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    sepheronx

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 24, 2014 8:31 am

    Do not forget, those M1's Iraq were sent are monkey models compared to US variants, so do not be surprised if performance is lacking. To be fair, I would still rather be in an M1 Iraqi variant than a T-72 Iraqi variant. If it was T-90A's then a different story.

    Yes, Iraq can become a very important business partner for Russia (not ally but business partner) as Russia produces a lot of equipment that Iraqi's are familiar with but meeting modern international standards, as well as providing it at much lower costs. I am surprised though at Iraq's purchases in Jets though. MiG-29's are good and all, but they already have F-16's (monkey models as well) and are good short range jets. But what about the long range for its vast borders? Su-30's would have been much smarter buys, something like the Algerian variant of Su-30's would have sufficed. As they are long range, with very advanced capabilities for both Air to Air and Air to Ground, it would be the most versatile weapon for Iraq, and would be good for policing its airforce as well as striking hardened targets far away, while F-16's are good for closer ranges. Having two types of jets in the same category makes very little sense.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat May 24, 2014 5:22 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Do not forget, those M1's Iraq were sent are monkey models compared to US variants, so do not be surprised if performance is lacking.  To be fair, I would still rather be in an M1 Iraqi variant than a T-72 Iraqi variant.  If it was T-90A's then a different story.
    they are monkey models yes but not to the extent of the soviet monkey models- its mostly the armor composition that differs between the export and vanilla abrams.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 24, 2014 7:30 pm

    I think the extent of Iraqi's having "monkey model" Abrams is exaggerated, from my understanding the only difference between U.S. Abrams and the Abrams that Egypt and Iraq have is in the frontal turret armor. U.S. Abrams have depleted uranium slabs in their turret armor while export models don't. While the depleted uranium increases the effective armor of the front of the Abrams it's far from invincible, a Kornet-EM system attached to a Gaz Tigr-M truck would still make mince-meat out of Abrams or any other tank out their even if the tank has an active protection system (Kornet-EM is designed to defeat active protection systems).

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon May 26, 2014 11:23 am

    sepheronx wrote:Do not forget, those M1's Iraq were sent are monkey models compared to US variants, so do not be surprised if performance is lacking.  To be fair, I would still rather be in an M1 Iraqi variant than a T-72 Iraqi variant.  If it was T-90A's then a different story.

    which is why the 9th armoured division is already training and preparing for receiving T90S tanks and a further 2 armoured divisions will be armed with T90s in the future.... whilst Iraq's "follow on" order for 175x ABRAMS and 200x Bradleys was cancelled.


    Yes, Iraq can become a very important business partner for Russia (not ally but business partner) as Russia produces a lot of equipment that Iraqi's are familiar with but meeting modern international standards, as well as providing it at much lower costs.
     

    within 1-2 years Russia will be Iraq's number 1 weapons supplier, as the US orders from the 2011-2012 period filter through into deliveries, the fact that no further orders from the US are coming and the "ramp up" of deliveries from Russia will begin in earnest in summer/autumn 2014. by 2015 Russia will be No1... and by 2016 when the remaining F16s come through the gap between Russia and the US will be massive as orders from the US will be simply for munitions and support from then on, whilst Russia would probably be continuing to ramp up deliveries.

    I am surprised though at Iraq's purchases in Jets though.  MiG-29's are good and all, but they already have F-16's (monkey models as well) and are good short range jets.  But what about the long range for its vast borders? Su-30's would have been much smarter buys, something like the Algerian variant of Su-30's would have sufficed.  As they are long range, with very advanced capabilities for both Air to Air and Air to Ground, it would be the most versatile weapon for Iraq, and would be good for policing its airforce as well as striking hardened targets far away, while F-16's are good for closer ranges.  Having two types of jets in the same category makes very little sense.


    Iraq is actually quite a small country (smaller than sweden!) with a number of airfields dotted around, so not really comparable to Algeria (it is 6x bigger than Iraq!) which is a vast country. So far there's no confirmation of what "russian" fighter they're buying, but they are getting 24 FA-50s from Korea (more light fighters) in addition to their 36x F16s (which will end up being for attack mostly and DO have a pretty good range with their CFTs). What Iraqis "want" is modern AAMs, and with that in mind they're talking to CATIC about JF17s as well as with Dassault about Rafale. in both instances the "armaments" is what they're really seeking (and hopefully deliveries of MICA or METEOR or SD10 would "convince" the US to deliver AMRAAM / AiM9X for the F16s.

    I do see a "benefit" for Iraq operating a single squadron of "high end" fighters like SU35 to match up to the higher end fighter jets that the neighbours are getting (F35s, Eurofighters etc..). and maybe one "strategic" squadron of long range strike aircraft (SU34) with maybe a dual maritime-strike and land strike role (maybe something like a SU32FN ... but looks like it will never be produced?).

    However I think that those types will not come now as the Iraqis want to get the "basics" in order before going for the "luxuries"...

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon May 26, 2014 1:34 pm

    interesting. Andrei_bt says Iraq will resume receiving BTR4s from Ukraine? sounds very strange, didn't hear anything about that from Iraqis!

    http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/273955.html


    and here's a Ukrainian source... http://news.kh.ua/kharkov/38915-irakskiy-k%20ontrakt-na-postavku-btr-budet-vozobnovle%20n-nardep-girshfeld.html


    I am a bit mystified really. Iraq and Ukraine signed this deal in 2009 as the first of a "multi-year" deal. The details at the time were as follows:

    $550M for the "first" deal. 6x An32B + 420 BTR4s. which were to be delivered by MARCH 2012!

    Then "follow on" deals for a further $2Bn that would include thousand more BTR4s + new Ukrainian Corvette + 4x more AN32Bs + Oplot Main Battle Tanks.


    Obviously what happened was the Ukrainian side sent Iraqis An32B with second hand engines and cockpits (which were rejected and then reworked)... then the BTR4s were delayed and had lots of problems with cannon, engines and finally the actual armour being cracked on delivery... and all of that whilst being many years late for a relatively "simple" order of wheeled APCs with lots of COTS parts.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  TR1 on Mon May 26, 2014 9:41 pm

    A bunch of Iraqi BTR-4s are being shot up in Ukraine right now, somehow I doubt deliveries will resume.

    New Ukrainian corvette? Their shipbuilding capability is ass, why would Iraq go to them?

    Btw these news are from a Deputat, so it is safe to say he is talking out of his ass.

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    Post  a89 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:20 am

    interesting. Andrei_bt says Iraq will resume receiving BTR4s from Ukraine? sounds very strange, didn't hear anything about that from Iraqis!

    sheytanelkebir, you have any information on BTR-94 status? a few years go they were used by nowadays are not seen.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:56 pm

    a89 wrote:
    interesting. Andrei_bt says Iraq will resume receiving BTR4s from Ukraine? sounds very strange, didn't hear anything about that from Iraqis!

    sheytanelkebir, you have any information on BTR-94 status? a few years go they were used by nowadays are not seen.

    They are still around, they are used by the Interior Ministry's "National Police" not the army and painted blue and white. They are posted at some of the entrances to Baghdad for example.

    here are some revas of the national police with the same colour scheme as the BTR94s. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Iraqi_National_Police_armored_vehicles.jpg
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  mack8 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:41 pm

    I think i've read from iraqi posters about the iraqi leadership's fixation with buying new or mostly new stuff, if there was any reason and sense of emergency in the government surely by now they COULD have had a squadron or two of second hand F-16 (US, european, no matter) to please the US, a squadron or two of Su-25 (surely there must have been some around Belarus, Ukraine etc. if not Russia), Su-24Ms (again, Belarus sold some recently), maybe some attack helicopters (used Mi-24) not to mention high-end interceptors like ex-indian Su-30K. Also they COULD have jumped in and get a squadron or two of EMB-314 by now rather that wait for this AT-6 (IF they will order any).
    As it is, what they bought so far is terribly late compared to WHEN they are needed (Mi-35M only late 2013, Mi-28NE MAYBE his year, F-16 late this year, L-159 MAYBE this year, T-50IQ in 2016 etc etc.). If it's to make a sort of parallel with Syria, it is armour and air power that stopped the jihadists from overrunning all of Syria by now. Imo, in the current circumstances,  not terribly new or terribly high performance weaponry is MUCH better than no weaponry at all.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:46 am

    Great video of Iraqi Mi-35 gunship destroying Terrorist convoy.
    Video is probably captured by a UAV. The Mi-35 is clearly seen firing guns and missiles and scoring multiple hits.


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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:04 am

    nice bit of action from the Mi35M. the IA-407s giving the target info.

    how come we haven't seen footage directly from the gun camera of the Mi35s though?

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    Post  fragmachine on Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:05 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Great video of Iraqi Mi-35 gunship destroying Terrorist convoy.
    Video is probably captured by a UAV. The Mi-35 is clearly seen firing guns and missiles and scoring multiple hits.


    Wonder if pickups in this video are Ford made, like those shiny brand new spanking ones that FSA have.

    Anyway great vid.

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:50 pm

    fragmachine wrote:

    Wonder if pickups in this video are Ford made, like those shiny brand new spanking ones that FSA have.

    Anyway great vid.

    Toyota Hilux.
    And the gun on it looks like kord?
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:18 pm

    What else have you received or expect to receive soon?
    How is the situation there?
    My information tell me that even Baghdad may be at risk, is this accurate?
    Who are this guys? How organize and finance them?
    Thank you

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:19 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:What else have you received or expect to receive soon?
    How is the situation there?
    My information  tell me that even Baghdad may be at risk, is this accurate?
    Who are this guys? How organize and finance them?
    Thank you

    -Don't know what we'll receive. Iraq has already asked the US, France and "other countries" to provide air support for the Iraqi ground forces and militias.

    -There are thousands of Sunni-Arab "sleeper cells" waiting for the "="D-Day" in Baghdad and rise up. Meanwhile Sistani has called for mobilisation against the terrorists, so the Shia-Arabs have recruited 155,000 volunteers over the past 2 days to fight against Daesh "alliance" that includes all manner of sunni-arab groups.
    -The Kurds have a de-facto agreement with the Daesh, and have "split the cake" in Northern Iraq.. freeing up daesh to move southwards.
    -They have no shortage of money or people... You can consider the events in Iraq a general "sunni arab" uprising against Shia rule.

    Pretty much the country is "split up" for all intents and purposes now.

    Kurdistan has achieved the maximal territories it has been trying to capture. So, along with the Syrian Kurds will declare a "transnational" Kurdish state encompassing Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan (as well as recently captured territories).
    -The ISIS/Daesh has its own large "transnational state" now with the sunni-Arab areas of Iraq along with Eastern Syria.
    -Central and Southern Iraq is now the de-facto remaining "Shia Arab" state with control of 85% of oil resources and all ports of the old "Iraq".

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    Post  thesaint on Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:02 pm

    it better the country to split up dont think the sunnis want to live under shias and shias dont want to live under them, but the question is would they take the capital.

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:What else have you received or expect to receive soon?
    How is the situation there?
    My information  tell me that even Baghdad may be at risk, is this accurate?
    Who are this guys? How organize and finance them?
    Thank you

    -Don't know what we'll receive. Iraq has already asked the US, France and "other countries" to provide air support for the Iraqi ground forces and militias.

    -There are thousands of Sunni-Arab "sleeper cells" waiting for the "="D-Day" in Baghdad and rise up. Meanwhile Sistani has called for mobilisation against the terrorists, so the Shia-Arabs have recruited 155,000 volunteers over the past 2 days to fight against Daesh "alliance" that includes all manner of sunni-arab groups.
    -The Kurds have a de-facto agreement with the Daesh, and have "split the cake" in Northern Iraq.. freeing up daesh to move southwards.
    -They have no shortage of money or people... You can consider the events in Iraq a general "sunni arab" uprising against Shia rule.

    Pretty much the country is "split up" for all intents and purposes now.

    Kurdistan has achieved the maximal territories it has been trying to capture. So, along with the Syrian Kurds will declare a "transnational" Kurdish state encompassing Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan (as well as recently captured territories).
    -The ISIS/Daesh has its own large "transnational state" now with the sunni-Arab areas of Iraq along with Eastern Syria.
    -Central and Southern Iraq is now the de-facto remaining "Shia Arab" state with control of 85% of oil resources and all ports of the old "Iraq".

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  thesaint on Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:10 pm

    do you know how much ammo they getting with them or if they even have pilots to fly them, not seeing much videos about the airforce in action.


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:42 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:What else have you received or expect to receive soon?
    How is the situation there?
    My information  tell me that even Baghdad may be at risk, is this accurate?
    Who are this guys? How organize and finance them?
    Thank you

    -Don't know what we'll receive. Iraq has already asked the US, France and "other countries" to provide air support for the Iraqi ground forces and militias.

    Do western countries actually want to provide those airstrikes?

    Because ISIS is Assad's enemy, and west would like to topple him.
    Not an expert, but the rule "enemy of my enemy is my friend" could possibly be applied there, isn't it?

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  thesaint on Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:54 pm

    hopefully this time iraq will let USAF stay permanently, thats if they help in the first place.
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:What else have you received or expect to receive soon?
    How is the situation there?
    My information  tell me that even Baghdad may be at risk, is this accurate?
    Who are this guys? How organize and finance them?
    Thank you

    -Don't know what we'll receive. Iraq has already asked the US, France and "other countries" to provide air support for the Iraqi ground forces and militias.

    Do western countries actually want to provide those airstrikes?

    Because ISIS is Assad's enemy, and west would like to topple him.
    Not an expert, but the rule "enemy of my enemy is my friend" could possibly be applied there, isn't it?

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    Post  thesaint on Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:09 pm

    looks like no help from US

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    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:33 pm

    Well, if USA refuses to help, I think the reasons for that may be more serious than just being butthurt over denied bases.

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    Post  thesaint on Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:48 pm

    well iraq is a mess no doubt, but lets face it ISIS i pretty much bankrolled by us and the gulf nations, killing them will be probably a good definition of blue on blue. beside they doing our bidding right now so why waste them.
    etaepsilonk wrote:Well, if USA refuses to help, I think the reasons for that may be more serious than just being butthurt over denied bases.
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    Post  mack8 on Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:48 pm

    Sheytan, regarding a possible attack on Baghdad, i would have thought it is very heavily defended no, sleeper-cells or no sleeper cells? How do you see such an attack unfolding?

    looks like no help from US


    Of course not, don't forget who is supporting, training  and arming the jihadists fighting against both Syria and Iraq: the US (with very certain israeli "advice"- and i'm not saying that because i'm "anti-semite", i loath them for their actions, not for their ethnicity) coordinating and orchestrating things from the shadows, and KSA and other GCC puppet states in the region doing the actual dirty work.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:40 pm

    Good News people! Both Shia and Sunni clerics are both calling to fightback the barbaric ISIS hordes:

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  BlackArrow on Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:49 pm

    mack8 wrote:Sheytan, regarding a possible attack on Baghdad, i would have thought it is very heavily defended no, sleeper-cells or no sleeper cells? How do you see such an attack unfolding?

    looks like no help from US


    Of course not, don't forget who is supporting, training  and arming the jihadists fighting against both Syria and Iraq: the US (with very certain israeli "advice"- and i'm not saying that because i'm "anti-semite", i loath them for their actions, not for their ethnicity) coordinating and orchestrating things from the shadows, and KSA and other GCC puppet states in the region doing the actual dirty work.

    You would want some evidence for that I'd say? Americans supporting the Jihadists??


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