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    Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  franco on Sun May 24, 2015 3:40 pm

    Navy Ships Acquisitions Past 10 Years Plus Ordered

    2011-2020 Plan calls for 24 new Submarines, 54 Warships and 96 Support.
    An additional 20 submarines and 10-12 warships to get refits.

    Submarines

    10831 SSAN - 1+0
    20120 SSA - 1+0
    955 SSBN - 2+6
    885 SSGN - 1+6
    06363 SS - 2+4
    677 SS - 1+2

    Warships

    11540 FFG - 1+0
    11356 FFG - 0+6
    22350 FFG - 0+6
    11661K FFC - 1+0
    20380 FFC - 4+4
    20385 FFC - 0+2
    22160 FSS - 0+6
    21631 FSG - 3+6
    21630 FS - 3+0
    02668 MSO - 1+0
    12700 MSC - 0+8
    11711 LST - 0+2
    Mistral LSHA - 0+2

    Combat Craft

    21980 PC -10+7
    03160 PC - 3+5
    BK-16 PC - 1+1
    21820 LCM - 5+8
    11770 LCM - 9+0
    1176 LCU - 3+0

    Support Ships to include

    1 research
    3 Elint
    4 hydrographic
    10 rescue
    35 tugs
    7 transport
    18 support


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  franco on Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:00 pm

    Not sure why this boat is being produced as well as the Raptor but the second vessel has been launched;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1330627.html

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    Post  calripson on Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:56 pm

    It is being produced to give the shipyard something to do within its capabilities.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:58 pm

    Russian Navy in 2020 will receive a large landing ship of a new generation

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  franco on Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:01 pm

    Three new Raptor PC accepted at Novorossiysk and 1 "21820" LCM in Vladivostok.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:17 pm

    Russia developing fifth-generation nuclear subs — design bureau

    According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050

    PARK PATRIOT (Moscow region), June 16. /TASS/. Russia’s Malakhit Marine Engineering Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) is already working on the project for the construction of fifth-generation nuclear submarines, the company’s CEO Vladimir Dorofeyev told TASS on Tuesday.

    "The work on the fifth generation of submarines is already underway. The project will be implemented after the Yasen nuclear submarine construction project is completed," he said.

    According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050.

    Dorofeyev said that the fifth-generation submarines will be based on the network centric system. The boats’ dimensions and speed, although remaining significant parameters, will cease to be of prime importance. "The reactor [of the subs] will be certainly based on new principles, but there will be no revolution, and it is not needed after all," he added.

    According to him, another important feature will be the new submarine’s coating and new technology of its production.

    In March, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Viktor Chirkov told reporters that the navy men had already commissioned the defence industry to develop fifth-generation nuclear submarines.


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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:22 am

    Russian Navy to get 12 ships in 2015, including 11 from repairs

    11 ships will be handed over to the Navy after repairs and one vessel will be the fourth Varshavyanka class submarine that should be handed over to the military by the end of the year

    ST. PETERSBURG, July 3. /TASS/. The Russian Navy will receive in 2015 a total of 12 warships, including 11 - from repairs, Deputy Defence Minister Yuri Borisov told reporters on Friday.

    "All the planned activities will be conducted on time this year - the acceptance of 12 ships," he said at a ceremony of commissioning within the Navy of the third submarine of Project 636.3 - the Stary Oskol in St. Petersburg.

    Borisov said that 11 of these 12 ships will be handed over to the Navy after repairs and one vessel will be the fourth Varshavyanka class submarine that should be handed over to the military by the end of the year.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  zg18 on Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:43 pm

    Third Kirov class "Admiral Lazarev" in docks for refit and modernization



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:53 am

    zg18 wrote:Third Kirov class "Admiral Lazarev" in docks for refit and modernization



    Very Happy
    As far as I know, recently it was decided that it will be scrapped.

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    Russian Navy: Status & News

    Post  zg18 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:05 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:As far as I know, recently it was decided that it will be scrapped.



    It`s from shipyards stockholder report.

    Guess we will wait and see.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:59 pm

    Expedition of the Ministry of Defense in July 17 will start to search ships that were lost in WW II


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:15 pm

    Good Article on how Russian Submariner forces pair up , it seems they wont last much again numerically superior US Subs and ASW unit , just managing to destroy 25 % US naval forces and loosing most combat capability in bargain.

    Another interesting aspect is protection of SSBN forces with conventional submarine of Kilo types

    Theater of one actor - Underwater US Navy feels superior even on our shores

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:10 pm

    Austin wrote:Good Article on how Russian Submariner forces pair up , it seems they wont last much again numerically superior US Subs and ASW unit , just managing to destroy 25 % US naval forces and loosing most combat capability in bargain.

    Another interesting aspect is protection of SSBN forces with conventional submarine of Kilo types

    Theater of one actor - Underwater US Navy feels superior even on our shores

    I'm pretty sure size of entire Russian Navy is less than 25% of US Navy so no surprise there... Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:39 pm

    Austin wrote:Good Article on how Russian Submariner forces pair up , it seems they wont last much again numerically superior US Subs and ASW unit , just managing to destroy 25 % US naval forces and loosing most combat capability in bargain.

    Another interesting aspect is protection of SSBN forces with conventional submarine of Kilo types

    Theater of one actor - Underwater US Navy feels superior even on our shores

    That's where the restart of modernized Mi-14 production and the modernization and re-introduction of existing Mi-14s comes in.
    These helicopters will be able to protect Russia's waters at greater ranges from land than the current land-based Ka-27s can.

    For further out, virtually all of the latest corvette/frigate/destroyer designs have helicopter pads where Ka-27s ASW variants will be based (in some cases Ka-31s or Ka-27s CSAR variants will be based on them instead).
    There's a new class of helicopters to replace the Ka-27 family & derivates apparently under development.

    Il-38s have recently been receiving upgrades to the Il-38N standard.
    Later on they will probably be replaced by the proposed Il-114MP aircraft.

    The Tu-142s will stay put for the time being; I should note that some of these are not old aircraft at all; they were being built all the way up to 1994; with the M3 variant being built since 1985.
    All Tu-142s are supposed to be upgraded to M3M standard by 2020.
    In the longer-term, they may well be replaced by PAK-DAs, or perhaps something else entirely; like a variant of the MS-21 or Tu-201.

    The article doesn't mention the Be-12s; probably since they have only started to be returned to service last year and are only in service in the Black Sea Fleet - but they are another component of ASW.
    Right now they are undergoing repairs at the Beriev plant in Taganrog and in a recently-ressurected facility in the Crimea.
    They will probably be in service for another 5 or so years; at which point the question of their replacement will become very accute.
    Originally, the A-40 was designated for their replacement, however the MoD later rejected the A-40 program; at which point there was talk of the Il-38s replacing them. However, the Il-38 being a similarly old aircraft that's no longer in production, not in service in large numbers, and not to mention without any amphibious landing capabilities - this plan never made much sense.
    The latest news suggests that the MoD has rethought its decision and decided it needs the A-40s after all as Be-12 replacements (http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140719/1016726869.html), and possibly to replace some Il-38Ns in other fleets too.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:06 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Austin wrote:Good Article on how Russian Submariner forces pair up , it seems they wont last much again numerically superior US Subs and ASW unit , just managing to destroy 25 % US naval forces and loosing most combat capability in bargain.

    Another interesting aspect is protection of SSBN forces with conventional submarine of Kilo types

    Theater of one actor - Underwater US Navy feels superior even on our shores

    That's where the restart of modernized Mi-14 production and the modernization and re-introduction of existing Mi-14s comes in.
    These helicopters will be able to protect Russia's waters at greater ranges from land than the current land-based Ka-27s can.

    For further out, virtually all of the latest corvette/frigate/destroyer designs have helicopter pads where Ka-27s ASW variants will be based (in some cases Ka-31s or Ka-27s CSAR variants will be based on them instead).
    There's a new class of helicopters to replace the Ka-27 family & derivates apparently under development.

    Il-38s have recently been receiving upgrades to the Il-38N standard.
    Later on they will probably be replaced by the proposed Il-114MP aircraft.

    The Tu-142s will stay put for the time being; I should note that some of these are not old aircraft at all; they were being built all the way up to 1994; with the M3 variant being built since 1985.
    All Tu-142s are supposed to be upgraded to M3M standard by 2020.
    In the longer-term, they may well be replaced by PAK-DAs, or perhaps something else entirely; like a variant of the MS-21 or Tu-201.

    The article doesn't mention the Be-12s; probably since they have only started to be returned to service last year and are only in service in the Black Sea Fleet - but they are another component of ASW.
    Right now they are undergoing repairs at the Beriev plant in Taganrog and in a recently-ressurected facility in the Crimea.
    They will probably be in service for another 5 or so years; at which point the question of their replacement will become very accute.
    Originally, the A-40 was designated for their replacement, however the MoD later rejected the A-40 program; at which point there was talk of the Il-38s replacing them. However, the Il-38 being a similarly old aircraft that's no longer in production, not in service in large numbers, and not to mention without any amphibious landing capabilities - this plan never made much sense.
    The latest news suggests that the MoD has rethought its decision and decided it needs the A-40s after all as Be-12 replacements (http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140719/1016726869.html), and possibly to replace some Il-38Ns in other fleets too.

    I am more worries on submarine count.

    The article only assumes that US submarine is the danger but I would even add Brits and French in there after all they are nato.

    Russia faces a formidable SSN force when you count the Virginia's/Seawolf/LA , Brits Astute Class SSN and the new French SSN , they combined eventually makes for around 40 Top Notch SSN.

    Compare to Russian Submarine Fleet of upgraded 6 Akula , 2 Sierra-2 , 4 Oscar and 7 Yassen.

    Barring Yassen I wouldnt bet my life on the others in facing a formidable SSN fleet.


    I am not sure even if the Sierra-2 are getting upgraded , any confirmation ?


    The Kilos are just good for Coastal Brown Water , I doubt Kilo can operate below Arctic Ice so protecting the SSBN via Kilo does not make sense , Russian SSBN operate only below Arctic.


    I can just hope that the Akula/Sierra/Kilos would end up defending the Surface Fleet/SSBN while Oscar and Yasen would be sent to hunt NATO CBG and SSBN Fleet.

    The best case possible for Russia is all the SLBM would be launched by Borei before NATO/US SSN would hunt and Kill her down.

    I think Akula/Sierra/Oscar would be swallowed by US/NATO SSN/ASW fleet while the Yasen has best chance of surviving but how long is any bodys guess.

    The Goal would be to get all the SLBM/ICBM out of the silos ASAP before catastrophe strikes , which is like 5-10 minutes a nuclear strike is initiated on Moscow.

    Most NATO SSBN operate near Russian waters Barrents etc that needs less than 10 minutes for their SLBM to reach critical target.

    So 3-5 minutes is what the Stragetic Forces and SSBN forces have after that there is just disaster and hoping and praying Dead Hand could do something


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:16 pm

    Well Russia announced a new nuclear submarine class aimed at protecting SSBN groups; the so-called 4th generation subs (or was it 5th generation?).

    Russian SSBNs can be anywhere in the world's oceans; there is no neccessity in them being located in the Arctic.

    You suggest that finding them is a simple task or something that can be reasonbly assured within a certain amount of time.
    There is absolutely nothing certain when it comes to hunting SSBNs.
    Moreover, SSBNs can potentially launch their full complement of ballistic missiles very quickly if need be.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:41 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Well Russia announced a new nuclear submarine class aimed at protecting SSBN groups; the so-called 4th generation subs (or was it 5th generation?).

    Russian SSBNs can be anywhere in the world's oceans; there is no neccessity in them being located in the Arctic.

    You suggest that finding them is a simple task or something that can be reasonbly assured within a certain amount of time.
    There is absolutely nothing certain when it comes to hunting SSBNs.
    Moreover, SSBNs can potentially launch their full complement of ballistic missiles very quickly if need be.

    Exactly. Mixed between boreis and delta 4's, they can be anywhere. Add to that, Russia I believe has been the only one to prove they can launch their ssbms in salvo submerged.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:55 pm

    Viktor , it is lack of good SSN that is worrying , Russia anounce a lot of thing only to be limited by funding and industry.

    I think they are to accept that their naval component will be at significant disadvantage so have to focus on ICBM fleet mobile and silos

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:10 pm

    Funding wont be a problem unless the dickhead finance minister had his way, where he would collectively screw both Russia MiC and 1/4 industrial output, while drastically increasing poverty.

    As well, all we have to do is go a few years back to prove you wrong:
    - Russia announced 5th gen jet, people denied its existence, and here we are today with PAK FA.
    - Russia announced a new tank. And Armata was shown.
    - Russia announced a new bomber. Already comm equipment has been made for just it.

    The list goes on. The navy is in trouble, at least USC. But they could build new SSN's by using various technologies they currently have.

    Edit: let us also add that Russias budget this year was $75B or so, which is $35B more than India's while India is funding for SSN development, even though it has no previous experience or already made components like Russia does, when Russia already makes the powerplants as an example. While on Indias $40B budget, they are also purchasing billions on western aircrafts too, while Russia isnt importing aircrafts.

    OK Austin.....

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:45 pm

    Austin wrote:Viktor , it is lack of good SSN that is worrying , Russia anounce a lot of thing only to be limited by funding and industry.

    I think they are to accept that their naval component will be at significant disadvantage so have to focus on ICBM fleet mobile and silos

    Lack of good SSN? What are you smoking.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Austin on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:18 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Austin wrote:Viktor , it is lack of good SSN that is worrying , Russia anounce a lot of thing only to be limited by funding and industry.

    I think they are to accept that their naval component will be at significant disadvantage so have to focus on ICBM fleet mobile and silos

    Lack of good SSN?   What are you smoking.

    I mean the 4th Gen SSN , Compare the number of Virginia and Astute in Service of NATO compared to Yasen

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:28 pm

    Floating Workshop Black Sea Fleet "PM-138" returned to Sevastopol from Syrian port of Tartus


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:06 am

    I mean the 4th Gen SSN , Compare the number of Virginia and Astute in Service of NATO compared to Yasen

    Except that if you want to compare attack subs you also have to include Kilo, Improved Kilo and the soon to be introduced Lada class vessels... now I agree they lack long range and high speed of a SSN, but in shallow coastal waters they are actually rather more capable than a big unwieldy nuke.

    More importantly they are working on a new 5th gen sub that will likely be smaller and relatively cheaper, so it makes no sense to make dozens of current gen SSNs... or more accurately SSGNs now while they are still expensive and the economy is under economic attack from the west... in 10 years time when BRICSA is stronger and hopefully Russia has sorted its stuff out and it can make 3-4 5th gen subs for the price of one Yasen... that is when they should make more attack subs... but they will never need as many as NATO has.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:09 am

    Russian Navy will replenish the "Yuri Ivanov" intelligence ship to monitor the US missile defense system


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:41 pm

    The Black Sea Fleet has formed crews for new ships

    Latest patrol ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the project 1135.6 "Admiral Grigorovich", "Admiral Essen" and "Admiral Makarov" will be staffed exclusively by military personnel under contract, said the Fleet Commander Admiral Alexander Vitko.

    SEVASTOPOL, July 23 - RIA Novosti. The crews for the new frigates, missile ships and submarines, which will join the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) of Russia in the near future, have already been formed and trained, he told reporters on Thursday Fleet Commander Admiral Alexander Vitko.

    "The Black Sea Fleet has been completed the formation of new patrol ships crews Project 1135.6" Admiral Grigorovich "," Admiral Essen "and" Admiral Makarov "- said Vitko.

    He added that all ships will be manned exclusively by military personnel under contract.

    According to the commander, also formed and began training the crews of small missile ships "Serpukhov" and "Green Dol", built for the Black Sea Fleet in Tatarstan, and advanced diesel submarines "Novorossiysk", "Rostov-on-Don", "Stary Oskol" and "Krasnodar".

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150723/1143532381.html&usg=ALkJrhj-pnEJfIqAb1xOPQ-Edf_YYyj17Q


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