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    GarryB

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    Re: Algeria People's National Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:53 am

    the often have frames inside where seats are stacked above seats so you can fit people in "layers".

    As with most transport planes there are two issues of weight and volume... when moving people the issue is never weight... the limit is usually volume... and a stand type structure means you can fit more on board.


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    Re: Algeria People's National Armed Forces

    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:27 am

    eridan wrote:How does one even cram 257 people inside an il-76? I remember the talk of an Iranian crash some years earlier, where their il-76 was carrying 275 people. Again - how are those numbers even possible? Looking at the cabin dimensions and available images of seating arrangement in il-76 and similar transport planes - the only way those figures are achievable is if people were literally sitting on the floor, shoulder to shoulder, crammed to the fullest.

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    Re: Algeria People's National Armed Forces

    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:57 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eridan wrote:How does one even cram 257 people inside an il-76? I remember the talk of an Iranian crash some years earlier, where their il-76 was carrying 275 people. Again - how are those numbers even possible? Looking at the cabin dimensions and available images of seating arrangement in il-76 and similar transport planes - the only way those figures are achievable is if people were literally sitting on the floor, shoulder to shoulder, crammed to the fullest.

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    The number of passenger in the il-76 could be up to somthing like 250 for some version if I'm not wrong. In terms of weight for a cargo plane it's nothing.
    It is something like 25 tones if we count 100 kg for each passenger with bagages.
    Max load is almost 50 tones.

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    Re: Algeria People's National Armed Forces

    Post  eridan on Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:16 pm

    Thanks, so the double deck thing that i've always read about but never saw image of until now is not some special modification but a simple detachable upper floor...

    Anyway, the image suggests its not a full width floor? but a centerline seating area, with people facing each other in two rows? Would then the main floor be equipped with seats, 6 in a row? That gives some 150 passengers on the main floor and some 90 or so seating on the upper floor. Should be just enough for 247 passengers (and 10 crewmembers being seated in other places)
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    Re: Algeria People's National Armed Forces

    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:48 pm

    eridan wrote:Thanks, so the double deck thing that i've always read about but never saw image of until now is not some special modification but a simple detachable upper floor...

    Anyway, the image suggests its not a full width floor? but a centerline seating area, with people facing each other in two rows? Would then the main floor be equipped with seats, 6 in a row?  That gives some 150 passengers on the main floor and some 90 or so seating on the upper floor. Should be just enough for 247 passengers (and 10 crewmembers being seated in other places)

    Yeah, something like that. I once long ago saw one different double deck that was flat, for lighter cargo, believe or not it was stacked with chicken cages... to transport live chickens...
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    Re: Algeria People's National Armed Forces

    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:43 pm

    https://www.menadefense.net/algerie/le-missile-rbs-15-est-il-compromis/

    It seems that the rbs-15 anti-ship missile was compromized and Algeria may not equip its new MEKO frigates with it. Someone in the military archives of Sweden had let a guy take hundreds of pictures of the caracteristics of the missile and he published it on a russian forum.

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