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    AlfaT8

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:06 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
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    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Good news that Iraq has shown some spine to not bow down to US pressure to "buy" their stuff.

    the only new weapons Iraq ordered from the US since the withdrawal of US forces has been a single KingAir 350I ISR plane.

    They've made "DSCA enquiries" for lots of other weapons since then of course, but NONE have been converted into sales.
    I believe they also ordered some second hand F-16s, but the U.S toke way to long to deliver (which is odd since it's the F-16 not F-35), anyway Washington toke there sweet sweet time and Iraq said F#&$ it, Russia it is.

    Iraq ordered 36 brand new F16s. But they were ordered BEFORE the US withdrawal (and none have been delivered, although 4 have been built and are in the US). the Iraqis were supposed to place additional orders for F16s (for a total of 96 as per the "plan" the US put in place for the Iraqis)... but the Iraqis stopped at 36 aircraft... and they haven't even received any of those!

    Since the US withdrawal, like I said, the Iraqis have not bought anything except for a single KingAir 350I aircraft, as well as the usual overpriced maintenance and service contracts.
    Ooh man, talk about tragic, has there been any talk of dropping the F-16 deal and going for some Mig-29s, probably be faster.


    americans already have the money... so they have us by the balls! In fact the US are now saying they will deliver the first planes to Iraq once Iraq pays about $1Bn for "support" contractors...

    Iraqi are saying to the americans deliver the items we've paid for FIRST and THEN we'll pay the "support" contracts...

    so the standoff continues.
    WTF, even under these circumstances. Suspect
    For comparisons sake, how many Mig-29SMT/M2s or even the 35s could Iraq get with that $1Bn?? pirat
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:01 pm

    If they even get that money back.... 

    It must be somewhere north of ~20?

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:25 pm

    I'm sure F-16's will eventually be delivered, they will be useful with the laser-guided munitions.

    It's just that Russian purchases are easier and cheaper, you pay they deliver ASAP unlike the US.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:25 pm

    Yeah, which is funny considering their much smaller MIC.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:44 pm

    Obama to Present Case for Broader U.S. Mission Against Militants

    WASHINGTON — President Obama will use a speech to the nation on Wednesday to make his case for launching a United States-led offensive against Sunni militants gaining ground in the Middle East, seeking to rally support for a broad military mission while reassuring the public he is not plunging American forces into another Iraq war.

    “I’m preparing the country to make sure that we deal with a threat from” the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, Mr. Obama said in an interview broadcast Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
    “What I want people to understand,” he said, “is that over the course of months, we are going to be able to not just blunt the momentum” of the militants. “We are going to systematically degrade their capabilities; we’re going to shrink the territory that they control; and, ultimately, we’re going to defeat them,” he added.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/us/politics/obama-to-present-case-for-broader-us-mission-against-militants.html?_r=0
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:21 pm

    "Obama to present case for broader US mineral mining, errr, terrorist killing in Iraq."


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:13 pm

    Title says it's MI-28 AT NIGHT

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1410167871

    ***More info: This is an attack that was carried out by the Iraqi air force on targets in a town called "DHULUIYA". The attack was requested by the people of the town as they are surrounded by ISIS and consistently attacked by them. A member of the resistant town was able to pass on the locations of these targets to the air force. Towards the end of the video we can hear that some one from the Iraqi air force base contacting the member of the town and confirming the accuracy of the strikes.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  medo on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:09 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:Title says it's MI-28 AT NIGHT

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1410167871

    ***More info: This is an attack that was carried out by the Iraqi air force on targets in a town called "DHULUIYA". The attack was requested by the people of the town as they are surrounded by ISIS and consistently attacked by them. A member of the resistant town was able to pass on the locations of these targets to the air force. Towards the end of the video we can hear that some one from the Iraqi air force base contacting the member of the town and confirming the accuracy of the strikes.


    Could as well be Mi-35. Both are night capable.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:25 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:Title says it's MI-28 AT NIGHT

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1410167871

    ***More info: This is an attack that was carried out by the Iraqi air force on targets in a town called "DHULUIYA". The attack was requested by the people of the town as they are surrounded by ISIS and consistently attacked by them. A member of the resistant town was able to pass on the locations of these targets to the air force. Towards the end of the video we can hear that some one from the Iraqi air force base contacting the member of the town and confirming the accuracy of the strikes.

    The guy says it was a guess... So it could be the -35 etc.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:32 pm

    You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:51 am

    I reckon its a 20mm from the EC635.

    http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=223


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:36 am

    I presume the night vision equipment on the export model Mi-28 is the same as the night vision equipment on the export Mi-35M2...

    Pleased to see them being useful.  Wink


    BTW the fact that they are in contact with the Air Force and got feed back on the results of the attack suggests they are probably well informed as to what helo type was used.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:13 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.
    Good observation...

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:14 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:17 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!
    Export models and other variants could be quieter. That or it was the location of the filmer etc.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:16 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!
    Export models and other variants could be quieter. That or it was the location of the filmer etc.

    No, they would not. To have any direct acustic diffrences between Mi-28 domestic or export you need to change at least the engines and for bigger difference the rotor blades, but they are identical to domestic Mi-28.

    It does not even sound like Mi-28 nor Mi-35 and maybe it is the crappy mobile phone camera but it really doesn't sound anywhere near as big as Mi-28.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:24 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!
    Export models and other variants could be quieter. That or it was the location of the filmer etc.

    No, they would not. To have any direct acustic diffrences between Mi-28 domestic or export you need to change at least the engines and for bigger difference the rotor blades, but they are identical to domestic Mi-28.

    It does not even sound like Mi-28 nor Mi-35 and maybe it is the crappy mobile phone camera but it really doesn't sound anywhere near as big as Mi-28.
    I'm with you on the "crappy little camera".... It explains everything!

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:49 am

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:31 am

    Seeing as we don't know how far away it is... how do we tell how loud it should be?
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:35 am

    GarryB wrote:Seeing as we don't know how far away it is... how do we tell how loud it should be?

    It's not about how load it is, but about the pattern from rotors and engines. I maybe very wrong but from seeing loads of vidoes from Mi-28 filmed with high pro cameras and crappy mobile phones they all had covered the distinctive sound pattern while here it sounds different. Sounds more like a smaller engine and smaller sized helicopter overall. Maybe i am wrong and it is indeed Mi-28.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:57 am

    the Mi28NE are not even in service yet.

    The night time attack was most probably carried out by an EC635 with its 20mm... it fits the bill in terms of what the iraqis possess most closely.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:36 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:the Mi28NE are not even in service yet.

    The night time attack was most probably carried out by an EC635 with its 20mm... it fits the bill in terms of what the iraqis possess most closely.

    Would be very astonishing if they would somehow manage to use them already after recieving them without even having proper time to get settled with the basic mechanical terms and logistics.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  mack8 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:36 pm

    Footage of Su-25s AND Mi-28s in flight in Iraq:


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:28 pm

    1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.
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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:35 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.

    DIRCM's would of helped alot!

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