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    Post  mack8 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:23 am

    Wow it looks so used. Probably one of the first four, likely hasn't been cleaned since it came in Iraq. Must be some very intensive flying they do on them.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:18 am

    They are flying non stop...maybe 20+ sorties a day between them. The first ones will probably go back for overhaul next year!!

    And here's today's action

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    Post  Flyboy77 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:32 am

    Interest how they arm the Hind with 8 x Ataka all off one hardpoint. I would think that would unbalance it.
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    Post  iraqidabab on Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:09 pm

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    Post  iraqidabab on Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:10 pm

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:40 pm

    Can you please translate what he said?
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    Post  iraqidabab on Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:58 pm

    The arrival of MI-28 night hunter, the advanced aircraft with many capabilities and advanced weaponry which the ground forces will require, capable of operating at day and night, capable of attacking (armored) vechile's and soft targets. A new platform for the army air aviation that enhances their capabilities and so on.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:00 pm

    Ok, thank you.
    Keep us updated.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:53 am

    some more updates...

    The recently delivered D20s get their baptism of fire.

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    Post  iraqidabab on Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:55 pm

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    Post  mack8 on Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:43 pm

    Nice. Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:10 am

    Is it just me or does TOS have THE BEST SUN ROOF fitted to a modern military vehicle EVER!  pirat
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    Post  iraqidabab on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:28 pm

    1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:35 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.

    DIRCM's would of helped alot!
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:51 pm

    Well, told you they are missing self suite system which they should have bought, now they have to buy a new Mi-35 so they can save 200.000 USD again on Self suite system and pay 10-20 mln USD for a new helicopter, the short sightetness is amazing.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:48 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Well, told you they are missing self suite system which they should have bought, now they have to buy a new Mi-35 so they can save 200.000 USD again on Self suite system and pay 10-20 mln USD for a new helicopter, the short sightetness is amazing.

    They should of spent those "dead presidents" to get some President-S:

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:55 pm

    BTW Werewolf, we really need to see Morfey integration in to future defense suites to counter improving future manpad technology. A Morfey module (compact enough to hopefully fit 5 or 6 missiles) that can easily be attached between the cabin and the tail rotor would be excellent, and obviously Kamov would probably have the advantage of easier installation because their coaxial rotor doesn't have or need a tail rotor to be useful.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:19 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW Werewolf, we really need to see Morfey integration in to future defense suites to counter improving future manpad technology. A Morfey module (compact enough to hopefully fit 5 or 6 missiles) that can easily be attached between the cabin and the tail rotor would be excellent, and obviously Kamov would probably have the advantage of easier installation because their coaxial rotor doesn't have or need a tail rotor to be useful.

    I don't know the dimensions of Morfei missile can you provide some info?

    If the missile is that small it could be actually used on Mi-35 which would take at most 2 seats in cargo room, furthest to the after section that connect to the tail section.

    The most cost effective and safest on the market defense suite system would be Vitebsk with DIRCM, without DIRCM you can flare almost your entire flares with relative uneffective results, IIR-seekers are only effectivley dazzled by DIRCM and that would be far cheaper and easier to install on any plattform than Morfei APS system.

    Russia needs to equip all their Mi-24PK/VM2/VP2 (Mi-35M/PM) with vitebsk and DIRCM not just the old Beroza SPO-15 and LIP self defense suites, just not enough.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:50 am

    Morfei will likely initially be too expensive and cumbersome to load onto helos as effective self defence missiles for use against incoming missiles.

    DIRCMs would be much simpler and cheaper and much more reusable.

    The threat is from IR guided weapons... not IIR guided weapons so DIRCMs should be well worth it.

    RIP to any crew lost.
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    Post  iraqidabab on Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:13 am

    the pic of the downed mi35

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:02 am

    Hope they are now smart enough to equip their Mi-35/28 with defense suite before losing them.
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    Post  mutantsushi on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:13 am

    Not sure where I saw, but I believe I read that it was shot down by RPG, i.e. not a guided weapon at all (susceptible to DIRCM)
    Some kind of APS would be needed for that threat, albeit Morfei missiles sound like way too much overkill, +more subject to saturation.
    That, and tactics/training to avoid situations that are more vulnerable to that threat...
    But DIRCM to deal with I/IR missiles seems a no-brainer. Hopefully now after this.
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    Post  Mike E on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:19 am

    mutantsushi wrote:Not sure where I saw, but I believe I read that it was shot down by RPG, i.e. not a guided weapon at all (susceptible to DIRCM)
    Some kind of APS would be needed for that threat, albeit Morfei missiles sound like way too much overkill, +more subject to saturation.
    That, and tactics/training to avoid situations that are more vulnerable to that threat...
    But DIRCM to deal with I/IR missiles seems a no-brainer.  Hopefully now after this.
    Wow, a friggin' RPG! APS needs to be implemented on aircraft, the problem is how to get it done... The easiest option would be to have it be related to ground based systems, as in a soft kill-hard kill system. The hard kill system would have to use some kind of super fast air-to-air missile, just complicating matters even more... Better yet, prevent the rocket from launching at you in the first place...

    May the crew rest in peace, along with the Mi...
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:23 am

    mutantsushi wrote:Not sure where I saw, but I believe I read that it was shot down by RPG, i.e. not a guided weapon at all (susceptible to DIRCM)
    Some kind of APS would be needed for that threat, albeit Morfei missiles sound like way too much overkill, +more subject to saturation.
    That, and tactics/training to avoid situations that are more vulnerable to that threat...
    But DIRCM to deal with I/IR missiles seems a no-brainer.  Hopefully now after this.

    If that was a RPG indeed then it would be almost impossible to install any effecient system to safe the helicopter from RPGs which are fired less then 50m from the helicopter to even have any chance of hitting the helicopter.
    The far higher chance is to hope that the RPG will hit something non vital part of the helicopter that would maintain a high survivability rate for the helicopter and pilots.

    The most important factor for Attack Helicopter operations and the combat effeciency and survivability is planning and high quality intel of the surrounding, mission and the planned mission flight path to avoid detection or entering of enemy zone, but providing intel for every single mission is very time intensive and often not possible in such QRF like forces.
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    Post  NationalRus on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:44 am

    till now the iraq army was nothing more then a supply depot for ISIS, even ther state of the art combat helicopters were used despicably bad

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