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    Post  Pinto on Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:29 am

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/light-combat-aircraft-to-get-radar-us-israeli-and-european-companies-to-bid-for-tender/articleshow/55954104.cms


    NEW DELHI: India is set to initiate a major international competition to acquire new age radars for its indigenous combat planes in the coming weeks, the winner of which is likely to gain a strong foothold for future domestic projects.

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    Sources have told ET that an expression of interest for a new set of AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk 1A is set to be floated shortly, with top global aviation firms expected to participate. The government had recently cleared an order for 83 of the LCA Mk 1A jets.


    The competition would be the largest international contract for AESA radars that are the heart of modern combat jets. These new radars give much more range and engagement potential to fighters, enabling them to engage targets from a distance without getting detected. AESA radars can track and direct weapons to multiple air and ground targets simultaneously.


    With India working on an indigenous next generation plane under the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), it is likely that the winning company will have a much larger order book, with the potential number going upwards of 200.


    The first Indian Air Force aircraft with AESA radars will be the Jaguar fighter that is being upgraded to the DARIN 3 version. The first Jaguar with the new radar is expected to fly in January. The contract to equip 58 Jaguars with AESA radars had gone to Israel’s ELTA, making it the frontrunner for the LCA Mk 1A project as well.
    There could, however, also be surprise entries into the Indian competition from the US, with Raytheon, which manufactures the AESA radar for the F/A 18 Super Hornet and the F 16 also showing interest.

    While in the past, US firms had limited options to offer to New Delhi, with India now gaining Major Defence Partner status, transfer of sensitive technology and licences have been made easier.
    The integration of an AESA radar was a key parameter for the Air Force to clear the order for 83 LCA Mk 1A fighters, after years of blocking the indigenous fighter on concerns that it would not be combat worthy.


    The AESA will give the LCA an edge over similar fighter operating in the region that are equipped with conventional radars.


    The LCA project took a minor hit earlier this month when Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba announced that the naval version of the fighter is not suitable for aircraft carrier operations, necessitating an international competition for a new range of combat aircraft.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:16 pm

    08 February, 2017 SOURCE: Flightglobal.com BY: Arie Egozi Tel Aviv

    Rafael is stepping up its efforts to provide systems for the Indian air force’s Hindustan Aeronautics-built Tejas light combat aircraft, with its current emphasis on offering air-to-air missiles and a targeting pod.

    Yuval Miller, executive vice-president and head of Rafael’s Air and C4I Systems division, tells FlightGlobal that the wide co-operation with Indian companies enables it to offer systems which would bring the Tejas to a “4.5-generation” standard. It already has established joint ventures with Astra Microwave, Bharat Forge and Reliance Defence covering the transfer of technology and the establishment of local production sites, in compliance with New Delhi’s “Make In India” policy.

    Miller says the Indian air force is evaluating the Israeli company’s Python 5 and 54nm (100km)-range I-Derby ER air-to-air missiles for the Tejas, while it is also promoting its Litening 5 targeting pod and BNET secure radio.

    Rafael will also supply systems for the Indian air force’s future fleet of 36 Dassault Rafales, acting as a subcontractor to Dassault, Miller says. This will include Spice 250 and Spice 1000 precision-guided bombs to be used by both the French-built type and the Tejas, he adds.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:21 am

    Unmanned?? version of Tejas fighter is in development

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2503447.html
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:25 am

    Sounds like a great idea... a UCAV.

    Imagine hundreds of Su-30MKIs flying at medium altitude picking up all sorts of enemy cruise missiles and enemy fighters... send up hundreds of Tegas drones with R-77s and R-73s to engage... they can launch all their missiles at targets as they get within range and then head back to land and refuel and rearm.... if one gets shot down it is not so big a deal. No pilot to rescue and if enemy fighters attack the Su-30MKIs are all fully armed and ready for them.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:26 pm

    George1 wrote:Unmanned?? version of Tejas fighter is in development

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2503447.html

    They should first sort out issues they have with Tejas as platform in general, and there are more than...well... few dozen major issues.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:16 am

    HAL Tejas production plan

     According to the Indian edition of "Business Standard" in the article "Tejas fighter finally achieves production target", despite all the difficulties in mastering the production of the Indian national fighter Tejas, the Indian state aircraft company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) announced that in 2017 it Will build eight fighters of this type. Production will expand, and in 2018 and 2019 will be produced for 10 fighters, and starting in 2020, the annual production rate should be 16 Tejas. To do this, HAL will need a second production line.


      Earlier, it took 19 months to produce one Tejas HAL, but this figure was reduced to 11 months now and by September it will be reduced to nine months.

    More detailed production plans are presented in the table attached to the publication.
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    , recall that, having received the contract of the Ministry of Defense of India for the production of the first 40 serial fighters Tejas Mk 1 (later reconfigured into 20 Mk 1 and 20 modified Mk 1A) in 2005, HAL surrendered the first serial fighter Mk 1 (SP-1 ) Only in early 2015, the second aircraft (SP-2) was able to finish in 2015 and be delivered in 2016, and the third (SP-3) - to be completed in 2016 and delivered in early 2017. Thus, by March 2017, the Indian Air Force received only three serial fighters Tejas Mk 1.

     In 2017, only two Tejas Mk 1-SP-4 (the first flight on March 3, 2017) and SP-6 (the first flight on June 30) were lifted into the air by HAL.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2803776.html
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:18 pm

    Oh dear........

    Listed a number of deficiencies external link found with the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) as part of efforts to argue for sourcing foreign-made fighter aircraft rather than increasing orders of the indigenous Tejas. Assessments made by the service and presented to government found that when compared to foreign-made fighter aircraft such as Saab’s JAS-39 Gripen and Lockheed Martin’s F-16, the Tejas posted poorer airborne endurance—59 minutes compared to two hours—and could carry less payload—three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively. Maintenance requirements were also greater on the Tejas with 20 hours of serving needed for every hour of flying against six hours for the Gripen and 3.5 hours for the F-16. The Tejas’ service life is also half that of the 40 years found in both the Gripen and F-16. While 123 Tejas fighters have been ordered for the IAF, only four have been delivered, and the IAF desperately needs additional single-engine fighter aircraft to fill a 42 fighter squadron requirement to fight a two-front war. Retirements of ageing MiG-21 aircraft is making the issue worse, with a further 11 of 33 available squadrons due for retirement over the next two years.

    https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/india-lca-tejas-by-2010-but-foreign-help-sought-with-engine-01901/?utm_medium=textlink&utm_term=continuereading
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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:57 am

    Testing of the deck version of the Tejas fighter was resumed in India





    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3292932.html
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:44 pm

    They can make it a good fighter but when it costs as much as Su-35 you really have to question what is the point.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:00 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:They can make it a good fighter but when it costs as much as Su-35 you really have to question what is the point.  

    i think the only reason is that they probably want to reduce dependency on exports and develop local defense industry
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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:05 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:They can make it a good fighter but when it costs as much as Su-35 you really have to question what is the point.  

    Their Arjun tank was better in tests than T-90 on some points but yet they orderd like another 1000 t-90.

    India is not ready at all to have a real military industry. Their indian-produced AD system that I forgot the name is a failure. Tejas is a failure. Arjun is a failure.

    They even have a home-made frigate bigger and better armed than Grigorovich and they still ordered Grigorovich to russian.
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    Post  medo on Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:20 am

    Problem is, that India doesn't produce anything of their own. Arjun tank is Leopard 2 tank with israeli FCS and they got average tank, worse than original Leopard 2. For Tejas only the body is Indian made, everything else is imported from US, UK, Israel and France. Tejas is very vulnerable on sanctions. Their home made frigates are again only hulls made in India, everything else is imported. Engines, electronicks, armament.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:51 pm

    Same as Tejas. Nothing is Indian aside from maybe airframe. Nothing Wong with that just the price is ridiculous vs performance. Costs more than Su-35 while having nowhere near it's performance
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:06 pm

    When they canceled the MMRCA and ordered the 36 Rafale I figured they were doing it to use the rest of the money to fund the purchase of Tejas.  But now it seems the cost spiral has gone so high they then floated another MMRCA tender for 110 aircraft that is competing with Rafale and Gripen as the two likely candidates.  They do not have enough money to pay for this and hundreds of Tejas.  They also desperately need the Super 30 upgrade for their MKI which will not be cheap.  The money that was being allocated for FGFA does not seem to even exist given their low procurement budget eaten away by high pension costs. India desperately needs to increase its defence budget if they are going to make the required squadron numbers.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:38 pm

    Ah yes, the MMRCA, a complete show of desperation by India, with their obsession for Rafales.
    A sad attempted to get France to drop the price, but instead got the price raised instead, but at least they succeeded in getting their Mirages upgraded, despite that the price for this still way overshot the MMRCA's budget.
    And now they still need new fighters to replace the Mig-21s.

    It was a complete mess all around.
    If there is another MMRCA it's probly gonna go badly as well.

    Now where's Pinto, he should be able to clarify the current situation.
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    Post  medo on Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:05 pm

    India also went into buying all available spare part for Jaguars around the world from states, which retire Jaguars. This is a problem for India as no new spare parts for jaguars are available, only old used ones from retired planes. How long ago should MiG-21 jets be retired and they still have to fly? India is loosing time and waisting money and at the end they will have neither money neither air force. They are more and more behind China. Only a big number of Su-30MKI is saving India now, because they are cheap planes.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:16 pm

    Actually the Modi government got a reduced price and 14 enhancements over the NDA government's attempt to acquire the Rafale. Rahul Gandhi was made a complete fool by India Today expose on the matter.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/programme/5ive-live/video/india-today-s-expose-on-rafale-dogfight-crucial-documents-bust-congress-s-claims-1296053-2018-07-25

    France gifted to India all of its Jaguar's to smooth negotiations making Rahul look like an even bigger fool.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:20 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Actually the Modi government got a reduced price and 14 enhancements over the NDA government's attempt to acquire the Rafale.  Rahul Gandhi was made a complete fool by India Today expose on the matter.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/programme/5ive-live/video/india-today-s-expose-on-rafale-dogfight-crucial-documents-bust-congress-s-claims-1296053-2018-07-25

    France gifted to India all of its Jaguar's to smooth negotiations making Rahul look like an even bigger fool.

    Seeing that my wife is Indian from India, she will tell you India today is a total joke.

    Please try not to take it as facts.  India was told it would be roughly $100M per aircraft, ended up as $140M~ per aircraft.

    Zee News and ATN is really one of the few worth reading in terms of journalism in India.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:03 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Actually the Modi government got a reduced price and 14 enhancements over the NDA government's attempt to acquire the Rafale.  Rahul Gandhi was made a complete fool by India Today expose on the matter.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/programme/5ive-live/video/india-today-s-expose-on-rafale-dogfight-crucial-documents-bust-congress-s-claims-1296053-2018-07-25

    France gifted to India all of its Jaguar's to smooth negotiations making Rahul look like an even bigger fool.

    Let's see,1 crore Rupees = 10 000 000 Rupees, so 10mill (INR) =~$146.000, so 59 x 146000 =~$8.6mill
    Cost of Rafale-B Two seater is $74mill (2013) x 36 = $2.6Bill ???

    Now let's use the per unit price that they state (let's assume this price includes parts, weapons and technical assistance throughout it's service life) which is 1646 crores = ~$240mill per unit.

    Now 240/74 = 3.2, so more than triple the price. study

    So what was the Russian offer again?
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:22 pm

    India knows how to waste money and time.

    The tejas was supposed to be cheaper than export aircraft but in fact it isn't.  And they stated a in a report that they eventually want to get to 59% of tejas made with Indian parts. And they ordered 83 tejas 1A @ $ 55.7mn each that's a lot for such a aircraft. would have been cheaper and quicker getting knock down kits with little Indian mods added getting aircraft like mig-29m or 35. They would also get a better aircraft. 

    The same goes for their light helicopter programs. They are slow to produce and in fact so slow to replace their lightest helicopters that they ended up buying rights for ka-226 which was the right thing to do. Their other light helicopters haven't seen much progress either and cost more than similar helicopters. Yet again they could have bought rights to ansat and then develop their own ansat 2RC for their light attack helicopters instead of spending more than $20+ per heli for something that looks like an airfix model.  waste of money 2RC was expected to cost $6-12mn depending on defensive systems. They could mount the nag  (helina) missile on it job done exactly what they wanted. but even nag has had long delays surprise surprise lol. 

    Their armoured 4x4 vehicle yet again Russia has numerous options for thrm to buy productionrights of. scorpion, typhoon 4x4, tigr-M, bpm-97, vodnik etc. 

    through production rights projects and knock down kits and joint projects will allow India to develop its defence industry instead of this mess it currently does. 

    They seemed happy to buy rights for bmp-2 and that worked out well for them and used the chassis for multiple platforms/variants. They started their IFV program back in the 90's and managed to get a few prototypes built around mid 2000's but still nothing in full production that's bad very bad. what's the insane part is its going to cost $10+ billion Russia offered them full tech transfer for bmp-3 and they refused. And there new vehicle has parts bought from abroad so it's not a fully 100% homegrown. They could have bought production rights for bmp-3 and put whatever they wanted on it change the gun if they wanted and replace all current ifv in service and still have money leftover from $10 billion. absolutely madness and abuse of tax payers money.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:16 am

    India should do what Russia did... if you don't have a technology that you feel you need... get a licence to produce it yourself and use that as a learning experience to get people in the industry in the know... and build from there.

    I am obviously biased, but in my view they need to basically joint develop a light 5th gen fighter plane, but emphasis should not be on making it a super plane with long range and long endurance and heavy payload... that is what bigger aircraft are for... these planes are replacing MiG-21s and Jaguars and MiG-27s so there is really no need to make them into Junior Flankers...

    As I said I am biased... for the medium aircraft, MiG-35s, and for light fighters something along the lines of a single engined MiG-35... perhaps able to carry 8 R-77s and two R-73s, or perhaps two R-73s and 4 x 500kg bombs.

    Give it a good radar and a good self defence suite including DIRCMS.

    Get the price to maybe 20-30 million per aircraft and make hundreds of them...
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:28 pm

    GarryB wrote:India should do what Russia did... if you don't have a technology that you feel you need... get a licence to produce it yourself and use that as a learning experience to get people in the industry in the know... and build from there.

    I am obviously biased, but in my view they need to basically joint develop a light 5th gen fighter plane, but emphasis should not be on making it a super plane with long range and long endurance and heavy payload... that is what bigger aircraft are for... these planes are replacing MiG-21s and Jaguars and MiG-27s so there is really no need to make them into Junior Flankers...

    As I said I am biased... for the medium aircraft, MiG-35s, and for light fighters something along the lines of a single engined MiG-35... perhaps able to carry 8 R-77s and two R-73s, or perhaps two R-73s and 4 x 500kg bombs.

    Give it a good radar and a good self defence suite including DIRCMS.

    Get the price to maybe 20-30 million per aircraft and make hundreds of them...
    As I said joint projects or production rights and India would gain expertise and maintenance would be done by their own guys. minor upgrades done by their owns guys and they would save loads of cash. your right no need for them to spends time and money designing and testing airframes etc use mig 29/35 and single engine or even the yak-130 and upgrade engines or replace to bring up to around mach 1.2-1.5 and ur sorted. yak-130 I would imagine be the same size as the tejas and they could also design their own trainers from the yak-130 to cover other aircraft.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:25 am

    The problem of Indian military contracts is that one Russian has to be balanced by one Western. SuMKI with France equipments and Rafale buy. T-90S with Western-type Arjun. And Kamov with Chinook.

    Russian weaponry will be the building block for Indian Armed Forces, while Western one are purely money-laundering and political. Dirty money is the only explanation for case when India went full retard and bought Hybrid Biho, or the case of Jaitapur which is never to be materialized. Resistance from pro-West factions is an issue that India has to overcome.

    For Tejas, forgive my rudeness but it is a stupid design. Europe deltawing provide high maxspeed but poor AoA, and is never a good design for fighters to begin with.

    Self production, diversify of supplies... all are lame excuses that pro-West factions used when they want to get dirty money from contracts with the West.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:52 am

    higurashihougi wrote:The problem of Indian military contracts is that one Russian has to be balanced by one Western. SuMKI with France equipments and Rafale buy. T-90S with Western-type Arjun. And Kamov with Chinook.

    Russian weaponry will be the building block for Indian Armed Forces, while Western one are purely money-laundering and political. Dirty money is the only explanation for case when India went full retard and bought Hybrid Biho, or the case of Jaitapur which is never to be materialized. Resistance from pro-West factions is an issue that India has to overcome.

    For Tejas, forgive my rudeness but it is a stupid design. Europe deltawing provide high maxspeed but poor AoA, and is never a good design for fighters to begin with.

    Self production, diversify of supplies... all are lame excuses that pro-West factions used when they want to get dirty money from contracts with the West.

    Indians worship the floor the Brits and Americans walk on. I mean, look at Austin. All he does is post articles about what US is going to do to Russia and all bad stuff will happen to Russia because what US will do to it economically. I mean, it all ended up as horseshit in the end every other time and Russia continues to grow, but Austin just keeps going. Why? Because he is Indian and Indians just suck up to whatever Americans do. They see them as God's almost. Recall the Indians worshipping Trump?

    It's pathetic.  Beautiful country but with such a huge history of being nothing more than slaves of the Brits or Muslims for so long, they have zero pride and zero capabilities of showing a spine of any kind.

    And this will go on forever. I had the wonderful conversation with a Hindu Indian whom is a professor for a university here, and he pointed all this out to me, so it isn't entirely my words, but I sure do see it even with members of this forum. Or go to any other forum. Or hell, go to a comment section on any Indian news article.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:41 pm

    I think you are being a bit hard on Austin... I think it is more a case that he reads articles that sound plausible and he wants to test their validity... so he throws them to us dogs and sees how quickly we rip them to shreds.

    Most of it is cheap and thin and gets shredded immediately.

    You will note he might post a lot of crap, but it is not crap he has written, and what you don't see him do is try to defend any bullshit... he is not trying to flood this forum with BS, he is using us as a BS filter to work out what is crap and what might have some substance, but is slanted to give the wrong impression.

    And why not... If I heard an offer that sounded too good to be true... like a pill to make my penis bigger, I would go to a website with medical professionals and post it there and see what they think of it. They might be wrong or they might be right, but I will listen to their opinions and reasoning and then make up my own mind... Aw who am I kidding... I don't need to get any bigger in any way... my bathroom scales hate me already... 125kgs is a bit big...

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