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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:21 pm

    "Obama to present case for broader US mineral mining, errr, terrorist killing in Iraq."


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:13 pm

    Title says it's MI-28 AT NIGHT

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1410167871

    ***More info: This is an attack that was carried out by the Iraqi air force on targets in a town called "DHULUIYA". The attack was requested by the people of the town as they are surrounded by ISIS and consistently attacked by them. A member of the resistant town was able to pass on the locations of these targets to the air force. Towards the end of the video we can hear that some one from the Iraqi air force base contacting the member of the town and confirming the accuracy of the strikes.


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  medo on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:09 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:Title says it's MI-28 AT NIGHT

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1410167871

    ***More info: This is an attack that was carried out by the Iraqi air force on targets in a town called "DHULUIYA". The attack was requested by the people of the town as they are surrounded by ISIS and consistently attacked by them. A member of the resistant town was able to pass on the locations of these targets to the air force. Towards the end of the video we can hear that some one from the Iraqi air force base contacting the member of the town and confirming the accuracy of the strikes.


    Could as well be Mi-35. Both are night capable.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:25 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:Title says it's MI-28 AT NIGHT

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1410167871

    ***More info: This is an attack that was carried out by the Iraqi air force on targets in a town called "DHULUIYA". The attack was requested by the people of the town as they are surrounded by ISIS and consistently attacked by them. A member of the resistant town was able to pass on the locations of these targets to the air force. Towards the end of the video we can hear that some one from the Iraqi air force base contacting the member of the town and confirming the accuracy of the strikes.

    The guy says it was a guess... So it could be the -35 etc.

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    Post  iraqidabab on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:32 pm

    You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:51 am

    I reckon its a 20mm from the EC635.

    http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=223



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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:36 am

    I presume the night vision equipment on the export model Mi-28 is the same as the night vision equipment on the export Mi-35M2...

    Pleased to see them being useful.  Wink


    BTW the fact that they are in contact with the Air Force and got feed back on the results of the attack suggests they are probably well informed as to what helo type was used.


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:13 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.
    Good observation...

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:14 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:17 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!
    Export models and other variants could be quieter. That or it was the location of the filmer etc.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:16 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!
    Export models and other variants could be quieter. That or it was the location of the filmer etc.

    No, they would not. To have any direct acustic diffrences between Mi-28 domestic or export you need to change at least the engines and for bigger difference the rotor blades, but they are identical to domestic Mi-28.

    It does not even sound like Mi-28 nor Mi-35 and maybe it is the crappy mobile phone camera but it really doesn't sound anywhere near as big as Mi-28.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:24 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:You're right read that too fast.

    The gun sound sounds more like the MI-28's one barrel 30mm then the double barrel 23mm though.

    and the helo is far too quiet to be either!
    Export models and other variants could be quieter. That or it was the location of the filmer etc.

    No, they would not. To have any direct acustic diffrences between Mi-28 domestic or export you need to change at least the engines and for bigger difference the rotor blades, but they are identical to domestic Mi-28.

    It does not even sound like Mi-28 nor Mi-35 and maybe it is the crappy mobile phone camera but it really doesn't sound anywhere near as big as Mi-28.
    I'm with you on the "crappy little camera".... It explains everything!

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:31 am

    Seeing as we don't know how far away it is... how do we tell how loud it should be?


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:35 am

    GarryB wrote:Seeing as we don't know how far away it is... how do we tell how loud it should be?

    It's not about how load it is, but about the pattern from rotors and engines. I maybe very wrong but from seeing loads of vidoes from Mi-28 filmed with high pro cameras and crappy mobile phones they all had covered the distinctive sound pattern while here it sounds different. Sounds more like a smaller engine and smaller sized helicopter overall. Maybe i am wrong and it is indeed Mi-28.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:57 am

    the Mi28NE are not even in service yet.

    The night time attack was most probably carried out by an EC635 with its 20mm... it fits the bill in terms of what the iraqis possess most closely.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:36 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:the Mi28NE are not even in service yet.

    The night time attack was most probably carried out by an EC635 with its 20mm... it fits the bill in terms of what the iraqis possess most closely.

    Would be very astonishing if they would somehow manage to use them already after recieving them without even having proper time to get settled with the basic mechanical terms and logistics.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  mack8 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:36 pm

    Footage of Su-25s AND Mi-28s in flight in Iraq:


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  iraqidabab on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:28 pm

    1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:35 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.

    DIRCM's would of helped alot!

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:51 pm

    Well, told you they are missing self suite system which they should have bought, now they have to buy a new Mi-35 so they can save 200.000 USD again on Self suite system and pay 10-20 mln USD for a new helicopter, the short sightetness is amazing.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:48 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Well, told you they are missing self suite system which they should have bought, now they have to buy a new Mi-35 so they can save 200.000 USD again on Self suite system and pay 10-20 mln USD for a new helicopter, the short sightetness is amazing.

    They should of spent those "dead presidents" to get some President-S:


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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:55 pm

    BTW Werewolf, we really need to see Morfey integration in to future defense suites to counter improving future manpad technology. A Morfey module (compact enough to hopefully fit 5 or 6 missiles) that can easily be attached between the cabin and the tail rotor would be excellent, and obviously Kamov would probably have the advantage of easier installation because their coaxial rotor doesn't have or need a tail rotor to be useful.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:19 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW Werewolf, we really need to see Morfey integration in to future defense suites to counter improving future manpad technology. A Morfey module (compact enough to hopefully fit 5 or 6 missiles) that can easily be attached between the cabin and the tail rotor would be excellent, and obviously Kamov would probably have the advantage of easier installation because their coaxial rotor doesn't have or need a tail rotor to be useful.

    I don't know the dimensions of Morfei missile can you provide some info?

    If the missile is that small it could be actually used on Mi-35 which would take at most 2 seats in cargo room, furthest to the after section that connect to the tail section.

    The most cost effective and safest on the market defense suite system would be Vitebsk with DIRCM, without DIRCM you can flare almost your entire flares with relative uneffective results, IIR-seekers are only effectivley dazzled by DIRCM and that would be far cheaper and easier to install on any plattform than Morfei APS system.

    Russia needs to equip all their Mi-24PK/VM2/VP2 (Mi-35M/PM) with vitebsk and DIRCM not just the old Beroza SPO-15 and LIP self defense suites, just not enough.

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    Re: Iraqi Armed Forces: Discussion and News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:50 am

    Morfei will likely initially be too expensive and cumbersome to load onto helos as effective self defence missiles for use against incoming missiles.

    DIRCMs would be much simpler and cheaper and much more reusable.

    The threat is from IR guided weapons... not IIR guided weapons so DIRCMs should be well worth it.

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