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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:54 pm

    Mike E wrote:
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    iraqidabab wrote:Looks more like US Apache then MI-28

    Hard to tell.
    Yep, but its wide tail is reminiscent of the Apache...

    Iraq would be wise to equip their Mi-28/35's first with President-S or at least equip them with MAWS integrated to automatic flare dispensing before risking more helicopters and soldiers and not to rush into battle.
    Very (wise)... Though they seem to avoid it, probably due to a lack of funds or something like that. All important Iraqi helicopters should be using MAWS and other advanced protection systems, as even the most maneuverable helicopter is a siting duck when it begins to hover.

    Maneuverability is very important but not a big factor when you are already engaged by a MANPAD, then only a good self defense suite and right positioning of the helicopter to expose as little as possible of engines while flaring towards the "noticed" or at least the guessed launching position of the MANPAD, to achieve "camoflauging" engines from the seeker and engines alined along flares trajectory.
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    Post  iraqidabab on Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:09 pm

    also TOS-1 training is complete, they fired a few shots for camera
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:18 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:Looks more like US Apache then MI-28

    Hard to tell.
    Yep, but its wide tail is reminiscent of the Apache...

    Iraq would be wise to equip their Mi-28/35's first with President-S or at least equip them with MAWS integrated to automatic flare dispensing before risking more helicopters and soldiers and not to rush into battle.
    Very (wise)... Though they seem to avoid it, probably due to a lack of funds or something like that. All important Iraqi helicopters should be using MAWS and other advanced protection systems, as even the most maneuverable helicopter is a siting duck when it begins to hover.

    Maneuverability is very important but not a big factor when you are already engaged by a MANPAD, then only a good self defense suite and right positioning of the helicopter to expose as little as possible of engines while flaring towards the "noticed" or at least the guessed launching position of the MANPAD, to achieve "camoflauging" engines from the seeker and engines alined along flares trajectory.

    "President-S" for president:

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    ...For people who are not aware of how capable the President-S self-defense suite is, Rostec just recently made an article on it:

    The laser system has a mass of 64 kg, the working sector of 360 ° in azimuth and 90 ° in elevation and consists of a solid-state laser, optical-mechanical unit with a transmission head and the control unit and power supply.

    The system is able to inhibit at least two simultaneously attacking missiles and is active in all IR bands. It operates as a feedback "aircraft - the rocket." This determines the type of the missile, it is also possible pursuit for her, a laser beam to determine the moment of failure and guidance to ensure the reflection of the next attack in the case of multiple threats.

    Lasers in aviation
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:47 pm

    its too heavy to install in IA-407 or EC-635 helos.

    But should be OK. for Mi171/28N/35M types... and maybe the UH-1s.


    anyway, any answer on the chassis of the Iraqi TOS-1A ? Is it T90 or T72B?
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:56 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:its too heavy to install in IA-407 or EC-635 helos.

    But should be OK. for Mi171/28N/35M types... and maybe the UH-1s.


    anyway, any answer on the chassis of the Iraqi TOS-1A ? Is it T90 or T72B?

    Not sure but it does look like T-90 chassis.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:24 am

    Looks more like US Apache then MI-28

    Looks to me to be an Apache too... looks like it only has 4 main rotor blades.
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    Post  zg18 on Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:00 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:The TOS-1A in training in Iraq.

    Question is... the Iraqi MOD said that the Iraqi TOS-1A comes on a T90 chassis and not a T72 Chassis. And that does indeed look like a T90 chassis to me. Confirmation would be appreciated.

    Azerbaijan got theirs on T-90 chassis , so that is true for Iraq.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:57 pm

    Iraqs new minister of defence appointed.

    He studied in Serbia and russia and speaks Serbian and Russian in addition to English and Arabic.

    He was a senior engineer in the Iraqi air force with 19 years service on airframes and turbines.

    I think he will be a good harbinger for Iraqi Russian defence deals in the future.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:43 pm

    Mi28NE over Baghdad

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    Post  Flyboy77 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:30 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:Mi28NE over Baghdad


    Awesome.

    Any word on will they'll will be flying combat missions or is the squadron still being perpared.
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    Post  iraqidabab on Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:10 am

    Flyboy77 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:Mi28NE over Baghdad


    Awesome.

    Any word on will they'll will be flying combat missions or is the squadron still being perpared.

    I think this fly-by just like with the first TOS-1 fire is the signal that they're now ready for combat. But unfortunately they probably won't release MI-28 vid like Apache vids shown on youtube, they didn't of the MI-35 either they only do so of the hellfire missiles being fired.
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    Post  iraqidabab on Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:45 pm

    Iraq prepares to deploy Mi-28NE attack helos against the Islamic State

    I'm sure they will use this at night often to avoid the risks, that'll be some hell for ISIS from above, let's hope for FLIR cam vids.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:35 pm

    from 20 seconds to 50 seconds you see TOS-1A being used in Baiji.

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    Post  mack8 on Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:55 pm

    What looks like an iraqi Mi-28NE with Arbalet radar (at Rostvertol). Thanks MSphere for the find.
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    Post  F-15E on Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:00 pm

    Iraq – M1A1 Abrams Tanks
    WASHINGTON, Dec 19, 2014[b - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Iraq for M1A1 Abrams tanks and associated equipment, parts and logistical support for an estimated cost of $2.4 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

    The Government of Iraq has requested a possible sale of 175 Full Track M1A1 Abrams Tanks with 120mm Gun modified and upgraded to the M1A1 Abrams configuration, 15 M88A2 Improved Tank Recovery Vehicles, 175 .50 Caliber M2 Machine Guns with Chrysler Mount, 350 7.62mm M240 Machine Guns, 10 .50 Caliber BR M2 HB Machine Guns, 10,000 M831A1 120mm High Explosive Anti-tank TP-T Ammunition, 25,000 M865 120mm TPCSDS-T Ammunition, 10,000 M830A1 120mm High Explosive Anti-tank Multipurpose Tracer Ammunition, 10,000 M1002 120mm Target Practice Multipurpose Tracer (TPMP-T) Ammunition, and 190 AN/VRC-92 Vehicular Dual Long-Range Radio Systems, 700 M1028 Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicles, Radios, Receiver Transmitters (RT-1702G), installation, ammunition, simulators, communication equipment, support equipment, fuel, transportation, spare and repair parts, site surveys, Quality Assurance Teams, special tools and test equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistical support services, and other related elements of program and logistics support. The estimated cost is $2.4 billion...

    http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/iraq-m1a1-abrams-tanks

    Iraq - M1151A1 Up-Armored High Mobility Multi-Purpose Wheeled Vehicles
    WASHINGTON, Dec 19, 2014 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Iraq for M1151A1 Up-Armored High Mobility Multi-Purpose Wheeled Vehicles and associated equipment, parts and logistical support for an estimated cost of $579 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

    The Government of Iraq has requested a possible sale of 1000 M1151A1 Up-Armored High Mobility Multi-Purpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs), 1000 M2 .50 caliber machine guns, and 1000 MK-19 40mm grenade launchers with universal mounts, commercial radios, communication equipment, repair and spare parts, publications and technical documentation, tools and test equipment, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor logistics and technical support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $579 million...

    http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/iraq-m1151a1-armored-high-mobility-multi-purpose-wheeled-vehicles
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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:50 am

    Pics of Iranian Made T72s in Tikrit




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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:08 am

    T-72 modernized with 4 men crew and modernized with 40 tons?
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:23 pm

    Werewolf wrote:T-72 modernized with 4 men crew and modernized with 40 tons?
    thats some "modernization" they did Rolling Eyes. poster tho says its upgrade of T-55, when its clearly a T-72 they are showing, or maybe they meant that original T-72 are upgrades of T-55(which is false) and they are upgrading that upgrade dunno
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:39 pm

    It wouldn't even work if they put a T-72 turret on a T-55 chassis, there is no space for 4 people in that tank, the turret can't give space for 3 people and unnecessary it would be even if it could. What would be his job anyway?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:18 pm

    Read further down the page describing the "upgrade" and you will see it is fitted with a 105mm rifled gun, so I would assume they removed the 125mm smoothbore and autoloader and replaced it with a British 105mm main gun for which they would need a manual loader... ie human loader.
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    Post  Zivo on Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:09 am

    GarryB wrote:Read further down the page describing the "upgrade" and you will see it is fitted with a 105mm rifled gun, so I would assume they removed the 125mm smoothbore and autoloader and replaced it with a British 105mm main gun for which they would need a manual loader... ie human loader.

    It has nothing to do with the T-72. It's an Iranian upgrade for the T-55.

    The "T-72Z"

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:28 am

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    The data provided in this brochure doesn't match the image of the tank, and the image of the tank is flipped horizontally, by the way.


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:57 am

    GarryB wrote:Read further down the page describing the "upgrade" and you will see it is fitted with a 105mm rifled gun, so I would assume they removed the 125mm smoothbore and autoloader and replaced it with a British 105mm main gun for which they would need a manual loader... ie human loader.

    For reasons that I have discussed elsewhere on this forum, there is no practical way of modifying a T-72 turret for use with a human loader.

    The autoloader is an integral subsystem that allows for the turret's small size and low profile, which in turn provide for T-72's extremely high armor areal mass density in comparison to weakly armored tanks like, for example, Abrams.

    Let me reemphasize a related matter:

    Autoloader in a tank is to provide for strong armor protection.

    Autoloader of an artillery piece is to provide for high rate of fire.


    Also, you just assumed the brochure was correct.

    It's a mistake to think that a company knows about "their own" product. That's like thinking that, for example, Lockheed Martin knows about F-22.


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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:08 am

    GarryB wrote:Read further down the page describing the "upgrade" and you will see it is fitted with a 105mm rifled gun, so I would assume they removed the 125mm smoothbore and autoloader and replaced it with a British 105mm main gun for which they would need a manual loader... ie human loader.
    that doesnt make sense at all then- where does the loader sit in the turret? either side of the gun is occupied by the gunner and commander, and the center space has to be unoccupied for the gun or its gonna puree his guts everytime it fires and recoils backwards. not to mention the gunner and commander are now 400mm lower from position when handling the controls.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:12 am

    Zivo wrote:

    It has nothing to do with the T-72. It's an Iranian upgrade for the T-55.

    The "T-72Z"
    hmm, makes better sense that this is what it really looks like, maybe the Z suffix means going one gen backward tongue . then we could have M1AZ which is actually some M60 clone Razz

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