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    miketheterrible

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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:41 am

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/185107/indian-navy-to-issue-tender-for-110-light-helicopters.html

    So Kamov 226T not good enough for Navy. Being built for Army and Airforce. So new tender for 110 helicopters for Navy.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:08 am

    miketheterrible wrote:http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/185107/indian-navy-to-issue-tender-for-110-light-helicopters.html

    So Kamov 226T not good enough for Navy.  Being built for Army and Airforce.  So new tender for 110 helicopters for Navy.
    Very few Navies will accept 'gear' that their Army or especially Air Force have accepted. They are the 'special service' so there clearly needs to be a special Ka-226IN with extra features, maybe water wings or something.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:17 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/185107/indian-navy-to-issue-tender-for-110-light-helicopters.html

    So Kamov 226T not good enough for Navy.  Being built for Army and Airforce.  So new tender for 110 helicopters for Navy.
    Very few Navies will accept 'gear' that their Army or especially Air Force have accepted. They are the 'special service' so there clearly needs to be a special Ka-226IN with extra features, maybe water wings or something.

    It is a courtesy for the US, nothing more. India is a vassal nation, not independent.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:08 pm

    http://russia-insider.com/en/us-strikes-russia-india-defense-ties/ri21405#.WfcQZO50IrQ.twitter

    India will have to choose either sovereignty or vassalhood it seems.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:33 am

    https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/928371678387818499

    Looks like India really is no friend of Russia since its allowing US access to Russian secrets as well as breaking contracts
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:51 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/928371678387818499

    Looks like India really is no friend of Russia since its allowing US access to Russian secrets as well as breaking contracts

    They haven't really been "friends" for at least the tenure of the current and previous Indian governments....the official smiles and occasional BS posing for the cameras don't really mean much. That's why now Russia is openly seeking better ties with Pakistan

    Apparently the Russian's were upset about giving acces to the aircraft carrier but since that is Indian property they only protested privately. Now the news that a US delegation was shown around the Chakra is apparently causing a possible break of the negotiations for the transfer of the second sub.

    Rogozin is due to go there in December to try and resolve "several issues"

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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:34 pm

    India seems in an awful hurry to become a new vassal of the reborn British Empire.

    Don't be seduced, India.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:41 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:............ Now the news that a US delegation was shown around the Chakra is apparently causing a possible break of the negotiations for the transfer of the second sub.
    ...............

    I say give that fresh sub to Russian Navy, they need it anyway.

    In case India already paid money then no refunds, fuck you very much... pwnd
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:58 pm

    flamming_python wrote:India seems in an awful hurry to become a new vassal of the reborn British Empire.

    Don't be seduced, India.

    That aint going to change, when you got signs everywhere in India about "studying so you can live in the US or UK". Essentially, it is every Indian's dream to be a subject of the US and UK. They are a stupid bunch of people.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:India seems in an awful hurry to become a new vassal of the reborn British Empire.

    Don't be seduced, India.

    That aint going to change, when you got signs everywhere in India about "studying so you can live in the US or UK".  Essentially, it is every Indian's dream to be a subject of the US and UK.  They are a stupid bunch of people.
    Not just Indians. Few understand that the image of prosperity in the West that they all aspire to is just a mirage built on a sand castle of debt.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:44 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:India seems in an awful hurry to become a new vassal of the reborn British Empire.

    Don't be seduced, India.

    That aint going to change, when you got signs everywhere in India about "studying so you can live in the US or UK".  Essentially, it is every Indian's dream to be a subject of the US and UK.  They are a stupid bunch of people.
    Not just Indians. Few understand that the image of prosperity in the West that they all aspire to is just a mirage built on a sand castle of debt.

    many understand that after living here for enough time. Many said it is praised and all is a lie. I've been to India because of work. Many are good people trying. I also understand their education outside of math, English and science is extremely lacking. Many don't even know their own history, let alone others. Their government is crooked, because lets be frank here: if this was an Indian Submarine, it would have been treason. Reason? Even after all the hoopla in media between US and Pakistan, US is still funding, arming and training Pakistan. The terrorists in Kashmir, most are fighters migrated after the 80's that were trained and fought against Soviets. Most of the programs plaguing Pakistan date back to the 70's and 80's of CIA involvement.  Indians think this whole ordeal is 100% Pakistan, but it isn't.  The other one they love to ignore is that many of the terrorist supporters of Khalistan movement are in the west - Canada, US and UK.

    Does Russia train and harbor Indian terrorists? No. Did they protect Indian terrorists or train them? No. Who stood by India during times of sanctions and US threats to nuke India in 76? Russia. It comes down to the fact that India is a piss poor friend. At least US and UK were never Russian friends and they make it obvious. India on the other hand is the worst due to deceit.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:36 pm


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    Reports from Moscow allege @indiannavy allowed US officers unauthorised access to the INS Chakra nuclear submarine (which is on lease from Russia). Reflect a growing rift? No reaction from Indian Navy yet.

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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:47 pm

    Indian defence minister's speech in Moscow yesterday: "Russia has re-established its role and influence in global strategic and defence matters ... the solution to the key challenges we face today require Russia’s active involvement."

    http://indianembassy.ru/index.php/en/bilateral-relations/statements-speeches-interviews/2222-address-by-mrs-nirmala-sitharaman-defence-minister-of-india-at-the-seventh-moscow-conference-on-international-security-mcis-04-04-2018-on-global-security-in-a-polycentric-world

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    PM Modi to visit Russia next week for informal summit with Putin

    Post  Pinto on Mon May 14, 2018 3:02 pm

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/pm-modi-to-visit-russia-next-week-for-informal-summit-with-putin/

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi will travel to Russia on May 21 for an informal summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) announced on May 14. The informal summit will be held in Russian city of Sochi.

    “This will be an important occasion for the two leaders to exchange views on international matters in a broad and long-term perspective with the objective of further strengthening our Special and Privileged Strategic partnership,” the MEA said in a statement. It said both the leaders will also discuss their respective national developmental priorities and bilateral matters.

    “This informal Summit in Sochi between Prime Minister Modi and President Putin is in keeping with the tradition of regular consultations between India and Russia at the highest levels,” the MEA said. Last month, Modi had travelled to Chinese city of Wuhan for an informal summit with President Xi Jingpin.

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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  Austin on Sat May 19, 2018 10:14 am

    As India Goes Military Shopping in Russia, US Reminds of Moscow Sanctions

    US officials said the major defence purchase by India from Russia would attract sanctions under the Countering America's Adversaries through Sanction Act (CAATSA), which was signed into law by US President Donald Trump in August 2017 and went into effect in January this year

    Washington: At a time when India plans to purchase five S-400 Triumf air defence systems for around $4.5 billion from Russia, the US on Saturday said its friends and allies should take into consideration the law under which any significant purchase of military equipment from Moscow would attract American sanctions.

    US officials said the major defence purchase by India from Russia would attract sanctions under the Countering America's Adversaries through Sanction Act (CAATSA), which was signed into law by US President Donald Trump in August 2017 and went into effect in January this year.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold an informal summit in the Russian city of Sochi on Monday, and official sources said the possible impact of the US sanctions against Russia under CAATSA on Indo-Russia defence cooperation may also figure during the talks between the two leaders.

    "CAATSA is a feature and we need to take it seriously. The (Trump) administration is always bound by US law. This is a US law. I'm hoping that not just India, but all of the partners that we engage with will understand that we will have to evaluate any potential large defence purchase from Russia seriously because that's what the law demands of us," Tina Kaidanow, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs, told reporters during a conference call on Saturday.

    Kaidanow travels to India next week, during which she will hold talks on defence trade and peacekeeping, which are among two key areas of the rapidly growing US-India partnership as envisioned in the administration's Indo-Pacific strategy.

    Referring to the conversation that the US is having with India and other countries on CAATSA, Kaidanow said the US wants this to be a positive discussion, not framed on the negative.

    "We are going to have to continue to have that conversation with both our Indian counterparts and others about how do we deal with the CAATSA issue. But, I will tell you again, it is US law. We need to take it seriously. Our partners need to take that into consideration as they make their decisions. I can't stress that enough," Kaidanow said.


    When specifically asked if she sees the possibility of US imposing sanctions on India, if it goes ahead with its defence deals with Russia, the senior US official said that everyone should read that legislation carefully and understand its intent.

    "The intent is not to sanction our partners. The intent is to emphasise how important it is that Russia's malign behaviour all over the world is countered and by virtue of purchasing large-scale Russian system, what you're doing is enabling that kind of behaviour. That's the intent of the legislation," she said.


    India is not going to allow its defence engagement with Russia to be dictated by any other country, the sources said earlier this week, adding New Delhi has been lobbying with the Trump administration on the issue.


    Kaidanow sought to clarify that the message was intended not just for India but for all its partners as they contemplate these purchases. She underscored the "positive incentives" to buy American products which are "good" and address relevant security needs besides making their forces interoperable in certain instances. :rotfl:

    "Think about what you're doing when you purchase Russian product. It has a distinctly negative byproduct and that is you are creating an environment in which they are better able to do some of the things that we know are problematic," Kaidanow said.
    Laughing

    She acknowledged the US understands the historic defence relationship between India and Russia.

    "We understand all of that. It's a function of what are we talking about? Are you buying, a single truck; are you buying a large scale system ... these are things we're going to talk about," she said.

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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  Austin on Sat May 19, 2018 10:23 am

    New U.S. Sanctions Pose Dilemma for India’s Defense

    “India is now between the devil and the deep blue sea. If India opts to do business with Russia, it loses out on spares and services from the U.S. on equipment already purchased such as the Boeing P-8I maritime patrol aircraft and the Lockheed Martin C-130J,” said a senior MoD official. However, with no “force majeure” clause in those contracts, U.S. defense companies will be considered defaulters according to India’s Defense Procurement Procedure, resulting in heavy fines.

    “This issue brings us back to the issue of trust that took so long to build between the two nations,” said an Indian MoD official. He noted that India has not yet signed two foundational agreements for defense cooperation with the U.S.: the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement, previously known as the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement, and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement. The two are necessary for India to access communication security equipment on imports from the U.S. and sharing geospatial information, respectively. “India never fully trusted the U.S.,” the official added.
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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  Pinto on Sun May 20, 2018 2:00 pm

    US has no business to tell india from whom to by its weapons. Since US is getting many indian orders they must remain contended with it and dont need to poke there dirty nose every where more so when it comes Indo-Russian defence projects
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    Modi in Sochi: PM invokes Vajpayee to assert India-Russia ‘strategic’ ties

    Post  Pinto on Mon May 21, 2018 5:29 pm

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/modi-in-sochi-pm-invokes-vajpayee-to-assert-india-russia-strategic-ties-5185639/

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