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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:19 am

    An Indian consortium led by Oil India is in talks with Rosneft to acquire a 49% stake in Vankor Cluster assets. The Vankor Cluster comprises the Suzunskoye, Tagulskoye and Lodochnoye oilfields. All the fields have gas reserves of approximately 415 million tons. The deal is expected to be worth more than USD 2 billion. Sources say that deal will include some under-developed fields as well.
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin to be offered 30 joint venture plans during his 4-day stay

    Post  Pinto on Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:07 pm

    NEW DELHI: In what could help ease the heartburn caused by the Russia-Pakistan military exercise, India is making a major Russia push by lining up as many as 30 collaboration proposals to be taken up at the Indo-Russian annual summit in Goa on Saturday. These projects will cover areas ranging from additional nuclear reactors and fifthgeneration fighter aircraft to satellite navigation and investment in the hydrocarbon sector.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin will be in India from October 14 to 17, his longest stay here in recent times, to attend the 17th edition of the Indo-Russian summit and the 8th BRICS summit with a team that includes eight ministers.

    Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi will release a joint document on global peace and stability besides a separate paper listing three dozen activities planned in 2017 to mark the 70th year of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries.

    The Goa meeting, said people familiar with Indo-Russian partnership, could lead to significant outcomes and big headlines.

    Notwithstanding Russian argument of having minimum engagement with Pakistan to fight terror in the Eurasian region, Modi will express concern when he meets Putin over the military exercise in Cherat as India seeks to build a narrative against Pak-sponsored terror.

    Delhi and Moscow will seek to expand their counter-terror partnership and sign cyber security pact in Goa, officials said. Both sides are also hoping to extend their collaboration in Afghanistan with Delhi seeking Moscow’s assistance to supply military equipment.

    Despite going ahead with the war games with Pakistan, Moscow has taken steps to back India’s position — it supported the surgical strikes on terrorists in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, cancelled joint exercises in Azad Kashmir and earlier virtually blamed Pakistan for the Uri terror attack.

    Even as negotiations are still going on, the highlight of this edition of the Indo-Russian summit could be an agreement on the fifth and sixth reactors (1,000 MW each) for the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project in Tamil Nadu. India is expected to announce a second site for Russian-built nuclear power plants comprising six reactors, likely in Andhra Pradesh, even as Russia plans to sell as many as 25 reactors to India. Some reports suggest that Modi and Putin could jointly dedicate the second unit at Kudankulam through videoconferencing from Goa.

    India views Russia as a hard power which could assist it in key strategic sectors. Besides nuclear energy, a number of defencerelated pacts are in the pipeline as Moscow hopes to continue as India’s preeminent defence supplier.


    Besides agreements for fifth-generation fighter jets and Kamov helicopters (to be produced in India), the two sides could agree to modify the jointly developed Brahmos supersonic missiles, besides building frigates for the Indian Navy and supply an air defence system. Russia will also be urged to continue supply of ammunition for the Indian Army.

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    Essar-Rosneft Deal: No Place for American Intervention in Indo-Russian Affairs

    Post  Pinto on Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:50 am

    India’s second biggest private refiner could soon come under the control of Russian energy firm Rosneft. The US was not in favor of the deal citing sanctions against Russian firm.

    New Delhi (Sputnik) — Roadblocks have been cleared for one of the biggest investments of any Russian firm in India — the Rosneft-Essar oil deal. The deal is estimated to be worth $12 billion.



    Sources indicate that Russian companies and Essar Oil are expected to announce the acquisition after the India-Russia Annual Summit in Goa. According to the agreement, Rosneft will acquire 49 percent stake in Essar Oil, while, Dutch commodities trading partner Trafigura and Russian fund United Capital Partner will share another 49 percent equally between them.

    Narendra Taneja, an Indian energy expert, says, “This would be a big foreign investment in India and definitely would bring Russia and India closer economically.”

    Pumped Up! India Gets Ready for Arrival of BP and Rosneft to the High Street This would be a landmark deal for future economic cooperation between the two ‘unique time-tested friends’ — India and Russia — even as the US threatened to derail the deal citing a two-year-old sanction it had imposed on Rosneft. However, sensing the US sanction might come in the way of deal, Essar had reduced the share intended for sale by 25%.

    It is not clear whether the Indian government had intervened in the matter to push the deal as early as possible. The expert does not mention diplomatic intervention, but Taneja is confident that ‘the deal should cross the sanctions hurdles successfully.’

    “With this deal, Rosneft would secure demand for its crude oil. The deal would open up India's petrol, diesel, air turbine fuel and other petroleum products market for Roseneft. This means a lot for the Russian company since India is the fastest growing oil market in the world," Taneja said.

    Rosneft is expected to enter the Indian retail market with 2,000 retail outlets currently owned by Essar.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/business/201610141046336057-india-russia-rosneft-deal/

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    India of Today and Russia of Today Are More Ambitious Than Ever

    Post  Pinto on Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:59 am




    India and Russia are looking into ways to improve transport links between the two countries in order to boost trade and economic cooperation, Indian Ambassador to Russia Pankaj Saran said Friday.

    GOA (Sputnik) — Ahead of the upcoming BRICS summit in Goa, Saran told reporters:

    "We are also looking at the importance of improving connectivity between India and Russia because this has proved to be obstacle in the growth of our trade and economic partnership."

    he BRICS Business Council will also meet on the sidelines of the summit of the five-nation BRICS, which will take place on Saturday and Sunday and will be visited by the Russian president. The council will discuss ways to spur intra-BRICS economic cooperation.

    Russia and India are looking for new ways to cooperate in the energy, infrastructure, rail, agriculture and high-tech sectors, the ambassador added. "I would say that today, the India of today and the Russia of today are more ambitious than they have ever been in the past about finding new areas and moving forward," Saran said.

    The BRICS Business Council is a platform which serves to promote business, trade and investment ties between the BRICS member states. It was established in 2013 during the Fifth BRICS Summit in South Africa.

    BRICS is an association of five economies, which comprise over one third of the world’s population. BRICS member states, China, Russia, Brazil, India and South Africa, have a combined nominal GDP equivalent to approximately 20 percent of the gross world product.

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    Rosneft-led group acquires Essar Oil for nearly $13 billion,

    Post  Pinto on Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:44 am

    Russia's state-controlled oil giant Rosneft+ and its partners on Saturday took over India's second biggest private oil firm Essar Oil+ in an all-cash deal valued at about $13 billion.

    Rosneft bought a 49 per cent stake in Essar Oil+ 's refinery port and petrol pumps, while Netherlands-based Trafigura Group Pte, one of the world's biggest commodity trading companies, and Russian investment fund United Capital Partners split another 49 per cent equity equally.

    The remaining 2 per cent is held by minority shareholders after delisting of Essar Oil.

    The deal has an enterprise value of close to $13 billion+ , which includes Essar Oil's debt of $4.5 billion and about $2 billion debt with the port company and power plant. Also, the near $3 billion dues to Iran for past oil purchases will continue to be on Essar Oil books.

    Essar Oil, part of a steel-to-ports conglomerate controlled by the billionaire Ruia brothers, operates a 405,000-barrels-a-day refinery at Vadinar in Gujarat. The refining complex also has a captive power plant as well as a port and terminal facilities.

    Essar Oil said it has signed two agreements for the sale.

    "The first sale and purchase agreement envisages the sale of 49% to Petrol Complex Pte Ltd (a subsidiary of PJSC Rosneft Oil Company); the second envisages the sale of the remaining 49 per cent to Kesani Enterprises Company Limited (owned by a consortium led by Trafigura and United Capital Partners) at an enterprise valuation of Rs 72,800 crore ($10.9 billion).

    "An additional Rs 13,300 crore ($2 billion) will be paid for the acquisition of Vadinar Port, which has world-class storage and import/export facilities," it said
    The deal would help the Essar Group, one of India's largest and most indebted conglomerates, trim its about Rs 88,000 crore (over $13 billion) debt and ward off creditor pressure.

    The deal was announced as Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi met Russian President Vladimir Putin during a meeting of the leaders of the BRICS countries here.

    The deal is the single largest foreign investment in the Indian refining sector and will strengthen the ties between the world's largest oil producer and the world's fastest growing fuel consumer.

    The acquisition is the biggest foreign acquisition ever in India and Russia's largest outbound deal.

    The all cash deal is expected to close in first quarter of 2017


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Rosneft-led-group-acquires-Essar-Oil-for-nearly-13-billion/articleshow/54866343.cms

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    India and Russia sign energy, defence deals worth billions

    Post  Pinto on Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:20 pm

    http://in.reuters.com/article/india-russia-brics-deals-idINKBN12F0EG

    By Douglas Busvine and Denis Pinchuk | GOA, INDIA

    India and Russia signed billions of dollars of defence and energy deals on Saturday at a summit that sought to inject new life into a relationship that has been tested by shifting global alliances and conflict in the Middle East.

    Under the biggest agreement, a group led by Russian state oil major Rosneft said it would pay $12.9 billion for a controlling stake in both India's Essar Oil and port facilities that it owns.

    The countries, which had strong ties during the Cold War, announced plans for a joint venture to build helicopters in India. New Delhi said it would also buy surface-to-air missile systems and stealth frigates from Moscow.

    "Ours is a truly unique and privileged relationship," Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said after talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the western seaside state of Goa.

    Modi said that his views were aligned with Putin's on the unstable situation in Afghanistan and the Middle East, where Moscow is at odds with the West in the five-year-old civil war in Syria that has killed hundreds of thousands.

    "We are conducting a comprehensive dialog on a wide scale of international issues, in which Indian and Russian approaches are close to each other or coincide," said Putin.

    Modi also praised Putin's support for the fight against international terrorism, which India accuses its neighbour and rival Pakistan of sponsoring. "Russia's clear stand on the need to combat terrorism mirrors our own," Modi said.

    MULTIPLE DEALS

    The Rosneft-Essar deal will be the biggest foreign takeover in India, and Russia's largest outbound deal, according to Thomson Reuters data.

    It comes as Russia moves to reassert its role in global affairs and at a time when its own economy is stagnant, hit by Western sanctions and low oil prices.

    Under the deal, a group led by Rosneft will acquire 98 percent of Essar Oil, and with it a 400,000 barrels-per-day refinery and port at Vadinar for $12.9 billion, the two sides said.

    Russian state bank VTB said it would refinance $3.9 billion owed by the Essar Group. Rosneft would pay $3.5 billion and its partners, oil trader Trafigura and investment fund UCP the same amount for an equal joint stake.

    The refinery deal follows a string of upstream investments in Russia by Indian companies in recent months that, Modi said, were worth $5.5 billion.

    Also on display was Russia's nuclear prowess, with the second reactor of the Russian-built Kudankulam plant in Tamil Nadu hooked up to the grid and concrete being poured in a ceremony carried by a TV linkup to mark the start of work on the third and fourth reactors there.

    Putin said that Russia would be able to build a dozen nuclear reactors in India over the next 20 years to back Modi's growth strategy for Asia's third-largest economy, which continues to suffer chronic power shortages.

    HELICOPTERS, MISSILES, SHIPS

    The defence pacts will also deepen military ties between the two countries that dates back to the Soviet era, when India entirely depended on Moscow to equip its armed forces. The United States has since taken over as India's top arms supplier.

    Indian military officials have said the plan is for the joint venture to build at least 200 Kamov 226t helicopters required by the country's defence forces. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd will be the local partner of Russian Helicopters and state arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

    The S-400 surface-to-air missiles would strengthen India's defences along its borders with China and Pakistan, Indian military officials have said. Also agreed were plans to build and supply stealth frigates for the Indian navy.

    Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and military industries, said two frigates could be built in India and two in Russia, RIA news agency reported. Rogozin said the ships may later be equipped with missiles manufacturered by BrahMos Aerospace, a venture co-owned by the Indian and Russian governments.

    (Additional reporting by Rupam Jain and Sanjeev Miglani; Writing by Douglas Busvine and Euan Rocha)


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    India, Russia To Study Building World's Most Expensive Pipeline

    Post  Pinto on Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:19 am

    BENAULIM, GOA: India and Russia have agreed to explore building the world's most expensive pipeline costing close to USD 25 billion to ferry natural gas from Siberia to the world's third biggest energy consuming nation.

    The pipeline is to connect Russian gas grid to India through a 4,500 km to 6,000 km pipeline, officials said.

    The shortest route will entail bringing the pipeline through Himalayas into Northern India, a route which poses several technical challenges.

    Alternately, the pipeline can come via Central Asian nations, Iran and Pakistan into Western India. However, the route will be expensive when compared to the long discussed but shorter and cheaper Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline. Tehran may suggest India take its gas through IPI rather than building such an expensive pipeline, they said.

    The third and the longest alternative is to lay a pipeline through China and Myanmar into North East India bypassing Bangladesh.

    According to preliminary cost estimate prepared by state-owned Engineers India Ltd, which yesterday signed an agreement with Russian gas monopoly Gazprom for studying the Russia-India pipeline, the longest route of 6,000 km may cost close to USD 25 billion.

    The cost of transporting gas may be USD 12 per million British thermal unit, according to EIL.


    The MoU signed in the presence of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin at the India-Russia Annual Summit on sidelines of the 8th BRICS Summit in Goa, also envisages roping in ONGC Videsh Ltd, gas utility GAIL India Ltd and Petronet LNG Ltd for the study.

    Sources said natural gas produced in East Siberian fields is to be pumped into Russian gas grid which would be connected to India through the cross-country pipeline network.

    While the cost of transporting gas via the long discussed IPI pipeline is less than USD 1 per mmBtu, the same for the Turkeministan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline is around USD 2 per mmBtu.

    According to industry experts, a realistic transportation cost would be USD 4 per mmBtu for the Russia-India gas pipeline. This excludes the transit fee to be paid to nations through which the pipeline will pass.

    Russia is seeking to expand energy ties in Asia amid tensions with the West sparked by Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

    Indian companies have snapped up stakes in production assets in Siberian fields.

    The MoU is being seen as an attempt to strengthen ties between the world's largest oil producer and the world's fastest growing fuel consumer.


    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-russia-to-study-building-worlds-most-expensive-pipeline-1474909

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    Brother Russia has more goodies for India: developing Brahmos and Fifth generation jet

    Post  Pinto on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:57 pm

    NEW DELHI: Besides signing agreements on major defence deals at the India-Russia Annual Summit, which will strategically strengthen India’s military capabilities, India and Russia also agreed on improving the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile and the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

    Russian President Vladimir Putin while speaking to the Russian media following the BRICS summit said, "We have also agreed to improve the Brahmos missile, which will be land, air and sea-launched. We will also work to increase its range," said Putin.

    He also said, "And we will work together on a fifth-generation aircraft. It has basically made its maiden flight, but there are some issues we need to work out. I am talking about the T-50 fighter plane."

    The FGFA is being developed by India and Russia. It is derived from the Russian Air Force Sukhoi PAK FA. The T-50 is the prototype.


    He added, "Our relations in this area can be described by our willingness to help our Indian friends acquire additional competences. We have organised the assembly and production of the latest T-90 tanks and Sukhoi Su-30 aircraft."

    At the summit held in Goa over the weekend, India and Russia signed agreements on building frigates in Russia and India, of Russia delivering the S-400 Triumf air defence systems and a joint Kamov Ka-226T helicopter manufacturing enterprise, a Make in India project.

    The S-400 Triumf contract is worth billions of dollars, according to Putin’s statement to the Russian media.

    "As for military technical cooperation, the quality of that cooperation is quite high, maybe even better than with many other countries. We do not just sell India high-tech modern weaponry, but we also have joint research projects," he said.

    Putin also said India is one of Russia’s priority and strategic partners. "I should not need to recall the time of the popular Hindi Rusi bhai-bhai slogan (Indians and Russians are brothers). In fact, little has changed since then, and our relations have grown stronger," he said.

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    INDIA’S FRIEND FOR EVER

    Post  Pinto on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:58 pm

    Niggling issues apart, Russia most trustworthy

    Fresh moves to tighten the India-Russia partnership indicate both nations’ resolve to work closely despite Moscow's occasional overtures to Pakistan. Russia's growing proximity to Beijing in recent years has created discomfort for Delhi. But being a traditional friend for decades, Russia's concern for India has always been strong. Pakistan's constant efforts to bring Russia and China together in its power corridor will not cause damage to India, as the latter figures prominently in the economic and strategic calculus of both these nations. On the sidelines of the ongoing Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa (Brics) summit in Goa, India and Russia signed a slew of defence, energy, power, ship-building and space deals towards strengthening the bilateral ties.

    The defence pacts that both the countries signed speak volumes since they come when India is at a crucial juncture of its fight against terror emerging from Pakistani soil. The four primary defence deals signed include: Developing a new version of the BrahMos missile, delivering Russia's most anti-missile defence systems called S-400 Triumpf, work-share agreement to make fifth generation fighter planes (FGFP) or perspective multi-role aircraft and finally, the production of Ka226T helicopters in India. The BrahMos deal will give India a miniature of the earlier ones already available in the country. This version will help India to reach out to the terror camps within a range of 300 kilometres. More importantly, it will have access to land, air and water. This will probably give a new dimension to India's counter-terror efforts. The S-400 Triumpf, which is Russia's most advanced air defence system, will help India restrict our hostile neighbours to operate within their air spaces.

    The agreement pertaining to the FGFP will enable India to get access to Russian technology for producing 100 such aircraft in India. Russia-based Rostec State Corporation is expected to set up joint production facilities in India for the Ka226T helicopters. Both the nations agreed to hold an annual military industrial conference which will allow stakeholders on both sides to institute and push for possible collaborations and will open up numerous fresh opportunities. The key defence deals signed between India and Russia once again buttress the enhanced bilateral cooperation. They highlight the important role Russia plays in India's defence research, development and cooperation. Russian President Vladimir Putin called India a “privileged strategic partner”. This is indeed true, regardless of India's growing proximity to America.

    Simultaneously, the growing bilateral cooperation in the field of energy means a lot for Indian public sector companies such as the Oil and Natural Gas Commission and the Indian Oil Corporation, which are already operating on a large scale in Russia. Besides, energy cooperation is something India is looking to tap on a large scale. Recognising the continued importance of Russia in our economic and strategic future, Prime Minister Narendra Modi referred to that country as “an old friend”, being “better than two new friends”. Both India and Russia, despite hiccups, are committed to sustaining the strong bonds they have shared over the decades — and this is just as well.

    http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/edit/indias-friend-for-ever.html

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    Russia and India may set up joint production of Il-114-300 plane

    Post  Pinto on Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:35 am

    It is a good aircraft that can be offered up for joint production, Rogozin said.

    The Ilyushin Il-114-300 project in the future can become a basis for setting up a Russian-Indian joint venture, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said at a meeting on aviation development. According to him, a pertinent presentation has already been prepared by the Ilyushin Design Bureau and forwarded to India.

    "We believe it is a good aircraft that can be offered up for joint production. At least, we will begin with assembling the aircraft on Indian territory, paving the way for its joint production in India and other countries," he said.

    At the same time, Rogozin stressed that in the beginning the project’s full-scale production should be set up in Russia. He said that upon the president’s instructions the work was being wrapped up and "soon a document will be put forward, containing a synchronized schedule on the purchase of aircraft for our air companies, and the production capacities as well."

    "We won’t encourage air companies to use foreign-made aircraft any more, if this sort of aircraft can be produced in Russia," Rogozin stated. "This is a tough restriction that we employ in order to protect our domestic market. We are a great aviation power and we should be ashamed of buying foreign aircraft for popular routes."

    He also said that the Ilyushin Il-114-300 aircraft should be of high-quality, "its flying characteristics and image should ensure its high demand domestically and even abroad," Rogozin added. The production of the plane is scheduled to start in 2019.

    First published by TASS.

    https://in.rbth.com/news/2016/10/18/russia-and-india-may-set-up-joint-production-of-il-114-300-plane_639915

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    We are an ally who stood by India in darkest hours: Russia

    Post  Pinto on Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:19 am

    Russia is eying the multi-billion dollar deal for P75-I project of India under which six conventional submarines are to be built with Air Independent Propulsion systems.

    With deals over USD 12 billion in kitty this month, including leasing of a second nuclear submarine, Russia hopes to bag more projects as it termed itself as not just a business partner but an “ally” who stood by India in its “darkest hours”. Russia is eying the multi-billion dollar deal for P75-I project of India under which six conventional submarines are to be built with Air Independent Propulsion systems and the next aircraft carrier project besides the deal to jointly develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft.

    Asserting that there is no limit to what India and Russia can do together, a top Russian defense official claimed the US and Europeans can never give what Moscow can and has offered. “We are ready not just to deliver most serious weapons, most important weapons but continue to give our state of art technology,” Sergei Chemezov, CEO of Rostec State Corporation, an umbrella organisation of 700 hi-tech civilian and military firms, told PTI.

    Watch| PM Modi, Prez Putin hold restricted talks ahead of BRICS

    “Russia is a friend, an ally and not a business partner. Russia stood by India during its darkest hours. Next year will mark 70 years of our relationship. It is a long time,” he said and noted that Russia had stood by India when it faced sanctions after the 1998 nuclear tests.

    “Not so in the recent past, when India was under sanctions, we were pretty much the only partner for India. “Russia has been a partner not only in every day military supplies but also most sensitive and most important supplies including a nuclear submarine which was rented to India for you to use,” said Chemezov who is also a close aide of Russian President Vladmir Putin.

    “Come to think about it, I would not imagine any other country to do that, he said. Not in the past or in the future. I cannot imagine US or Europe giving India such a strategic asset,” he said when asked about the tough competition that US and Europe are giving to Russia in the Indian defence market. Not only did Russia lease out a nuclear powered submarine, it actively helped in the building India’s first indigenous nuclear weapon carrying capable submarine INS Arihant which has been inducted into the Indian Navy.

    Chemezov said “it is a very special year for us and will be marked by major projects and things are starting already.” He, however, admitted that from a third person’s point of view, there might have been some decline in some areas of defense between the two countries. US and some European countries have managed to strike mega deals with India which the Russians were also competing for.

    “It is not a linear sort of relationship. We feel that ties are definitely developing and increasing,” he said. Giving example of the deadly BrahMos missile, Chemezov said that not only has Russia delivered high value equipment but has also collaborated with India on developing strategic assets.

    He pointed out that in late 1990s, Russia had transferred technology for Su30 MKI, India’s frontline fighter aircraft. “At that point of time, it was our most modern equipment, our most modern plane. When we had actually signed that agreement, Russia did not even equip its army with this.

    “This was basically our newest highest technology. That shows and speaks about our relationship with India,” he said. He also gave the example of T90 tanks, saying they are “not in anyway less but in many way, modern than any advanced US or European technologies”. He said there is scope for cooperation in the P75-I and the aircraft carrier project.

    “There is definitely scope for both of those. There is pretty much no limit to what we could do together. Anything that is within our realm of things and possibilities, means it is the same with India,” he said.

    Chemezov said that Russia has already submitted its proposals for both projects.


    http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ood-by-india-in-darkest-hours-russia-3098918/

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    India, Russia to hold talks on military ties today

    Post  Pinto on Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:32 am



    Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu will be arriving here and will co-chair a meeting of the Indo-Russian Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGCMTC) here today with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar.


    India and Russia will today hold detailed discussions on deeper military cooperations, especially on joint production of fifth generation fighter aircraft, upgradation of Su-30 MKI planes and firming up the contract for the S400 Triumf air defence system.


    Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu will be arriving here and will co-chair a meeting of the Indo-Russian Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGCMTC) here today with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar.


    The two will have restricted meeting followed by delegation-level talks, defence sources said. It was during a meeting of the commission in Moscow last year that both sides had firmed up plans to acquire the air defence system and other deals which were recently signed on the sidelines of the BRICS meet in Goa.


    Sergei Chemezov, CEO of Rostec State Corporation, a Russian umbrella organisation of 700 hi-tech civilian and military firms, had told PTI that they expect the agreement on fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to be finalise by this year end.


    After a hiatus of nearly a year, India and Russia had in February revived talks on the much delayed FGFA project after a clearance from Parrikar. Since then, a lot of issues related to work share, IPR and technology transfer among others have been sorted out between the two sides along with the monetary commitments.


    Under the new offer, India will have to pay about USD 3.7 billion, instead of USD 6 billion, for technological know-how and three prototypes of the fighters, the sources said. In 2010, India had agreed to pay USD 295 million towards the preliminary design of the fighter, called in India as Perspective Multi-role Fighter (PMF).


    The two sides are also expected to discuss the upgrade of SU-30 MKI, India's front line fighter aircraft. Russia is also eyeing the multi-billion dollar deal for P75-I project of India under which six conventional submarines are to be built with Air Independent Propulsion systems. With deals over USD 12 billion in kitty this month, including leasing of a second nuclear submarine, Russia hopes to bag more projects as it termed itself as not just a business partner but an "ally" who stood by India in its "darkest hours".

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    Russia, India further Bond Friendship Over Missiles and Submarines

    Post  Pinto on Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:46 am

    (Bloomberg) -- Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin have sought to correct a decade-long decline in their defense ties, reestablishing Moscow as New Delhi’s closest military partner.

    Putin and Modi on Oct. 15 inked four big ticket defense deals worth over $10 billion when they met in Goa earlier this month.

    Under the deals -- the commercial details of which were discussed on Wednesday in a closed door meeting between their defense ministers, according to India’s defense ministry -- Moscow will supply India with S-400 Triumf air defense missiles that Russia has previously exported only to China.

    It will also deliver four Admiral Grigorovich-class warships and build military helicopters through a joint venture in India.

    Minister of Defence Manohar Parrikar met with Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu in New Delhi, co-chairing an annual meeting of the Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation.
    The two discussed joint projects such as the fifth generation fighter aircraft and the upgrading of the Sukhoi combat plane in the Indian Air Force’s inventory. They also dealt with the establishment of agreements and joint ventures signed on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Goa, including the frigates and military helicopters.


    "Russia is India’s time tested and closest partner and it will continue to remain our primary defense partner," Parrikar told the meeting on Wednesday, according to the Ministry of Defence.


    If the cost negotiations for the S-400 missiles are completed within a year and the commercial deal is signed, they could be delivered in 2020, the ministry said.

    The $4-billion deal for the multi-purpose 4,000-tonne frigates involves building two in Russia, with the rest constructed in India under Modi’s “Make in India” project aimed at stimulating domestic manufacturing.

    Moscow has also agreed to lease a nuclear-powered submarine to India, according to Russian media reports. India’s navy has operated a Russian-origin nuclear-powered submarine of the same class since 2012 under a nearly $1 billion, 10-year lease.

    Even with such significant Russian investment, the U.S. remains the largest arms supplier to India with over $15 billion in orders in the last decade as well as a defense logistics agreement signed earlier this year.

    http://www.bloombergquint.com/business/2016/10/26/russia-india-deepen-friendship-over-missiles-and-submarines

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    India Russia to remain main defence ally: Manohar Parrikar

    Post  Pinto on Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:10 am

    Brushing aside Russian concerns that India may be drifting towards the US, particularly after the signing of the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement with the US providing access to Americans to Indian military bases, defence minister Manohar Parrikar said Indo-Russian friendship had stood the test of time.


    “Russia is India’s time-tested and closest partner and it will continue to remain our primary defence partner,” Parrikar said in his opening remarks at the 16th meeting of the India-Russia Intergovern-mental Commission on Military-Technical Co-operation (IRIGC-MTC).


    However, he sought a more focused military-to-military cooperation. “While our military technical cooperation is progressing well, I feel that the traditional military-to-military cooperation needs more focus. The pace and depth of our exchanges at the level of chiefs, training of personnel in each other’s institutions, joint military exercises between all armed forces should be enhanced.”


    On October 15, India and Russia signed 16 agreements on the sidelines of the Brics Summit in Goa which included supply of the powerful S-400 Triumf air defence systems, four new guided missile stealth frigates and setting up a joint venture to jointly manufacture Kamov 226T helicopters.


    But the Russian media had reported that what was not made public in the announcement was a $2 billion deal to lease a multipurpose Project 971 nuclear submarine to India from the Russian Navy. While Parrikar led the Indian side, his counterpart General Sergey Shoigu led the Russian delegation.


    The Russian media quoted Shoigu as saying that the two sides discussed issues pertaining to after-sales service of previously supplied military equipment.


    http://www.asianage.com/india/russia-remain-main-defence-ally-manohar-parrikar-222

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    Arming the giants: Russia's balancing act with India and China

    Post  Pinto on Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:15 am

    http://rbth.com/blogs/continental_drift/2016/11/01/arming-the-giants-russias-balancing-act-with-india-and-china_643971





    India is the world's biggest weapons importer, with the country's defense spending expected to cross a staggering $250 billion over the next decade. Russia expects to grab a sizable chunk of this pie by supplying high-performance fighter aircraft, submarines, missiles and aircraft carriers.

    Meanwhile, China is also stocking up on advanced Russian weapons in its bid to match U.S. military power in the Asia Pacific. As Moscow exports increasingly powerful weapons to New Delhi and Beijing, it will have to strike a balance so that neither side feels threatened or weakened by these acquisitions. Failure to do so could mean the loss of these two lucrative markets.

    To be sure, keeping the Asian giants happy won't be easy because both view each other as security threats. A 2014 survey conducted by the Pew Research Center showed 72 percent of Indians were concerned that territorial disputes between China and neighboring countries could lead to a military conflict. The majority public opinion in both countries is negative about each other.

    In the backdrop of this Asian rivalry, there is a competitive aspect to big-ticket weapons purchases from Russia. Since India and China have large military forces as well as huge land masses and air spaces to defend, their defense requirements are similar.

    Also, because the two have deep pockets they can afford to buy the very latest and most expensive weapons. The result is New Delhi and Beijing sometimes end up buying the same weapons such as the Sukhoi-27 jet fighter (and its variants), Mi-17 helicopter, Il-76 Ilyushin transport aircraft, and most lately the S-400 missile defense system.

    The purchase of similar high-end weapons by rival nations is a relatively new phenomenon. During the Cold War, the West and its allies bought weapons from NATO countries, while the East European countries and others on friendly terms with Moscow acquired Russian weapons. This neat demarcation has now disappeared. In a bid to defeat the West's economic sanctions and protect its market share, Moscow is willing to sell the crown jewels of its defense industry to China.

    Risk factor

    Since India and China are buying billions of dollars worth of weapons from Russia, they will have legitimate concerns about the possibility of classified data breach. This is not a farfetched scenario. After the recent leak of classified information about the French Scorpene, India has shelved plans to expand the order for these submarines. Considering that virtually everything about the inner working of these subs is now an open secret, India had no other option.

    With China and India now fielding the exact same Russian weapons, such fears will only grow. For instance, India has no guarantee that the strengths and weaknesses of its Sukhois haven't already been leaked to the Pakistan Air Force.

    The sale of the Su-35, Russia's most advanced non-stealth jet fighter, to China is another huge disrupter as it is half a generation ahead of India's Sukhois. Although Beijing has only ordered 24 aircraft, the Su-35 with its greater range, extreme maneuverability, firepower and part stealth characteristics, has the potential to influence the outcome of air combat if there's a war between India and China.

    Again, the announcement of the S-400 sale to India in October 2016 may have caused a lot of heartburn in Beijing. Two years ago, China had become the first export customer of the world's most potent air defense missile system. It is unlikely to view the Indian deal in favorable terms.

    Custom solutions

    In view of the Indian and Chinese fondness for its weapons, Russia can offer customized variants so both sides can sleep easy. Take the Su-27 (NATO code name Flanker). The super maneuverable aircraft is probably the most customized jet aircraft in history. China was the first foreign customer when it ordered the single-seat SK variant in 1992. In 2002, India placed the largest foreign order for 272 Su-30MKIs. These two-seat versions have greater combat range and superior payload.

    The Indian Sukhois have very little similarity with those in the Chinese inventory. India builds bare-bones fighters then equips them with Indian, Israeli and French sensors and communications gear. Says Strategy Page: "In many respects, the Indian-made Su-30MKI is the most capable version available, due to its Israeli and European electronics, and the well-trained Indian pilots."

    In fact, the Indian insistence on customizing advanced Russian aircraft has proved so successful that the Russian Air Force has based its latest Su-30SM on India's MKI derivative. Similarly, the air forces of Algeria, Malaysia and Vietnam have configured their jets as per local requirements and preferences, so each country has a customized Flanker fleet.

    Russia was initially resistant when India wanted to customize its Sukhois because it meant Russian subcontractors would lose out. However, the Indian effort eventually resulted in multiple foreign orders, which provided a major boost to Russia's aerospace industry. The 'open source' model, which offers considerable leeway for customization should be the way forward.

    No alternatives

    India decided to buy the S-400 knowing that China will be getting its hands on the missile system soon. If New Delhi was overly worried – or worried at all – it would have opted for U.S. (Patriot) or Israeli missiles.

    The key factor that would have influenced India is that the S-400 is the biggest and baddest air defense missile system in the world. Even if enemy pilots know its secrets, they still won't be able to evade it. (Its missiles travel at 10,000 mph, which is over eight times faster than the maximum speed of most fighter aircraft, giving enemy pilots very little time to react.) It is a measure of the fear these missiles evoke that the United States and Israel have urged Russia not to supply the much older S-300 system to Syria and Iran.

    Weapons such as the S-400 are not available from the United States or other Western countries. They are also difficult to copy. China has had the older S-300 for years, plus in 2010 Russia delivered 15 more batteries in a deal worth $2.5 billion.

    Reverse engineering being Beijing's stock in trade, it is an indicator of the complexity of the S-300 and China's inability to produce a decent knockoff of a three decades old Russian design. The fact that the Chinese have bought six S-400 systems for $3 billion suggests not all is hunky dory with the copycat HQ-9, which incidentally hasn't won a single export order.

    Moscow should, therefore, offer weapons that are unmatched or unavailable elsewhere. It should be the market of first resort for India and China.

    Upgrade options

    The shelf life and performance capabilities of weapons can be increased with upgrades. This is another option Russia has offered its customers. The Indian Air Force has at least 272 Sukhois and the number could well touch 300 with locally built Flankers being inducted at the rate of 12-18 per year to replace retiring MiGs. This is an extremely large number for such a high-end aircraft, and China's 24 Su-35s may only make a marginal impact in the balance of air power over the Himalayas. However, India is now going for the Super Sukhoi upgrade, which will considerably enhance the lethality of its Su-30MKI jets. This should neutralize the induction of the Su-35 by China.

    Rules of engagement

    Once weapons are offloaded from Russian cargo aircraft or ships, Moscow has zero control over them or how they will be used. A key reason why Russian weapons are gaining popularity globally is that Moscow does not believe in exercising control over usage. This is a sensible policy, which is different from the policy of the United States, which first sells weapons and then imposes sanctions during a conflict.

    Still, Russia can communicate privately that it will not sell weapons in the future if India and China use Russian weapons against each other. For instance, the S-400 is clearly intended to be used against American stealth fighters off China's east coast. It should not be deployed in the Himalayas against India. Secondly, Indian's S-400 batteries should only be deployed on the Pakistan border.

    Of course, during wars such rules will not apply, but if these are practiced during peacetime then there is less chance of escalation in tension.

    De-escalation

    Finally, Moscow should never forget that without the support from the two Asian countries, its defense industry would have been a pale shadow of its former self. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the consequent collapse of its command economy, Russia had lost most of its international weapons markets, including the captive East European ones. It was first China and later India, which revived the Russian defense bureaus with large orders.

    Looking at the larger strategic picture, Russia should get India and China to settle their border dispute so the two do not proceed on a collision course. Moscow has steered clear of the Himalayan standoff, perhaps because public opinion, especially in India, is not conducive for give and take on the border. But it can take baby steps in this area.

    The stakes are huge. India is one of the few countries in the world where defense spending is increasing year-on-year. Similarly, China's appetite for weapons shows no sign of satiety. The Indian and Chinese markets are therefore only Russia's to lose.

    This article originally appeared at Russia Beyond the Headlines.


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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:21 am

    India wants to buy 464 of the T-90MS

    Cant post link just yet. Article can be found on VPK.name

    As announced on 31 October 2016, the Indian version of the portal network "MailOnline" British newspaper "Daily Mail", the Indian army plans to buy 464 of the newest Russian tank T-90MS development of JSC "NPK "Uralvagonzavod". Discussing the contract with a value of 13488 crore rupees (about 2 billion U.S. dollars) must include an Assembly of tanks (apparently. part specified number) in the Indian enterprise Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi near Chennai.


    This purchase is approved by the high command of the Indian army, and soon must be approved by the Council for defence procurement, led by defence Minister of India Manohar parrikar of the.


    The acquisition of 464 tanks T-90MS will allow in a relatively short period of time (three to four years) to equip them ten tank regiments of the Indian army deployed on the Western border of India with Pakistan. Now, the Indian army has approximately 850 tanks T-90S tanks, which are equipped with 18 tank regiments.

    Review bmpd. As can be seen, the proposed purchase of India T-90MS initiated by the slow pace of license production at HVF in Avadi T-90S tanks. A total of three agreements with the Russian side India in 2001, 2006 and 2007, contracted 1657 T-90S tanks, of which 248 were supplied ready-made "Uralvagonzavod" (UVZ), 409 were collected in Avadi from Russian kits, and 1000 are manufactured there under license (with a planned period to 2020). However, given the fact that now the Indian army has only 850 T-90S tanks, it is obvious that during the licensed production since 2009, the factory HVF was able to produce only about 200 T-90S tanks, and, according to Indian sources by 2020 will be able to build no more than 400 tanks.


    Thus, to accelerate the replenishment of the tank Park, India again in 2007, will resort to direct purchase of tanks in Russia (now the new improved T-90ms), some of which, apparently, will come ready with Uralvagonzavod, and others - to gather HVF of the supply from DC kits.

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    Saudi Arabia vs Russia: How Rosneft's $13 billion Essar deal almost fell apart

    Post  Pinto on Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:37 am

    HIGHLIGHTS

    * Saudi state energy firm Aramco had also bid for Indian refiner Essar.

    * Rosneft-Essar deal was salvaged due to involvement of Putin and Modi
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    * The tussle for Essar shows growing battle for oil markets between Russia and Saudi Arabia.

    LONDON/NEW DELHI/MOSCOW: A multi-billion-dollar Russian deal to buy Indian refiner Essar was nearly sunk at the eleventh hour by a rival bid from Saudi Arabia as the two oil superpowers vie for supremacy across the world.


    The deal between Essar and a consortium led by Kremlin oil giant Rosneft appeared dead in the water two months ago after Saudi state energy firm Aramco weighed in, according to seven Russia, India and Saudi-based industry sources familiar with or involved in the negotiations.


    It was salvaged due to the involvement of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who were keen for it go through, and after the consortium agreed to pay $13 billion — more than double what Rosneft had initially valued Essar at, sources told Reuters.


    This made the refiner the biggest—ever foreign acquisition in India and Russia's largest outbound deal.
    The tussle for Essar — a state—of—the—art plant in the world's fastest—growing fuel market — illustrates the growing battle for oil markets between Russia and Saudi Arabia, the world's two largest crude exporters.


    It also sheds light on the challenges OPEC member Saudi Arabia and non—OPEC Russia — which are also fighting a proxy conflict in Syria's civil war — will face in trying to clinch a global agreement to limit output growth to prop up oil prices.


    The full details of how the Essar deal was struck remain unclear. Two industry sources said it was rescued thanks to the involvement of Putin and Modi while three other sources said Rosneft had simply outbid Saudi Aramco.


    Officials in Modi's office declined to comment while Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied there was any Kremlin intervention in the deal.


    "Naturally, we defend the interests of our companies. Of course we lobby for them, especially on such large deals," said Peskov, but added that in the case of Essar "there were no orders from the Kremlin".


    "It was a corporate decision by Rosneft to gain synergies via cooperation with India," he said.

    Rosneft and Saudi Aramco declined to comment.

    Essar said it had held discussions with several potential buyers but had gone with the Rosneft consortium because their offer was considered the most attractive. It denied there was any intervention from Putin or Modi.


    Showdown


    Rosneft boss Igor Sechin is keen to buy refining assets around the world to guarantee outlets for Russian oil. He had been negotiating since 2014 to buy 49 percent of Essar from its owners, Indian brothers Ravi and Shashi Ruia, and the two parties had been in exclusive talks since July 2015 when a preliminary deal was signed.
    While the exact amount Rosneft was prepared to offer for the stake at that stage is unclear, Russian and Indian industry sources said it valued the whole of Essar at about $5.7 billion.


    However it became apparent that there were problems with the deal in early September, when Sechin travelled to India to meet the Ruia brothers, flying from Hangzhou, China, where he had been part of Putin's G20 summit delegation.


    Sechin walked into the meeting with the Ruia brothers soon after landing in India at 1am, determined to close the deal, according to sources briefed on the discussions.

    As the meeting started, one of the brothers told Sechin the deal process had been going on for too long, the exclusivity period had expired in July and Essar was now talking to other parties.
    Those other parties included Saudi Aramco, he said.

    According to the sources familiar with how the meeting unfolded, Sechin responded by saying that if Essar walked away from the deal it risked losing Russian financial and oil—supply support.
    The Ruia brothers then said the talks with Rosneft were over and called an abrupt end to the meeting.

    "People started leaving the room, embarrassed," one of the sources said. Another source said the Essar management had drafted a statement to say the deal with Rosneft was off.

    Rosneft and Essar declined to comment on what transpired at the meeting, or on whether such a statement had existed. Sechin and the Ruia brothers could not be reached for comment.

    Three Saudi—based sources familiar with details of talks between Essar and Saudi Aramco said the firm was seriously considering buying Essar. One of the sources said Aramco was prepared to pay up to $9 billion for all or most of the refiner.
    Aramco declined to comment on whether it had made a bid.
    Too big to fail

    In the end, however, the Rosneft—Essar deal proved to be too big to fail.

    For India, a deal collapse or a delay because of talks with another party would set back Modi's drive to clean up India's $140 billion mountain of bad debt given Essar's multi—billion—dollar debts to local and foreign banks after years of rapid expansion.

    For Russia, the deal in the huge Indian market represented an important milestone in building a global oil empire despite Western sanctions imposed on Russia over its actions in Ukraine.

    Facing the Saudi competition, Rosneft formed a consortium that bought 98 per cent of the refiner plus a fuel terminal for $13 billion. The Kremlin oil firm bought 49 percent — below the 50 percent level that would have fallen foul of Western sanctions — with Swiss trading house Trafigura and Russian private investment group UCP buying the other 49 percent.

    According to the Indian and Russian industry sources, Rosneft and Essar returned to the negotiating table within days of the spat in early September, and the deal was finally struck.

    One of the sources said there was a fierce battle between Essar and Rosneft over the terms. They said the Russian—led consortium was forced to outbid the Saudi offer, which they said comprised a
    combination of cash, long—term low interest credit and oil supplies.
    Trafigura declined to comment on how the deal came together, while UCP did not reply to a written request asking for comment. Washington said the deal did not violate sanctions.

    The deal was signed in Mauritius on October 14, a day before a formal announcement on the sidelines of a BRICS summit in Goa where Putin and Modi met. The leaders also oversaw the signing of a raft of other transactions including India agreeing to pay $5 billion for Russian long—range air defence missile systems.

    Two industry sources said the Essar deal had first been discussed by Putin and Modi as far back as May 2014 on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, Russia's main investor show.

    It was unclear what form — if any — high—level government intervention might have taken after the September dispute.

    But the two sources said that without political will in Moscow and New Delhi, an agreement could not have been struck.

    "Putin and Modi saved that deal," said one.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/Saudi-Arabia-vs-Russia-How-Rosnefts-13-billion-Essar-deal-almost-fell-apart/articleshow/55449879.cms

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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:24 pm

    So Ukraine and Pakistan signed an agreement for $800M USD to service and upgrade Pakistan armored vehicles/tanks and Ukraine also sells Antonovs to India.  But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.  But even the most uneducated and stupid Indian should be able to tell how hypocritical their people, media and military are.  But then again, I do not put such people in high regards for obvious reason.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:25 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.

    Casual racism much? angry

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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:10 am

    I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.

    Smart enough to get helpdesk jobs with most western countries biggest companies... so when the dumb general public ring any western company for help they end up speaking to these so called not so bright people for advice... interesting...

    Be very careful what you say... I don't care what you think but some of the people I like the most on this forum happen to be Indian...

    Hope we are clear.


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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  jhelb on Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:40 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  

    I suspect Indians don't have problem with Ukraine selling arms to their arch enemy Pakistan is because Ukraine can only sell obsolete Soviet era weapon.However, Russia can sell cutting edge weapons to Pakistan. That's where rubber hits the road.

    Russia should sell weapons to Pakistan provided they do not ask for any subsidy something that they ask & receive from US and China.


    GarryB wrote:
    Smart enough to get helpdesk jobs with most western countries biggest companies... so when the dumb general public ring any western company for help they end up speaking to these so called not so bright people for advice... interesting...

    Most English speaking individuals especially in US, UK and Canada actually prefer locals at helpdesk jobs coz Indians have a totally different,thick accent that is difficult to understand.

    GarryB wrote:.... but some of the people I like the most on this forum happen to be Indian...

    Ofc you are here in this forum for a long time but the only guy from India who I see make some useful contribution in this forum is Austin.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:42 pm

    Austin is good in my books. But he is obviously from coastal area of India near Mumbai or south. If Austin is his name, then I assume he is Christian.

    Indian media is heavily owned by westerners and give obviously a huge bias in the media. But various officials are also useful idiots for the western governments and this is where problems are created for Russia.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:40 am

    Most English speaking individuals especially in US, UK and Canada actually prefer locals at helpdesk jobs coz Indians have a totally different,thick accent that is difficult to understand.

    Indeed they do but many large western companies still outsource their helpdesks to foreign countries with India being one of the most common.

    Ofc you are here in this forum for a long time but the only guy from India who I see make some useful contribution in this forum is Austin.

    Austin is one, Sujoy is another though he has not been active for a while. Pinto is another chap who contributes too.

    Austin is good in my books. But he is obviously from coastal area of India near Mumbai or south. If Austin is his name, then I assume he is Christian.

    Ahhh, so to be clear when you said all Indians are thick you were not meaning Native Americans, but non coastal non christian people from the second most populous country on the planet... just one billion or so?

    Well I can understand... half of voting age Americans that actually managed to vote voted for Clinton... nuff said.

    Everyone who disagrees with me is stupid as well... Razz

    Indian media is heavily owned by westerners and give obviously a huge bias in the media. But various officials are also useful idiots for the western governments and this is where problems are created for Russia.

    Yeah... so what you are saying is that the Media in India... is pretty much the same as the media in the US, or UK, or Australia, or New Zealand... or pretty much any where else in the western world and quite a few other places besides... thanks for sharing that new information. Razz


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    Re: Russia - India Strategic Relationship: News

    Post  Pinto on Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:So Ukraine and Pakistan signed an agreement for $800M USD to service and upgrade Pakistan armored vehicles/tanks and Ukraine also sells Antonovs to India.  But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.  But even the most uneducated and stupid Indian should be able to tell how hypocritical their people, media and military are.  But then again, I do not put such people in high regards for obvious reason.

    well very unfortunate and racist comments. i don't know you from Russia or which country but its hurting to see such comments in public forums.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:28 pm

    Pinto wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:So Ukraine and Pakistan signed an agreement for $800M USD to service and upgrade Pakistan armored vehicles/tanks and Ukraine also sells Antonovs to India.  But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.  But even the most uneducated and stupid Indian should be able to tell how hypocritical their people, media and military are.  But then again, I do not put such people in high regards for obvious reason.

    well very unfortunate and racist comments. i don't know you from Russia or which country but its hurting to see such comments in public forums.

    sorry, but your people, politicians and media show themselves for what they are. And only makes India a growing laughing stock in the eyes of China and Russia when it comes to these such cases. Makes Russians even become quite hateful towards Indians for their inherited back stabbing policies.  I know a few who think they should have had let US had their way with India in the 70'S.

    Personally, I don't care too much. It isn't like my country of Canada is any better. We have an idiot in power that's only experience before was a drama teacher and his dad was a loser who's wife couldn't stop getting the pork from musicians.  So I don't blame anyone who has an outright racist viewpoint of Canadians. I know I do of towards my own. But that is because I'm not uber patriot like many of you who like getting screwed by their own and made to look stupid in the eyes of the world, all the while defending it or ignoring the hypocrisy.

    Maybe you should try to say something or do something. But then again, you might just end up in jail or something cause of crooked cops. But hey, I don't have bad opinion on all Indians. I know my fare share who left due to problems back home and refuse to go back. I also talk regularly to the ones who work 6 out of the 7 days a week in tech support who admit being treated like slaves. I give them my sympathy and tell them things are getting worst in Canada so they don't feel so bad.

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