the program "Military Council" on radio station Echo of Moscow.

    "We already have an idea of creating a special division, which would imitate the system of combat of [Russia's] potential enemies during trainings on a regular basis," Kochemazov explained.

    Currently, when Russian naval troops conduct military drills some of their counterparts act as a potential enemy. However, units that act as enemy troops during military drills don't have special training to mimic real opponents which could lead to Russian naval units not being fully prepared for all possible warfare scenarios at sea.

    With the introduction of these training units that would specialize in mimicking potential enemies, the Russian Navy would fill this gap and become prepared to face anything, anywhere and from anyone.

    Earlier this month, it was reported that the Russian Navy received one new submarine and seven warships along with seven new aircraft in the third quarter of 2015.

    Russia is currently carrying out a $325 billion rearmament program to modernize 70 percent of its military equipment by 2020.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151025/1029095501/russian-navy-training-units-mimic-enemy.html#ixzz3pcM1H7dj


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Militarov on Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:43 pm

    "An agreement on leasing another Russian nuclear-powered submarine to India is to be signed at the Russian-Indian summit in December, a source at India’s Defense Ministry said. The possibility of leasing a second submarine from Russia will be studied when India’s Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar will visit Moscow next week,” the source said. “Parrikar will hold talks on this strategic project with his Russian counterpart Sergey Shoigu. After the ten-year contract is signed another two or three years will be required for upgrading the submarine in keeping with India’s requirements,” he said. Over the past 45 years Russia and India have established reliable, time-tested strategic ties in the field of defence.



    India’s armed forces are equipped with Soviet and Russian military hardware 70%, the source said, adding that Russia had always provided its best military hardware to India. A Russian military source at the Russian embassy in New Delhi has confirmed the negotiations on leasing the Kashalot K-322 nuclear power submarine of project 971 Shchuka had entered the final phase. “If the contract is signed, it will be the third Russia-built submarine handed over to the Indian Navy,” he said. “For the first time India leased a Russian nuclear submarine for ten years back in the early 1980s. In 2012 the Indian Navy leased Russia’s K-152 Nerpa submarine of project 971. This is a customary and well-tested way of cooperation by our countries in the military-technical sphere.” According to the Russian source, the submarine will undergo fundamental upgrade in line with the customer’s requirements at the Amur shipyards, where it is at the moment. The repair, upgrade and testing work and the Indian crew’s training are to be completed by 2018."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-to-lease-another-nuclear-sub-to-india-in-december.html

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  franco on Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:12 pm

    A look at the Russian Navy over the next 15 years;
    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/russian-naval-shipbuilding-is-it-possible-to-fulfill-the-kremlins-grand-expectations/

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:15 pm

    Usually russiamil was considered 5th colum garbage. I didnt read through this and not really in position to judge as I know liittle about navy. Just fyi.

    But my take on all this is the first quote regarding the navy in the article about its long range missiles on small ship - Russia should concentrate more on that. Build ships specifically to deal blows at long ranges from such small ships, and develop other compact ships with both shtil and klub missiles. Shouldnt be too difficult. Russias current and upcoming corvettes and frigates are, for some reason, ridiculuous prices and long construction times.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:24 pm

    franco wrote:A look at the Russian Navy over the next 15 years;
    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/russian-naval-shipbuilding-is-it-possible-to-fulfill-the-kremlins-grand-expectations/

    So much guessing, so much tryhard estimations, i wouldnt take this... very seriously to be honest.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  max steel on Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:19 pm

    US faces renewed challenge from Russian navy

    The US is debating whether to position more ships and naval assets in Europe as Russian warships and submarines operate at levels not seen in two decades, according to the new head of the USN.


    Expect the Russians to Keep Buzzing American Navy Ships

    Cold War-era tactics resurface at sea, but this time, Moscow’s ultimate intentions are unknown.

    In the opening dogfight of “Top Gun,” a sailor stares at a radar screen, nervously calling out the distance of fictitious MiG-28 fighter jets challenging Tom Cruise in his F-14 Tomcat. His commander watches the foreign aircraft edge closer to his carrier, and finally barks, “250 miles — get ’em outta here.”


    A similar scene likely unfolded Tuesday as two Russian Tupolev Tu-142s approached the USS Ronald Reagan in international waters near the Korean peninsula. The carrier launched four armed F/A-18 Super Hornets to intercept and escort the maritime patrol aircraft, variants of the venerable Bear bomber. Still, the Russian planes pressed on, eventually passing within one mile of the U.S. carrier.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:55 pm

    Russia’s New Sub Rescue Ship Completes State Trials – Defense Ministry

    The Russian Navy’s new deep-water search-and-rescue Bester-1 vehicle has completed state trials, the defense ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — According to the statement, St. Petersburg-based Admiralty Shipyards, a leading enterprise of the Russian shipbuilding industry and part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, "signed the act of state acceptance on completion of state trials" of the Bester-1, "which will be transferred to the Navy of Russia in the near future."

    Vehicle tests were carried out with the Igor Belousov, an advanced search-and-rescue ship, in the Baltic Sea. The vehicle will become the main element of the submarine rescue system aboard the ship.

    The six-member crew of the Bester-1 passed necessary training with an underwater vehicle of similar design in the Northern Fleet, the statement reads.

    Russia is currently performing a $325-billion rearmament program to achieve a 70-percent modernization of its military by 2020.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151103/1029534104/bester-russia-vehicle-ministry.html#ixzz3qR7HIYz2


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:34 am

    New plant for the construction of the ship's superstructure will appear on "SNSZ" in 2016

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Backinblack on Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:48 am

    Russia to Equip Subs with Anti-Torpedoes



    http://mil.today/2015/Armament2/

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:47 am

    Backinblack wrote:Russia to Equip Subs with Anti-Torpedoes

    http://mil.today/2015/Armament2/

    How are they going to launch the Paket NK considering the diameter of the tube?....new larger caliber version?

    launch from 324-mm torpedo tubes. It is called Paket-E/NK.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:50 pm

    ARKHANGELSK, November 12. /TASS/. The advanced Project 20180TV armament support ship Academician Kovalev built by the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk in north Russia has gone to sea for state trials before joining the Russian Navy, shipyard spokeswoman Nadezhda Shcherbina told TASS on Thursday.

    "The armament support ship Academician Kovalev has left the shipyard and gone to sea today [on Thursday] for state trials that will last about a week. The acceptance report will be signed in December," she said. According to the spokeswoman, the shipyard has removed all the ship’s imperfections detected during the shipbuilders’ trials in October.

    The Project 20180TV reinforced ice-class armament support ship Academician Kovalev was floated out in the summer of 2014 for its further construction afloat. The vessel is designed to load, unload and transport weapons.

    The Project 20180TV armament support ship has a full displacement of about 6,000 tons, a length of 107.6 meters and a maximum speed of 14 knots.


    http://tass.ru/en/defense/835855

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:39 pm


    Podmoskovlye on the water:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1579861.html


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  franco on Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:47 pm

    Last two out of 8 Raptor Patrol Craft for the Black Fleet being prepared for turn over.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151116/1322159305.html&usg=ALkJrhjryl81vOyTxSH--IR3mincA6JvJg

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Backinblack on Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:47 am

    franco wrote:Last two out of 8 Raptor Patrol Craft for the Black Fleet being prepared for turn over.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151116/1322159305.html&usg=ALkJrhjryl81vOyTxSH--IR3mincA6JvJg

    In English: http://mil.today/2015/Navy2/

    By the way - is it a copy of Sweden patrol boat?

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