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    Looming Race War Threat in South Africa

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:47 pm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351339/Mandelas-passing-looming-threat-race-war-South-Africas-whites-widow-mourns-latest-murdered-white-farmer-chilling-dispatch-nation-holding-breath.html

    "A bogeyman to white South Africans, Malema is popular among young blacks, and has also been an enthusiastic singer of Kill The Boer and another song called Bring Me My Machine-Gun.
    Polls this week showed a huge surge in support among young black South Africans for his policies, which he says will ignore reconciliation, and fight for social justice in an ‘onslaught against [the] white male monopoly’.
    With chilling echoes of neighbouring Zimbabwe, where dictator Robert Mugabe launched a murderous campaign to drive white farmers off the land in 2000, Malema wants all white-owned land to be seized without compensation, along with nationalisation of the country’s lucrative mines.
    Ominously, Malema, 32, who wears a trademark beret and has a fondness for Rolex watches, this month promised his new party will take the land from white people without recompense and give it to blacks.
    ‘We need the land that was taken from our people, and we are not going to pay for it,’ he said. ‘We need a party that will say those who were victims of apartheid stand to benefit unashamedly, and those who perpetuated apartheid must show remorse and behave in a manner that says they regret their conduct.’ "




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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:07 pm

    South Africa sounds like a god-forsaken shithole from all that I heard about it.
    Superpower of Africa my ass.

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:13 pm

    ‘You don’t attack farms and rape 80-year-old women with broken bottles and kill their husbands for a mobile phone,’ Marike says. ‘People say it’s not genocide — but it is.’

    Absolutely horrifying.



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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  NationalRus on Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:54 pm

    savage country with savage people, the afrikaans build the country to the most prosperous country in africa from scratch, bleeded against the british trime after time, and now a bunch of incompetent negros are burning it like nero

    the afrikaans should get ther own small state in SA, till that happens a world wide trade embargo sould be put on them like in the old days

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:56 pm

    RE5....

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:49 pm

    NationalRus wrote:savage country with savage people, the afrikaans build the country to the most prosperous country in africa from scratch, bleeded against the british trime after time, and now a bunch of incompetent negros are burning it like nero  

    the afrikaans should get ther own small state in SA, till that happens a world wide trade embargo sould be put on them like in the old days
    Why do you think the Negros are incompetent?

    Let's not make angels of the Afrikkaners. Their history is pretty disgusting.

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  As Sa'iqa on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:56 pm

    By incompetent he meant unable to manage their own country in a way that would make it prosperous. Maybe they're unwilling to or maybe simply to dumb...

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:29 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:By incompetent he meant unable to manage their own country in a way that would make it prosperous. Maybe they're unwilling to or maybe simply to dumb...
    Like I said, you can't ignore the history of South Africa before Apartheid ended and go "Oh wow the Blacks are dumb!".

    Dumb Russians half destroyed their country post USSR, they ain't black either Wink .

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:36 am

    When a victim of incest burns down the family home in anger and frustration over what has been done to them, do you criticise them for not managing as well as they did when daddy was in charge?

    There were plenty of resources in South Africa that the whites in power exploited for their own gain and by not spreading it around to the non whites sowed the seeds for the collapse of their own country.

    The whites made no effort to integrate the blacks into their white society... part of their bigotry... is it a shock that many blacks don't want the whites there at all and are jealous of the things the whites have when they go without?

    The blacks not only put up with a lot of sht for decades of apartheid, they pretty much let the entire white population keep the wealth they had accumulated on the backs of the blacks. They payback for them was peace and to retain a modern society and not to destroy what had been made.

    The real problem is that the whites now live in gated communities that separate them from the rest of the population... a population with no jobs and no prospects of seeing the world from a comfortable position... so of course they are going to pick off the easy targets in outlying farms... it has been tradition there for millions of years... lions don't try to take down the biggest elephant... they look for the old, the sick and the very young.

    Mother Nature.

    Really there can only be a few likely outcomes... one is they get serious about improving the standard of living for everyone and education and healthcare and training so everyone is on a level playing field when it comes to jobs and resources etc. the other I can see is continuation of the current setup with eventually some trigger like the death of Nelson Mandella leading to a short but very bloody civil war... a rapid exodus of wealth and white people from the country (those that haven't already left) and the dispossession of land and wealth from those that remain... who knows what will result then...


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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:23 am

    Why do you think the Negros are incompetent? wrote:
    ther are in SA, what did they actaully done for ther country? did they fought till the bitter end to defend it against the brits? did they builded up and engendered a modern economic state? did they even founded it? the boars didt colonise a existing state but were actaully the ones wo founded it and fought for it, you can good claim that it is a historical partly white state founded and build by the dutch hundrets of years ago, just like USA and Russia, and ther racial dispute in the past is not much diffrent then that of the hutus and tutsis in rwanda, only not by far so bloddy becouse the afrikaans are not even a inch less south african then the black south africans

    they were basicly handed a full functional modern ship, and they just decided to sail with it on the next rock, just like rhodesia, "here you go a fully functional modern state in africa, with a build infrustrcture etc" "thanks now let me shot you while i burn it down"

    pathetic people in a now pathetic country

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:43 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    ther are in SA, what did they actaully done for ther country?  did they fought till the bitter end to defend it against the brits? did they builded up and engendered a modern economic state? did they even founded it? the boars didt colonise a existing state but were actaully the ones wo founded it and fought for it, you can good claim that it is a historical partly white state founded and build by the dutch hundrets of years ago, just like USA and Russia, and ther racial dispute in the past is not much diffrent then that of the hutus and tutsis in rwanda, only not by far so bloddy becouse the afrikaans are not even a inch less south african then the black south africans

    they were basicly handed a full functional modern ship, and they just decided to sail with it on the next rock, just like rhodesia, "here you go a fully functional modern state in africa, with a build infrustrcture etc" "thanks now let me shot you while i burn it down"

    pathetic people in a now pathetic country
    The problem was that it was a historic white state, built on historic black land.

    Now that would have been fine if they gave the ol' Native American or Australian Aboriginal treatment to the natives there. But they didn't; there were too many of them in comparison to the white settlers and in any case they needed them for labour and to sustain their own livelyhood and economy.

    So now we get the situation that we get.

    The current crimes against whites there are quite abhorent; I would hasten to add that racial hatred may only be an excuse in this case; mostly it's just criminal activity in a lawless country or one where large sections of its territory are lawless. There are women being gang-raped in the public there; and these women aren't white for the most part, but black. Similarly the amount of murders, thievery, etc... it's mostly black-on-black.

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  macedonian on Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:05 pm

    NationalRus wrote:savage country with savage people, the afrikaans build the country to the most prosperous country in africa from scratch, bleeded against the british trime after time, and now a bunch of incompetent negros are burning it like nero  

    the afrikaans should get ther own small state in SA, till that happens a world wide trade embargo sould be put on them like in the old days
    Really?!
    So how does Yeltsin rate on your competence scale?! Or your whiteness scale for that matter..?
    I'd say the man was as incompetent as they come, wouldn't you?
    Is he a closet black?!
    Very Happy

    As Sa'iqa wrote:By incompetent he meant unable to manage their own country in a way that would make it prosperous. Maybe they're unwilling to or maybe simply to dumb...
    You seem to know well about how and what other people think...tell me: How do I feel about the Polish government? (hint: wankers)
    And how do I feel about Polish people?! (hint: nice people, have worked with many of them, and am a close friend with them to this day, we keep in touch after a decade and we visit each other...)

    Actually, PLEASE TELL ME how I feel about the Macedonian government?! (first hint applies here as well).
    Are that lot black as well?! I mean they DO seem odd, and I'm certain their moral compasses only point black, but they all seem to be pale-skinned...

    Waiting for you two geniuses (genii) opinions.
    Enlighten me.

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:29 pm

    Really?! So how does Yeltsin rate on your competence scale?! Or your whiteness scale for that matter..? I'd say the man was as incompetent as they come, wouldn't you? Is he a closet black?! wrote:
    what? you didnt got it right? Neutral 

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  macedonian on Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:39 pm

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    what? you didnt got it right? Neutral 
    *you didn't get it right

    And no I haven't, so please explain more so that (hopefully) I DO get it right.

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:23 pm

    Racial discrimination aside; there are clear differences between social-economic, educational, crime, etc... levels between the whites and blacks in SA, just as you can find such differences in many countries between different ethnic groups.
    In South Africa's case it's to a large part a result of apartheid; and just the fact that the whites always had access to privileges, businesses, education, etc... while what was left over was thrown to the far more numerous blacks as a sort of bone to fight over.

    It's also clear that management of the country has gotten a lot worse (excepting apartheid policies naturally); just as it did for example in just about every newly independent colony that fought off colonial rule in the 2nd half of the 20th century.
    Does that mean that those countries shouldn't have fought for or insisted on independence? That they should have kept the exploitation of their natural resources, discriminatory policies biased in favour of white settlers, and inability to rule their land according to strictly their own interests - in return for good management courtesy of the political elites of the European empires and relative stability they offered?

    When India gained independence it rapidly descended into a huge orgy of ethnic cleansing not seen in the world since, and dismemberment into a number of different countries. Many of the conflicts that were kept a lid on by the British, such as Sri Lanka or Kashmir - are more troublesome today than they ever were in the days of the empire.
    But that's the price of freedom; the grievances of these different peoples were only kept in check in the first place because the British established favourites and ruling classes amongst them; these very same conflicts were a result of British rule, not just kept in check by it. Or in other cases everyone was simply commonly unhappy with British rule and thus had cause to unite while under it.

    The closest analogy of South Africa is probably the Bolshevik take over in Russia, 1917. Where the overwhelming mass of illiterate peasents and barely educated urban working-class and military conscripts took power from their own country's upper classes.
    The whole country ended up in a civil war for several years, crime was very commonplace for years after, and a lot of unneccessery terror, bloodshed, economic mismanagement, famine, etc... happened simply because those very same people who revolted - had no idea how to run a country.

    South Africa is now being ruled by more of its population than ever before and that's a good thing, whatever the difficulties encountered in the process.

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  NationalRus on Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:10 am

    macedonian wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    what? you didnt got it right? Neutral 
    *you didn't get it right

    And no I haven't, so please explain more so that (hopefully) I DO get it right.
    hopefully, you said it like being white is a general mather for succes, while i only said negros to describe who they are and which group did fucked up a great country and not becouse ther negros

    now focus your brain better

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  macedonian on Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:11 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    macedonian wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    what? you didnt got it right? Neutral 
    *you didn't get it right

    And no I haven't, so please explain more so that (hopefully) I DO get it right.
    hopefully, you said it like being white is a general mather for succes, while i only said negros to describe who they are and which group did fucked up a great country and not becouse ther negros

    now focus your brain better
    Sorry, I mistook you for someone with whom it's possible to have an actual conversation.
    As things stand, obviously your opinion doesn't merit an answer.

    On a side note, I honestly hope more of the Russian intelligentsia joins this forum...and not...well...the likes of you.

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    South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  Book. on Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:55 pm

    SA Navy needs more than three offshore and three inshore patrol vessels - expert
    Written by Guy Martin, Friday, 19 June 2015

    Although a welcome boost to the South African Navy and local shipbuilding industry, the six new inshore and offshore patrol vessels being acquired under project Biro have been criticised as being too few, with an expert suggesting at least eight offshore patrol vessels are needed to adequately patrol South Africa’s waters.

    Defence analyst and former Defence Review committee member Helmoed Romer Heitman has suggested that three offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) are too few. “They are relatively small ships and will be limited in their ability to conduct patrols far from home without either a base or a local support arrangement, or a support ship in company. But they will be a very useful complement to the frigates,” he stated.

    However, when it comes to the inshore patrol vessels (IPVs), Heitman is of the opinion that “the three 60 m IPVs now envisaged as part of Biro are an embarrassing misstep by the Navy and will be an entirely pointless expenditure,” because, “at 60 m they will be too large and complex to be the 'cheap and cheerful' equivalent to the old SDPs, to be used for close inshore work and more importantly to train and develop officers and ratings…At 60 m they will be too small to be really useful (the strike craft were good special operations platforms, but had the speed and the self-defence capability these vessels will lack.

    “The Navy's experience with the strike craft demonstrated that 60 m is precisely the wrong hull length for SA waters: Shorter and the ride is lively but dry; longer and the ride is more comfortable and dry. At 60 m it is uncomfortable and wet, with real risk of damage in rough seas. Remember how many of the strike craft found themselves inadvertently doing a submarine crash dive imitation in rough seas.

    “What we should be doing is increasing the OPV buy to at least four now, with a target - as per all of the previous studies - of twelve. Study of the DR [2014 Defence Review] will show that the absolute minimum number will be eight, accepting some gaps and some tasks falling to the frigates,” Heitman stated.

    He suggests that the South African Navy should re-role the three refitted strike craft (and possibly a fourth) for the fast inshore patrol role as they will be able to do what the new IPVs will be able to do and will cost much less to bring to a standard for that role.

    Heitman goes on to suggest that the IPV requirement should be revisited to develop a vessel of somewhere around 30 to 40 m, “which will be cheap and simple and good enough for patrolling port environs - and ideal for training.”

    More here:
    http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39577:sa-navy-needs-more-than-three-offshore-and-three-inshore-patrol-vessels-expert&catid=108:maritime-security&Itemid=233

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  Book. on Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:57 pm

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  Book. on Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:10 pm

    SA troops in Sudan feared the worst
    2015-06-17 08:38
    Pretoria - More than 800 terrified South African soldiers in Sudan feared the worst when their camp was surrounded by Sudanese troops.

    "In order to save lives, we would have to have surrendered if they stormed us. One battalion of soldiers without proper weapons could not fight against an entire country's army," a South African soldier told Netwerk24.

    Netwerk24 reported on Tuesday that South African peacekeepers in North Darfur were effectively held "hostage" by members of the Sudanese army while the drama around Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir's possible arrest during the African Union summit in Johannesburg escalated. The High Court in Pretoria ordered that Al-Bashir be detained.

    It is believed that Al-Bashir was possibly allowed to leave South Africa amid fears of violence against the South African peacekeepers.

    "They [the South African troops] would have been overwhelmed. If South Africa had arrested Al-Bashir, they would have been prisoners of war," a friend of a soldier told Netwerk24.

    Meanwhile, soldiers, family members and friends of the soldiers serving in Sudan have contradicted the military's "categorical denial" that there was a hostage situation, recounting stories of their loved ones' fears while in the war-torn country.

    The army said the "increased military traffic" in Darfur was part of the Sudanese government's preparations for the Ramadan religious celebrations.

    Head of joint operations, Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi, said the situation had "normalised" and the mobilisation of Sudanese soldiers near the South African base in Khartoum was not aimed at the base.

    But a soldier said: "We were so scared - we were surrounded by soldiers. We handed out extra ammunition to everyone in case it was needed."

    The deployment apparently began shortly before the weekend, when Al-Bashir left for the AU summit in South Africa.

    A friend of a soldier at the base said that they were surrounded by about 500 heavily-armed Sudanese soldiers in Hilux bakkies at about 10:00 on Monday. Al-Bashir's jet took off from Waterkloof air force base at about midday on Monday.

    While the court bid to have him arrested continued in Pretoria, the South African soldiers were surrounded. They were placed at Level 2 readiness, which means they had to be battle ready and fully armed.

    "They were terrified and overwhelmed. They were basically kept as hostages for the afternoon.

    "They could see an attack was imminent. The [Sudanese] soldiers were about 500 metres from their camp. According to their intelligence something would have happened if Al-Bashir was arrested," the source said.

    One caller to Power FM said a relative who is serving in Sudan said her camp was "surrounded" by Sudanese soldiers. Another soldier confirmed that they were placed at Level 2 readiness when vehicles approached the base.

    "I am so grateful South Africa did not arrest Al-Bashir. Our commander said after Al-Bashir arrived safely in the country, the soldiers withdrew," a message sent by a soldier in Darfur to his colleagues in South Africa read.

    According to Netwerk24, approximately 800 South African soldiers are serving in Darfur as part of Unamid, a combined UN and AU peacekeeping force. The current group of soldiers are from 8 Infantry Battalion in Upington.

    Meanwhile, the UN has denied that the South African soldiers were in a hostage situation, saying they were never in danger. And a Sudanese army official told Bloomberg that they are not in conflict with the South Africans.

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-troops-in-Sudan-feared-the-worst-20150617

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  wilhelm on Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:42 pm

    Thanks Book.

    At least you've upped the quality of the thread from the ill-informed "experts" with their half-assed incorrect historical and social opinions from earlier, all of whom I'd venture have never been near the place, let alone set foot in it.

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  Book. on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:58 pm

    Denel Defence Day Highlights

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    Rheinmetall and Denel hosted a ‘Defence Day’, the second of its kind, from 20-23 April. The week showcased their large portfolio of defence systems, weapons, and the bombs, bullets and pyrotechnics that make up the sharp end of fighting. The integration of local and international defence technology has produced some very interesting results. Making full use of the Denel Overberg Test Range to illustrate the long range and accuracy of the munitions, the Defence Day proved an informative event for the defence professional, whether in or out of uniform.

    A number of images from the event were posted in part 1 of this feature, for this post we are featuring spectacular video footage taken from a variety of cameras and systems at the test range. This includes slow-motion thermal imaging from the range’s specialised tracking systems as well as extremely rare footage from a Rooivalk’s gun camera.

    We would like to thank Denel Overberg Test Range for graciously allowing us to display their footage.

    More: http://www.africandefence.net/denel-defence-day-highlights/



    The Al Tariq guided munition in action at the Overberg Test Range. Although demonstrated live during the Defence Day, this footage is from a different live testing. The use of the South African Air Force Hawk and general flight trajectory of the munition is accurate, however.



    The in-place detonation of a Mokopa air-to-ground missile warhead in order to display the its armour-penetration characteristics.



    The new Badger infantry fighting vehicle, about to enter service with the South African Army, firing its Denel-manufactured GI-30 30mm main cannon. The beginning of the video also shows the Badger in its anti-tank, Ingwe-armed variant.

    So africa small. but big bite ! Cool

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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  Book. on Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:42 am

    Denel Aerostructures ready to support Rooivalk II
    Written by Guy Martin, Friday, 07 August 2015

    More Here: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40204:denel-aerostructures-ready-to-support-rooivalk-ii&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

    Denel Aerostructures is ready and willing to support manufacture of a new Rooivalk, and is currently making drop tanks and small components for the existing fleet of 11 serving in the South African Air Force.

    Theo Kleynhans, CEO of Denel Aerostructures (DAe), told defenceWeb that if South Africa continues to expand its peacekeeping missions in Africa, there may well be a growing role for the Rooivalk which has proven its operational effectiveness in that arena. Kleynhans confirmed that Denel is in discussions with the South African Air Force on the upgrading of the current Rooivalk baseline and the feasibility of a new Rooivalk Mk II development with an export component.

    Kleynhans said that although Denel Aviation is the original equipment manufacturer of the Rooivalk, airframe design and production would typically take place at Denel Aerostructures. Denel is however looking for co-development and co-manufacturing with partner countries to further develop Rooivalk exportability.

    In order to get ready for relaunched production, DAe would modify the existing jigs and use better, newer and more elegant ways to produce the aircraft and would move the blueprint drawings to CATIA software.

    DAe is still producing drop tanks for the Rooivalk and other parts from time to time as needed such as brackets and other components – the company provides on-going Rooivalk engineering support with seven to eight people working on the programme.

    Denel Aerostructures will manufacture ten drop tanks this year on new equipment with production ceasing at around 20. Kleynhans said drop tank production restarted in June last year.

    The Rooivalk drop tank is 3.45 metres long, .64 metres in diameter, and has a fuel capacity of 550 litres. It weighs 51.5 kg empty and 496 kg full. The centre section is made of metal while the nose and tail section and being made from composite materials. Lightening protection was designed into the tank for all weather operation.
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    Re: South Africa: News & Discussion

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:27 pm

    Really digging SA gear in general.

    What they did with the Mi-24 made it the meanest looking of the bunch.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:31 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Really digging SA gear in general.

    What they did with the Mi-24 made it the meanest looking of the bunch.

    Yes, but unfortunatley the company does not do so well and i haven't heared of any exports of Super Hinds besides to Azerbajan. Even their own Rooivalk isn't sold well and was already considered a done project, that is the only news since several years regarding Rooivalks and to be honest it does not sound impressive for an upgrade it necessary needs.

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