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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Benya on Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:10 pm

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    Benya wrote:Izvestiya: OAK says MiG-35 to begin state tests late summer, finish before 2017. Contract to be signed early 2017.

    Defense Ministry: is about to begin serial production of the latest MiG-35



    This is the most advanced aircraft in the family of "MiG", which is considered as a transitional stage to the fifth-generation fighter

    VKS Russian plan to buy new Russian light fighter MiG-35, which will soon go into serial production, said the Chief of the Military Space Forces Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.

    "Work on the MiG-35 are in full swing. Aircraft, I think, will soon become a series, and we have this aircraft will also buy "- Bondarev said.

    July 19, "Izvestia" reported that the United Aircraft Corporation at the end of the summer will begin flight tests of the MiG-35 fighters. Aircraft will be tested until 2017, said then Vice-President for Innovation and Sergei Korotkov said that after the tests can be contracted to serial delivery of the Ministry of Defence aircraft.

    MiG-35 is a multipurpose fighter generation 4 ++, which is an improved model of the MiG-29K / KUB and MiG-29M / M2 and is considered as a transitional stage to the fifth-generation fighter. He is the most perfect in the family of fighters, developed by the Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG". The aircraft is equipped with electronic equipment, which allows the use of all means of destruction of aircraft.

    The armament of the MiG-35 aircraft entered advanced weapons, not previously offered for export, according to the Ministry of Defense reported.


    Original article (in russian)
    Arrow http://izvestia.ru/news/626863#ixzz4HFb2yZ8K

    The plane is actually already well tested with MiG-29M/M2 and MiG-29K/KUB, all they need to test is the new equipment in the plane and weapon integration, so this could really be done in short period of time, so serial production in 2017 is not impossible.

    In that time Russia will most probably officially recognize Novorussia (DNR/LNR), specially if Ukraine start a new war and MiG-35 Will be ideal multirole fighter for Novorussian air force as they Will not need big Su-30 or Su-35 as even whole southeastern Novorussian territory is not that big to need big Flankers. For the start a regiment of two squadrons would be quite enough for their needs. There is a good question, how many ex-Ukrainian MiG-29 pilots remain in Crimea as they could be the base of Novorussian air force fighter pilots and instructors for new young pilots.

    Well, if they would be recognized, I think that both the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (or Novorossiya as a whole) would be parts of the Russian Federation like the Republic of Chenchnya, Adygea, Buryatia and so on. They would not require a separated air force, but Russian Army and Air Force troops could be stationed there, but I think that is a different topic.

    MiG-29s are already stationed at Kursk (98 km from Russian-Ukrainian border) and at Millerovo (Voronezh region, a mere 38 kilometers from the border), while Su-25 CAS planes are stationed at Buturlinovka and at Borisoglebsk (both at Voronezh region, 144 and 245 kilometers from the border, so in case of another Russo-Ukrainian war, aircraft of these bases would play the main role in the aerial supression of the conflict
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:47 pm

    Benya wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Benya wrote:Izvestiya: OAK says MiG-35 to begin state tests late summer, finish before 2017. Contract to be signed early 2017.

    Defense Ministry: is about to begin serial production of the latest MiG-35



    This is the most advanced aircraft in the family of "MiG", which is considered as a transitional stage to the fifth-generation fighter

    VKS Russian plan to buy new Russian light fighter MiG-35, which will soon go into serial production, said the Chief of the Military Space Forces Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.

    "Work on the MiG-35 are in full swing. Aircraft, I think, will soon become a series, and we have this aircraft will also buy "- Bondarev said.

    July 19, "Izvestia" reported that the United Aircraft Corporation at the end of the summer will begin flight tests of the MiG-35 fighters. Aircraft will be tested until 2017, said then Vice-President for Innovation and Sergei Korotkov said that after the tests can be contracted to serial delivery of the Ministry of Defence aircraft.

    MiG-35 is a multipurpose fighter generation 4 ++, which is an improved model of the MiG-29K / KUB and MiG-29M / M2 and is considered as a transitional stage to the fifth-generation fighter. He is the most perfect in the family of fighters, developed by the Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG". The aircraft is equipped with electronic equipment, which allows the use of all means of destruction of aircraft.

    The armament of the MiG-35 aircraft entered advanced weapons, not previously offered for export, according to the Ministry of Defense reported.


    Original article (in russian)
    Arrow http://izvestia.ru/news/626863#ixzz4HFb2yZ8K

    The plane is actually already well tested with MiG-29M/M2 and MiG-29K/KUB, all they need to test is the new equipment in the plane and weapon integration, so this could really be done in short period of time, so serial production in 2017 is not impossible.

    In that time Russia will most probably officially recognize Novorussia (DNR/LNR), specially if Ukraine start a new war and MiG-35 Will be ideal multirole fighter for Novorussian air force as they Will not need big Su-30 or Su-35 as even whole southeastern Novorussian territory is not that big to need big Flankers. For the start a regiment of two squadrons would be quite enough for their needs. There is a good question, how many ex-Ukrainian MiG-29 pilots remain in Crimea as they could be the base of Novorussian air force fighter pilots and instructors for new young pilots.

    Well, if they would be recognized, I think that both the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (or Novorossiya as a whole) would be parts of the Russian Federation like the Republic of Chenchnya, Adygea, Buryatia and so on. They would not require a separated air force, but Russian Army and Air Force troops could be stationed there, but I think that is a different topic.

    MiG-29s are already stationed at Kursk (98 km from Russian-Ukrainian border) and at Millerovo (Voronezh region, a mere 38 kilometers from the border), while Su-25 CAS planes are stationed at Buturlinovka and at Borisoglebsk (both at Voronezh region, 144 and 245 kilometers from the border, so in case of another Russo-Ukrainian war, aircraft of these bases would play the main role in the aerial supression of the conflict

    No, in case of recognition, they will be recognized as independent state like South Ossetia and Abkhazia and will not be part of Russian Federation. As independent state, Novorussia or DNR/LNR will need their own air force as well as navy, although not large in size. In case Novorussia will grow to whole SE Ukraine from Odessa to Kharkov, than their need in air force and navy will grow to protect longer coast and larger air space. Anyway, for their need combination of MiG-35 and Yak-130 or SR-10 will be more than enough.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Benya on Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:30 pm

    medo wrote:

    No, in case of recognition, they will be recognized as independent state like South Ossetia and Abkhazia and will not be part of Russian Federation. As independent state, Novorussia or DNR/LNR will need their own air force as well as navy, although not large in size. In case Novorussia will grow to whole SE Ukraine from Odessa to Kharkov, than their need in air force and navy will grow to protect longer coast and larger air space. Anyway, for their need combination of MiG-35 and Yak-130 or SR-10 will be more than enough.

    Well, at least half of the Donbass region's population is ethnic russian, so it would make sense if they would be annexed by Russia, but again, this is highly off-topic, and there are existing discussions about this.

    And again, why do you think that both regions need an air force? These are self-proclaimed republics, (at the moment) even Russia does not recognize them as independent states. Their governments does not have Ministries of Defense, so they cannot sign defense related contracts with any foerign country. Their militaries are made up from rebels and volunteers.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:04 pm

    Benya wrote:Well, at least half of the Donbass region's population is ethnic russian, so it would make sense if they would be annexed by Russia, but again, this is highly off-topic, and there are existing discussions about this.

    And again, why do you think that both regions need an air force? These are self-proclaimed republics, (at the moment) even Russia does not recognize them as independent states. Their governments does not have Ministries of Defense, so they cannot sign defense related contracts with any foerign country. Their militaries are made up from rebels and volunteers.

    Two years ago they were just people who refuse madness of Kiev junta. Now they are more or less a state with their regular state army, who defend itself against Ukrainian nazi regime. With new war, Russia will recognize them and than they could make contracts with recognized independent state. Strong Novorussia is also a good buffer on western Russian border.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:12 am

    The plane is actually already well tested with MiG-29M/M2 and MiG-29K/KUB, all they need to test is the new equipment in the plane and weapon integration, so this could really be done in short period of time, so serial production in 2017 is not impossible.

    Well, the air frame and aerodynamics are fully tested, but individual systems tests and then integration testing takes time too... don't want to end up like the B-1B where its jamming system disabled its own systems including navigation...

    In that time Russia will most probably officially recognize Novorussia (DNR/LNR), specially if Ukraine start a new war and MiG-35 Will be ideal multirole fighter for Novorussian air force as they Will not need big Su-30 or Su-35 as even whole southeastern Novorussian territory is not that big to need big Flankers.

    I rather doubt this... the Russians will get the MiG-35 into Russian service first and perhaps sell modifications to countries like Algeria and Egypt... depending upon who wants it, but I rather doubt they will go into the Ukraine mess like that.


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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:59 am

    http://ria.ru/tv_defense_safety/20160819/1474759263.html

    Assembly of MiG-35 for ministry of defense. Guess first batch to be tested for the RuAF.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:50 am

    A video filmed from the cockpit of a MiG-29SMT fighter jet engaged in a mock dogfight was recently released by the press service of Russia’s Western Military District.



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    Post  Isos on Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:09 pm

    Mig 29 lunching anti radar Kh-31

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:35 pm

    interesting.. i had the impression that old MiG-29s didnt have air-to-ground capability


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:14 pm

    George1 wrote:interesting.. i had the impression that old MiG-29s didnt have air-to-ground capability

    Kh-31P probably, inertial guidance with passive radar in terminal phase, you can launch it from anything basically.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:44 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://ria.ru/tv_defense_safety/20160819/1474759263.html

    Assembly of MiG-35 for ministry of defense.  Guess first batch to be tested for the RuAF.

    any news on MiG-35 as a basis for new MiG light fighter?

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:19 am

    George1 wrote:interesting.. i had the impression that old MiG-29s didnt have air-to-ground capability
    You are right. Old Mig-29s can not fire Kh-31P. I think that was upgraded one that equipped internal or external targeting complex for anti-radiation missiles like Kh-31P and Kh-58.

    Militarov wrote:Kh-31P probably, inertial guidance with passive radar in terminal phase, you can launch it from anything basically.
    Kh-31P still need target position provided by internal or external targeting complex that non-upgraded Mig-29s don't have.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:01 am

    AFAIK the MiG-29S (sometimes called MiG-29C) has the Gardenyia EW system in an internal mounting system which should allow the use of ARMs like Kh-31 and Kh-25MP and of course Kh-58.


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:48 am

    GarryB wrote:AFAIK the MiG-29S (sometimes called MiG-29C) has the Gardenyia EW system in an internal mounting system which should allow the use of ARMs like Kh-31 and Kh-25MP and of course Kh-58.
    Did you mean the Mig-29 9-13 1with Gardenyia placed in enlarged dorsal? As I know Gardenyia did not have the function to find out & provide coordinate of radiation targets to the automatic fligh control system of anti-radiation missiles like Kh-31P and Kh-58. At that time, for SEAD missions, Mig-27 and Su-17 had to equip Vjuga targeting pod for Kh-58/Kh-27PS or Progress targeting pod for Kh-31P while Su-24M used the L-080/L-0821 Fantasmagoria-A/B targeting pods for Kh-58/Kh-31P.

    The Mig-29 that fired Kh-31P missile we saw in the video surely had been upgraded with L-150 Pastel RWR that has function to find out & feed target information for anti-radiation missiles.
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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:39 pm

    As far as I know MiG-29S is equipped with Pastel RWR, which could program antiradar missiles. But in video, I think it is MiG-29SMT.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:53 am

    Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?


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    Post  medo on Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?

    No one could tell as R-27R/ER, R-27EA and R-27P/EP are the same outside.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:09 am

    GarryB wrote:Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?
    I read somewheres, Mig-29 can fire Kh-27P/EP. Even there was a tactic when Mig-29 fire Kh-27P/EP to F-15 that is lockung radar on target for AIM-7 missile's seeker homing on.

    I still think that those R-27P/EP were provided target coordinate as well as mid-course guided by N019 radar, not Spo-15 RWR that replaced by L-150 Pastel RWR in latter upgraded versions such as Mig-29SM/SMT.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:33 am

    The R-27P/EP was a simple home on signal ARM it was designed specially to attack radar targets emitting continuously like the nose radar in a US fighter guiding a Sparrow missile.

    If the US radar broke lock the Sparrow would not reaquire and would go dumb and hit the ground. If it kept lock it risked the fact that the R-27 was a faster longer ranged missile that would hit the US aircraft likely before the sparrow hit its target... unless the target was much closer than the aircraft launching the R-27 was.

    The idea was that a MiG-29 could fire one R-27R at an F-15 and if the F-15 fired a Sparrow in return the MiG-29 could fire an R-27P... one average chance of a kill and one better than average chance of a kill.

    Note early model MiG-29s could not carry the long range model R-27s or the IR guided model R-27s... only the R-27R and R-27P and R-73s.

    The Su-27s on the other hand could carry all models.

    NATO countries go on about how potent the R-73 would have been but I think they really do underestimate the value of the passive homing R-27s as the immediate response to losing lots of aircraft to R-73s would have been to rely on BVR combat... and in the 1980s that would have meant Sparrows... and in that case the R-27EP would have been especially deadly with its longer range and much higher speed over any model Sparrow...


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    Post  franco on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:24 am

    Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:33 am

    franco wrote:Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

    Excellent!!


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:45 am

    franco wrote:Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

    About damn time.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:25 pm

    Just watching about motors and comparing rafale and mig 35.

    Key publishing wrote:Su-35BM: 39.6% ~ 41.1%(Empty weight: 16,500 ~ 17,500 kg,Internal fuel: 11,500 kg)

    MIG-31: 39.4%(Empty weight: 21,825 kg,Internal fuel: 14,200 kg)

    F-35A: 38.9%(Empty weight: 13,170 kg,Internal fuel: 8,382 kg)

    F-35C: 38.5%(Empty weight: 14,548 kg,Internal fuel: 9,111 kg)

    Su-30MK: 34.9%(Empty weight: 17,700 kg,Internal fuel: 9,500 kg)

    Rafale: 31.4% ~ 33.6%(Empty weight: 9,500 ~ 10,220 kg,Internal fuel: 4,680 ~ 4,800 kg)

    F-18E: 32.2%(Empty weight: 14,288 kg,Internal fuel: 6,780 kg)

    EF-2K: 30.9%(Empty weight: 11,150 kg,Internal fuel: 4,996 kg)

    JAS-39NG: 30.6%(Empty weight: 7,100 kg,Internal fuel: 3,130 kg)

    F-35B: 30.3%(Empty weight: 14,588 kg,Internal fuel: 6,352 kg)

    F-22A: 29.3%(Empty weight: 19,660 kg,Internal fuel: 8,165 kg)

    MIG-35: 28.6%(Empty weight: 12,000 kg,Internal fuel: 4,800 kg)

    Tejas: 27.0%(Empty weight: 6,500 kg,Internal fuel: 2,400 kg)

    JF-17: 26.3%(Empty weight: 6,450 kg,Internal fuel: 2,300 kg)

    JAS-39C: 25.0%(Empty weight: 6,800 kg,Internal fuel: 2,268 kg)

    F-CK-1A: 24.5%(Empty weight: 6,492 kg,Internal fuel: 2,111 kg)

    Rd-33 consume 75 kg/(kN·h) (0.77 lb/(lbf·h)) dry, 188 kg/(kN·h) (1.85 lb/(lbf·h)) while Snecma M88-2 consume 0.80 kg/daN·h (0.78 lbm/lbf·h) (dry), 1.75 kg/daN·h (1.72 lbm/lbf·hr) (wet/afterburning).

    Not sure abou the numbers.

    With the same fuel capacities, Mig-35 has better results. Too bad they didn't increased the number of hardpoints before presenting it to India, so it could use more fuel tanks and targeting pods, guided bombs, like we can see on western fighters.

    Chinese and Swedish however loses hard.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:16 am

    The original RD-33 had a fuel consumption of .74 in dry thrust... I would expect the engine they put in the MiG-35 is rather better performing...

    Those figures above are fuel fraction... which is really not that important with inflight refuelling and the capacity to carry drop tanks.


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    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:08 am

    MiG-35 will have a new radar, capable of tracking up to 30 targets

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2016/11/01/399191.html

    Concern "Radio-electronic technology" (KRET) has developed the latest airborne radar "Zhuk-AME" active phased array, which allows fighters MiG-35 accompanied by 30 targets and simultaneously affect up to six of them, the press service of the concern.

    "Concern" Radio-electronic technology "has developed a promising multi-function on-board radar" Zhuk-AME "active phased array for the MiG family. The new radar allows air combat beyond the line of sight, accompanied by 30 targets simultaneously and hit six of them in the air and and four on the ground, "- said in a statement KRET.

    With the company specified that new radar enables execution of combat missions in the most adverse weather conditions, as well as in the case of electronic countermeasures.

    "The upgraded on-board radar" Zhuk "has already received a certificate of export shape it is in many ways superior to competitors in the tactical and technical characteristics and is designed for installation on the promising aircraft of the new generation, including the MiG-35 fighter." - Said the first deputy general director KRET Igor Nasenkov .

    It is noted that the active phased array can increase the detection range of up to 160 kilometers, while working in the "air-air" and "air-land", to recognize and classify group and single objects simultaneously attack several targets high-precision weapons, and send data on the tactical situation on other planes and carry electronic countermeasures.

    MiG-35 (NATO codification "Fulcrum F" - the pivot point) - promising Russian multi-purpose fighter generation "4 ++", which is now being tested. 2020 VCS must get 30 of these machines.

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