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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:43 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:why Russians that we call today Ukrainians were made hostile to their own kind and why rest of slavic nations are indoctrinated to be russophobic to distance themselfs from russians and to believe the West holds them in any good association or light.

    The problem is that Slavs hate each other. Serbs and Croats hate each other. Russians and Ukrainians hate each other. Russians and Poles hate each other. Etc. This hatred leads to wars and lack of economic integration. It is also easy to exploit from outside, as the West does.

    Slavs will remain backwards compared to the West as long as this hatred exists.

    You completley lost some braincells?

    They do not hate each other out of nothing, the hatred is industrialiest by USA and Zionists it is called Divide and Conquer tactic. Poles get told last 120 years they are not slavic but more germanic or whatever, the current slavic countries are occupied by USA with their puppet politicians that are spreading hatred towards russians. There is no hatred between slavic people without this war and fearmongering from the West, this is not natural but indoctrinated hatred, so call it by name and don't spread disinformation.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  chinggis on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:17 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:why Russians that we call today Ukrainians were made hostile to their own kind and why rest of slavic nations are indoctrinated to be russophobic to distance themselfs from russians and to believe the West holds them in any good association or light.

    The problem is that Slavs hate each other. Serbs and Croats hate each other. Russians and Ukrainians hate each other. Russians and Poles hate each other. Etc. This hatred leads to wars and lack of economic integration. It is also easy to exploit from outside, as the West does.

    Slavs will remain backwards compared to the West as long as this hatred exists.

    You are talking something what you do not understand. Croat and Serbs hate each other from Austro-Ungarien times. And that is mostly in Croatia. Reason is very simple, when Serbs flee from Ottoman Turks, Austrian king gave him freedom on one condition(in that time croatian peoples are serfs) they be in army(in that time we can not call it army, but they are armed and on arms when state is need them, they have arms in its homes) from 16 to 60. In Kordun, this is province of Croatia it is a joke about peoples costume: "For women is black, and for men, military uniform." They are like Prussian in Germany. And if you like to know more, you must look on that province in more detail. Ground is very poor, there is no ore for industry, climatic conditions are warm, dry summers, and harsh winters, grass is not favorable for livestock, because there is not enough and so on and on and on..
    Big spark in hate is in WWII, when some of Croatian forces heavily influenced in Nazi ideology start to kill Croatian Serbs. And there is some villages who tray to save them, there is some villages who try to kill them. We must be honest and tell loudly in WWII, up to 1943 there is more Croatians in partisan units than Serbian, and more than half of this Croatian citizens in partisan units they are Croatian Serbs(there I am conservative and say more than half, in reality it is from 60 to 70%). There is one reason why is that. Reason is in Chetnik movement in Serbia, they are not killing German solders, they are killing Serbs who try to join in Titos partisan movement, and they do it very well. Croatian Ustasha do not do that, if they capture partisan who have Croatian nationality, he /she will go in Jasenovac and there is no other repression for his/hers family. Chetniks kill entire family.
    Right now, we are divided on two sides. One side is more louder then other side. And more than half of population is looking its own business and have friends from all sides and do not participate in politics at all, like me. This two sides are, I will call it rigid conservative political side who manipulate with peoples minds and flirts with Nazi ideology, they have own reason for that and that is economical reasons, not a just a hate of some minority. If they project hate successfully, they will have more economic power in hands, and that mean more power over peoples. They do what other peoples tell them to do(there I think on EU, USA), we destroy our heavy industry, our touristic industry is in bad shape to(and we are very proud on it, but it is shame), people are divided on thing like who is for partisan and who is for Ustasha. Reason is just simple, ustasha want foreign rulers who will rule over us, and used us how they want. And partisan want that Croatian people rule over Croatian people, have job, have money, have own business. So, we can talk about who will rule over who. And that situation is everywhere in the world. If USA will financially collapsed, we will see same situation there like what we see in Donbas, Ukraine, or Balkan peninsula. People are driven by power. Every nation hate its neighboring nation, this is not strange at all. So, hate is not limited on Slavic nation. German hate French, French hate Englishmen...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:36 pm

    Vann7 wrote:......................................................
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso

    Is a nice attempt but a weak report indeed.. while at the same time clever..
    because try to make a storm for 1 picture of 1 soldier that apparently was in Ukraine.
    The funny part of the video was when the video try to portray Russian army/DOnetsk as people
    who drink Vodka and steal money from local citizens
    .. lol1

    Yup...

    He is trying to convince people that that average Russian grunt who is by now accustomed to drinking beverages that vast majority of Ukrainians can't even afford and who, these days, makes more money in couple of months than most Ukrainians do in a year, would be drinking Ukrainian toilet grade vodka and stealing their excuse for money.

    It's like saying that US army was stealing kebabs from Iraqis

    Totally believable... lol1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:56 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:why Russians that we call today Ukrainians were made hostile to their own kind and why rest of slavic nations are indoctrinated to be russophobic to distance themselfs from russians and to believe the West holds them in any good association or light.

    The problem is that Slavs hate each other. Serbs and Croats hate each other. Russians and Ukrainians hate each other. Russians and Poles hate each other. Etc. This hatred leads to wars and lack of economic integration. It is also easy to exploit from outside, as the West does.

    Slavs will remain backwards compared to the West as long as this hatred exists.

    Oh, c'mon man, hatred is the spice of life. It's what gives us that extra buzz in the morning and puts smile on our faces, don't fight it, embrace it... lol1  music Laughing


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:59 pm


    Reality check for eager ukrops and liberals...  Twisted Evil

    Why Belgians Will Seize No Russian Assets in the Yukos Case

    Story is being misreported in the media. Belgians haven’t seized or frozen any Russian assets yet - and they’re unlikely to do anything of the sort.

       So far they’ve merely asked a number of organizations if they have control of any Russian state assets - to which the latter will say ‘no’


    http://russia-insider.com/en/arrest-russian-assets-exists-only-media/ri8150

    This article originally appeared at Crimson Alter. Translated by Kristina Rus at Fort Russ

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-arrest-of-russian-assets-exists.html
    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-arrest-of-russian-assets-exists.html

    Let’s be quick, rough and to the point. There is no “arrest” as such, and it’s not expected. I can explain it literally on the fingers, but the problem is that our journalists are more interested in headlines rather than the facts and a correct understanding of what is happening.

    Let’s define the terms: arrest involves a situation in which by a decision of the court (or other competent authority), legal or physical person loses the ability to control its assets. What do we have in the case of Belgium: we have letters from bailiffs sent to dozens of organizations, many of which are European (for example Eurocontrol), with two questions:

       Do you have assets under management that belong to the Russian state?
       Do you have debts to the Russian state?

    If there is a positive response to these questions, the next step is the demand to transfer these assets to the bailiffs and/or demand to pay the debt not to the Russian government, but Yukos.
    The range of organizations and companies which receive such letters, is determined simply - a clerk with a list of all legal entities of the country decides: “Could they have any connection to Russia?”, and if he feels that there is at least a minimal chance - sends a letter.

    This also means that investigators were not able to find and arrest anything on their own, and thus it is necessary to resort to such “information begging”: Oh help good people, let us arrest anything!

    I can explain the situation with a simple comparison. Bank X believes that Ivanov owes him money and transfers his debt to collectors. Collectors find out that they can not get a hold of Ivanov himself and begin to ask relatives and neighbors: “Do you have anything that belongs to Ivanov? Did Ivanov lend you money? If he did, return the money to us! And if you happen to have his old bike on the balcony, give it to us!”

    The ECHR [European Court on Human Rights], by the way, almost immediately distanced itself from this dubious operation: link [in Russian]

    Most likely, the incident will bubble in the media for a couple of weeks and then it will dissipate as the bailiffs will be receiving letters with the same type of answers: we have no assets and no debts to the Russian Federation.

    Given the fact that we live in the interestingly-absurd time, there is a (minimal) risk that the Brussels justice will go all the way and will try to arrest, for example, a parish of the Russian Orthodox Church in Belgium.

    According to the principle of reciprocity, it will be followed by the seizure and nationalization of something Belgian in Russia, and there is a reasonable suspicion that there are many more “Belgian assets” in Russia than “Russian” in Belgium.

    It is worth considering the reputational damage. No need to underestimate the Chinese, Brazilians, Arabs or Indians - all of them understand that tomorrow they may be in Russia’s position , because a reason can be found, for example - the same territorial conflict in the South China sea in the case of China.

    Conclusions: the incident will resolve itself with the probability of 99%, without long-term consequences. But everyone will have an opinion on this subject, from Yakunin and Leontiev to Ukrainian bloggers and nutty patriots. Everyone is happy, except me, who has to write about this and not about something more interesting.

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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Erk on Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Reality check for eager ukrops and liberals...  Twisted Evil

    Why Belgians Will Seize No Russian Assets in the Yukos Case

    Story is being misreported in the media. Belgians haven’t seized or frozen any Russian assets yet - and they’re unlikely to do anything of the sort.

       So far they’ve merely asked a number of organizations if they have control of any Russian state assets - to which the latter will say ‘no’


    http://russia-insider.com/en/arrest-russian-assets-exists-only-media/ri8150

    it's political for sure, trying to smear Russia.
    I think the way Yukos was privatized for only $350mill, then floated on the stock exchange shortly after for $9bill was totally corrupt and now the corrupt Yukos big shareholders are trying to milk Russia for more under the guise of compensation when they are the ones behind the money laundering enterprise.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:32 pm

    Erk wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Reality check for eager ukrops and liberals...  Twisted Evil

    Why Belgians Will Seize No Russian Assets in the Yukos Case

    Story is being misreported in the media. Belgians haven’t seized or frozen any Russian assets yet - and they’re unlikely to do anything of the sort.

       So far they’ve merely asked a number of organizations if they have control of any Russian state assets - to which the latter will say ‘no’


    http://russia-insider.com/en/arrest-russian-assets-exists-only-media/ri8150

    it's political for sure, trying to smear Russia.
    I think the way Yukos was privatized for only $350mill, then floated on the stock exchange shortly after for $9bill was totally corrupt and now the corrupt Yukos big shareholders are trying to milk Russia for more under the guise of compensation when they are the ones behind the money laundering enterprise.

    EU is trying to shake the tree in order to threaten the monkeys living above.

    The problem is, Russia is not a monkey and Russia does not put its life on the Yukos tree.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:35 pm

    Why is the site so fvcked up right now? Have no functions of linking videos or pics?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:58 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Why is the site so fvcked up right now? Have no functions of linking videos or pics?

    alexZam just uploaded megaton of Army2015 pics and now everyone and their grandma (me included) is feasting on the bounty. Cool drunken russia

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  BKP on Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:14 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:Is it that clown ostrovski by any chance?

    The guy has no credibility, he has been trying to pin everything on russia right since the start of his oh so wittily titled 'russian roulette'  videos.

    Anyone remember the incident in the first week or so of war last year where some ukies were ambushed outside slavyansk/kramatorsk and he did a report on it, standing at the scene of the ambush stating 'im sure that russian special forces did this'?

    He is pure propaganda, nothing more, nothing less. His videos are excellently shot but ive not bothered watching them since last year due to the propaganda in them.

    Vice are supposedly known for their independency, their ability to get into the nitty gritty places where noone else would dare to go. Dont you think about a violent coup that overthrows its democratically elected leader that then goes off to suppress all opposition using genuine ne-nazis, that imprisons thousands of innocents, kills thousands of civilians and is happy  murdering opposition leaders and journalists would be a decent story?

    It certainly sounds like a good story to me. Any decent journalist would pick up on this rather than try to play the russia bs card 24/7.

    I can hardly express how much I despise Simon Ostrovsky. But, thanks to him, largely, I came to realize that Vice is nothing but a US State Dept. propaganda unit with asshole-looking hipsters holding the microphones.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  BKP on Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:23 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:For me the whole "Euromaidan" was a big testimony for this inferiority complex.

    We want to be Europeans/westerners now!

    We want to destroy everything "Russian" among us!

    We must kill those Donbass subhumans because they don't share our dreams!

    And this in a country that is a shithole even compared to Poland and Russia. The fools think that the westerners will accept them as equals and among them. When a westerner sees an Ukrainian he sees a cannon fodder, nothing else.

    Oh, hey Russians, this guy's opinion of your country is that it's a shithole. Just not quite as much so as Ukraine.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:......................................................
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso

    Is a nice attempt but a weak report indeed.. while at the same time clever..
    because try to make a storm for 1 picture of 1 soldier that apparently was in Ukraine.
    The funny part of the video was when the video try to portray Russian army/DOnetsk as people
    who drink Vodka and steal money from local citizens
    .. lol1

    Yup...

    He is trying to convince people that that average Russian grunt who is by now accustomed to drinking beverages that vast majority of Ukrainians can't even afford and who, these days, makes more money in couple of months than most Ukrainians do in a year, would be drinking Ukrainian toilet grade vodka and stealing their excuse for money.

    It's like saying that US army was stealing kebabs from Iraqis  

    Totally believable... lol1

    Sounds like he needs to get his ass a beating again, to teach him some manners and respect.

    I know journalists all have their 'orders' and only tell the side of the story sponsored by their publications - that's fine. There is no excuse however for these personal insults and accusations, broadcast to tens of thousands of people watching these reports.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:09 pm

    More salt on that wound please! Very Happy


    Ukraine to Win Time With Creditors if Russia's Bond Repayed - Moscow

    Russia bought $3 billion of Ukraine’s sovereign bonds late in 2013. The deadline for the next debt payment of $75 million is Saturday, but Moscow expects the tranche to come in on Monday, June 22.

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150619/1023570791.html

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Ukraine will likely repay Russia for its next Eurobond as this move is in Kiev’s interests amid dialogue with other creditors, Russian Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak said Friday.

    “I think that the likelihood of repayment is close to 100 percent,” Storchak said on Rossiya-24 television.

    Storchak said that Ukraine would be able to win some time to repay other creditors and avoid a default.

    “I believe it’s in Ukraine’s national interests by transferring $75 million into Russia’s budget to avoid any events of a default and will win a few extra weeks or even months to work more closely with its creditors.”

    Storchak has previously estimated Kiev owes a total of up to $26 billion to Russian banks.

    The Ukrainian parliament ratified a bill last month allowing Kiev to freeze the payment of the country’s foreign debt until July 1, 2016.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:35 pm

    The Ukrainian Interior Ministry refused to storm the base "Tornado"

    Interior Ministry of Ukraine has no plans to storm the base, which disbanded soldiers barricaded company Lugansk militia


    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/19/tornado1/

    "Tornado". This was announced on Facebook spokesman agencies Artem Shevchenko.

    "No storm will not, in their no one will shoot. There will be investigations. Tension eased. And this is good. - Wrote Shevchenko.

    June 18, Arsen Avakov has signed an order to disband the separate company Lugansk militia "Tornado", suspected of murder, torture, kidnapping locals and gang rape of men. Chief Military Prosecutor Anatoly Matios said that fighters "Tornadoes" refused to disarm and barricaded themselves in their base in one of the schools of Severodonetsk.

    Deputy commander of the "Tornado" Cukura Nicholas said that after the dissolution of the men waiting for company transfer to a new place of work. Verkhovna Rada deputy, a former adviser Anton Avakov Gerashchenko regarded the events as disobedience fighters company Ukrainian security officials.

    June 17, Anatoly Matios announced the arrest of eight men "Tornado", including the commander of the unit, five times convicted Ruslan Onishchenko. It was noted that the detention held in Kiev, Lviv, Dnipropetrovsk and Severodonetsk. According Matios, a criminal group organized by Onishchenko, operated in the city of spaciousness (Lisichanskiy district Luhansk region).

    "Tornado" as a volunteer company was established in October last year on the basis of the battalion "Miner", also disbanded by decree Arsen Avakov for looting. Since June 2014 "Miner", under the command of Ruslan Onishchenko took part in the battle for the village of Sands, cleaning and taking Dokuchayevsk village Marinka.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:47 pm


    Some more knowledgeable might elaborate...

    http://twower.livejournal.com/1697804.html

    "Che there for Ukrainians?"

    sandrermakoff brought an interesting track with a site Flaytradar : the recent flight of the Tu-214R, designed for integrated opto-electronic intelligence



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  Flagship Victory on Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:03 pm

    Senate clears lethal aid to Maidan. Now both chambers of Congress has cleared. Obama is the only one blocking.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/mashable-in-challenge-to-obama-us-senate-passes-defense-bill-that-allots-lethal-aid-to-ukraine-391516.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Some more knowledgeable might elaborate...

    http://twower.livejournal.com/1697804.html

    "Che there for Ukrainians?"

    sandrermakoff brought an interesting track with a site Flaytradar : the recent flight of the Tu-214R, designed for integrated opto-electronic intelligence



    This plane..



    Is a spy plane and one of the latest of Russia..
    So is very modern its equipment..
    PRobably Russia is trying to intercept communications either celular phone or military radio
    from Kiev to easter Ukraine.. The plane should also have the capability to detect any electronic equipment like counter electronics in the battle field and its location. and supply the location and exact coordinates of the equipment to the Rebels to its artillery.  

    So it fly near Ukraine borders to try to spy deep inside Ukraine territory without invading it.
    and monitor Ukraine army communications positions and any advance equipment..
    Satelites can do that but sometimes bad weather and or a spy plane help can help.

    http://theaviationist.com/2012/05/24/tu-214r/

    So the spy plane could effectively locate all Ukraine army positions with electronics in the battle field ,even if they hide with camouflage . It can be very useful to locate Ukraine air defenses and radars.. but also Tanks with antennas and electronics. and pass the information to the Rebels.. for a direct hit on kiev positions.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  Flagship Victory on Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:55 pm

    Putin says only the West can solve the problem in Ukraine

    http://www.dw.de/only-the-west-can-solve-ukraine-crisis-says-putin/a-18527144

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  whir on Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:47 pm

    112 UA via Google Translate wrote:Москаль: Боец АТО расстрелял молодую пару из Счастья, чтобы получить автомобиль
    Moskal: ATO soldier shot a young couple from happiness to get a car
    13:14, 19 June 2015

    The governor said that the soldier was arrested and is in jail

    A soldier of one of the volunteer battalions, a native of Lviv region, shot a young couple from happiness to get the car. This was written in Facebook chairman of Lugansk military and civil administration Gennady Moskal. Continue reading.

    Igor Mosiychuk's FaceBook via Google Translate wrote:He visited the court of patriots accused of murdering Olesya elder. This ATO members Andrew Medvedko "Manson" fighter battalion MIA Kyiv-2 and Denis Polishchuk "Allah" komvzvodu battalion UNSO.

    Police said that has conclusive evidence of the involvement of these patriots to murder ukrainofoba elder.

    Most patriots categorically reject the accusations made by them. Moreover claim that the murder Buzyna day they were not in the capital.

    I believe that those who are eliminated ukrainonenavysnyka Olesya elder should award the title of Hero Ukrainy

    It was an attempt in the classic style of Bandera and Shukhevych. Once in court ix also called "murderers" and is revered as a national hero Continue reading.

    Interfax UA wrote:NBU decides to liquidate insolvent bank Standard
    12:59 19.06.2015

    The National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) has decided to revoke the banking license of insolvent bank Standard (Kyiv) and liquidate it.

    "After considering the proposal of the fund [the Individuals' Deposit Guarantee Fund], the NBU Board issued resolution No. 385 of June 18, 2015 on revoking the banking license of insolvent bank Standard and its liquidation," the NBU said in a posting on its website.

    According to the report, in February 2015 the bank was put on the list of troubled banks as it was carrying out risky operations.

    The financial readjustment plan presented by the bank to the NBU did not contain enough urgent measures aimed at improving its financial state. Taking into account the worsening of the situation with the liquidity and solvency of the bank and the absence of owner support, the bank was put on the list of insolvent banks.

    The Individuals' Deposit Guarantee Fund from February 20 to May 19 introduced temporary administration at bank Standard and prolonged its operation until June 18.

    Bank Standard was registered in 2008. As of early January 2015, the bank did not have any shareholders who held more than 10% of shares in the bank.

    In September 2014 Media Image LLC cut its stake in the charter capital of Standard Bank (both based in Kyiv) from 100% to 51%, and by December 2014 the company was no longer a shareholder.

    Bank Standard ranked 88th among 158 operating banks as of January 1, 2015, in terms of total assets worth UAH 1.181 billion, according to the NBU. Continue reading.

    BBC UA via Google Translate wrote:ОБСЄ продовжила місію на кордоні з РФ
    Continued OSCE mission on the border with Russia
    47 minute (s) ago

    OSCE Permanent Council decided to extend until 30 September 2015 the work of their observation missions on the Russian-Ukrainian border "Gukovo" and "Donetsk".

    As stated in the press release of the organization, the decision is taken unanimously by all 57 members.

    OSCE election observation mission of 20 persons is at these points of the Ukrainian-Russian border on July 29, 2014.

    Its mission - to monitor the situation as well as cross-border movement of people and technology. Continue reading.

    Говорит Москва wrote:ATO #: minced meat for the filling of coffins from the chef Valtsmana (06/19/2015).

    Graham Phillips wrote:Patrick at Work (#4) - Donetsk Under Shelling

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  whir on Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:37 pm

    News-Front wrote:Under the command of the battle is Givi Task Force "Somalia" in the Donetsk airport. 19/06/2015

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  chinggis on Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:56 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Some more knowledgeable might elaborate...

    http://twower.livejournal.com/1697804.html

    "Che there for Ukrainians?"

    sandrermakoff brought an interesting track with a site Flaytradar : the recent flight of the Tu-214R, designed for integrated opto-electronic intelligence



    This plane..



    Is a spy plane and one of the latest of Russia..
    So is very modern its equipment..
    PRobably Russia is trying to intercept communications either celular phone or military radio
    from Kiev to easter Ukraine.. The plane should also have the capability to detect any electronic equipment like counter electronics in the battle field and its location. and supply the location and exact coordinates of the equipment to the Rebels to its artillery.  

    So it fly near Ukraine borders to try to spy deep inside Ukraine territory without invading it.
    and monitor Ukraine army communications positions and any advance equipment..
    Satelites can do that but sometimes bad weather and or a spy plane help can help.

    http://theaviationist.com/2012/05/24/tu-214r/

    So the spy plane could effectively locate all Ukraine army positions with electronics in the battle field ,even if they hide with camouflage . It can be very useful to locate Ukraine air defenses and radars.. but also Tanks with antennas and electronics. and pass the information to the Rebels.. for a direct hit on kiev positions.

    That is bad sign in sky. Confrontation is near, very near. Especially, when we see its route, entire border with Ukraine, and sea border too. This is not good at all. After one week all data will be processed and presented to high command. Near Ukraine border is probably all the time EW units of Russian federation who listen radio communications and radio transmissions, this flight is ordered because high command want to know more what is happen in Ukraine, deep very deep in the background.
    Just to say, in WWII American Air force is capable to find German submarine in Atlantic ocean hundred nautical miles away, with listening HF oscillation from super heterodine receiver on German submarine. Germans know that, but they think it is impossible to anyone to find this weak signal. And I speak on receiver, not on transmitter. Capability of electronic interception today is much more capable then in WWII and I see this flight like a bad sign. War machine is lubricating its wheels.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:53 am

    chinggis wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Some more knowledgeable might elaborate...

    http://twower.livejournal.com/1697804.html

    "Che there for Ukrainians?"

    sandrermakoff brought an interesting track with a site Flaytradar : the recent flight of the Tu-214R, designed for integrated opto-electronic intelligence



    This plane..

    Is a spy plane and one of the latest of Russia..
    So is very modern its equipment..
    PRobably Russia is trying to intercept communications either celular phone or military radio
    from Kiev to easter Ukraine.. The plane should also have the capability to detect any electronic equipment like counter electronics in the battle field and its location. and supply the location and exact coordinates of the equipment to the Rebels to its artillery.  

    So it fly near Ukraine borders to try to spy deep inside Ukraine territory without invading it.
    and monitor Ukraine army communications positions and any advance equipment..
    Satelites can do that but sometimes bad weather and or a spy plane help can help.

    http://theaviationist.com/2012/05/24/tu-214r/

    So the spy plane could effectively locate all Ukraine army positions with electronics in the battle field ,even if they hide with camouflage . It can be very useful to locate Ukraine air defenses and radars.. but also Tanks with antennas and electronics. and pass the information to the Rebels.. for a direct hit on kiev positions.

    That is bad sign in sky. Confrontation is near, very near. Especially, when we see its route, entire border with Ukraine, and sea border too. This is not good at all. After one week all data will be processed and presented to high command. Near Ukraine border is probably all the time EW units of Russian federation who listen radio communications and radio transmissions, this flight is ordered because high command want to know more what is happen in Ukraine, deep very deep in the background.
    Just to say, in WWII American Air force is capable to find German submarine in Atlantic ocean hundred nautical miles away, with listening HF oscillation from super heterodine receiver on German submarine. Germans know that, but they think it is impossible to anyone to find this weak signal. And I speak on receiver, not on transmitter. Capability of electronic interception today is much more capable then in WWII and I see this flight like a bad sign. War machine is lubricating its wheels.

    What?

    Anyway, I doubt this was the first flight, and don't worry about WW3.

    These kind of flights happened in the Cold War rather frequently.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:33 am

    chinggis wrote:
    That is bad sign in sky. Confrontation is near, very near. Especially, when we see its route, entire border with Ukraine, and sea border too. This is not good at all. After one week all data will be processed and presented to high command. Near Ukraine border is probably all the time EW units of Russian federation who listen radio communications and radio transmissions, this flight is ordered because high command want to know more what is happen in Ukraine, deep very deep in the background.
    Just to say, in WWII American Air force is capable to find German submarine in Atlantic ocean hundred nautical miles away, with listening HF oscillation from super heterodine receiver on German submarine. Germans know that, but they think it is impossible to anyone to find this weak signal. And I speak on receiver, not on transmitter. Capability of electronic interception today is much more capable then in WWII and I see this flight like a bad sign. War machine is lubricating its wheels.

    Except overflights like this would have been going since the start of the conflict... Rolling Eyes

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:58 am

    I don't think this has been posted.

    US Senator McCain visits Dnipro-1 regiment, which was formed by a Dnipropetrovsk oligarch with involvement of the Right Sector.

    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/3529862-senator-makkein-provedal-boitsov-dnepra-1-v-dnepropetrovske



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

    Post  auslander on Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:16 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I don't think this has been posted.

    US Senator McCain visits Dnipro-1 regiment, which was formed by a Dnipropetrovsk oligarch with involvement of the Right Sector.

    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/3529862-senator-makkein-provedal-boitsov-dnepra-1-v-dnepropetrovske

    If this is true you can look for an increase in hostilities by Monday at the latest. We'll see.

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