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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:12 am

    The plane is actually already well tested with MiG-29M/M2 and MiG-29K/KUB, all they need to test is the new equipment in the plane and weapon integration, so this could really be done in short period of time, so serial production in 2017 is not impossible.

    Well, the air frame and aerodynamics are fully tested, but individual systems tests and then integration testing takes time too... don't want to end up like the B-1B where its jamming system disabled its own systems including navigation...

    In that time Russia will most probably officially recognize Novorussia (DNR/LNR), specially if Ukraine start a new war and MiG-35 Will be ideal multirole fighter for Novorussian air force as they Will not need big Su-30 or Su-35 as even whole southeastern Novorussian territory is not that big to need big Flankers.

    I rather doubt this... the Russians will get the MiG-35 into Russian service first and perhaps sell modifications to countries like Algeria and Egypt... depending upon who wants it, but I rather doubt they will go into the Ukraine mess like that.


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:59 am

    http://ria.ru/tv_defense_safety/20160819/1474759263.html

    Assembly of MiG-35 for ministry of defense. Guess first batch to be tested for the RuAF.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:50 am

    A video filmed from the cockpit of a MiG-29SMT fighter jet engaged in a mock dogfight was recently released by the press service of Russia’s Western Military District.



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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Isos on Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:09 pm

    Mig 29 lunching anti radar Kh-31


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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:35 pm

    interesting.. i had the impression that old MiG-29s didnt have air-to-ground capability


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:14 pm

    George1 wrote:interesting.. i had the impression that old MiG-29s didnt have air-to-ground capability

    Kh-31P probably, inertial guidance with passive radar in terminal phase, you can launch it from anything basically.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:44 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://ria.ru/tv_defense_safety/20160819/1474759263.html

    Assembly of MiG-35 for ministry of defense.  Guess first batch to be tested for the RuAF.

    any news on MiG-35 as a basis for new MiG light fighter?

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:19 am

    George1 wrote:interesting.. i had the impression that old MiG-29s didnt have air-to-ground capability
    You are right. Old Mig-29s can not fire Kh-31P. I think that was upgraded one that equipped internal or external targeting complex for anti-radiation missiles like Kh-31P and Kh-58.

    Militarov wrote:Kh-31P probably, inertial guidance with passive radar in terminal phase, you can launch it from anything basically.
    Kh-31P still need target position provided by internal or external targeting complex that non-upgraded Mig-29s don't have.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:01 am

    AFAIK the MiG-29S (sometimes called MiG-29C) has the Gardenyia EW system in an internal mounting system which should allow the use of ARMs like Kh-31 and Kh-25MP and of course Kh-58.


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:48 am

    GarryB wrote:AFAIK the MiG-29S (sometimes called MiG-29C) has the Gardenyia EW system in an internal mounting system which should allow the use of ARMs like Kh-31 and Kh-25MP and of course Kh-58.
    Did you mean the Mig-29 9-13 1with Gardenyia placed in enlarged dorsal? As I know Gardenyia did not have the function to find out & provide coordinate of radiation targets to the automatic fligh control system of anti-radiation missiles like Kh-31P and Kh-58. At that time, for SEAD missions, Mig-27 and Su-17 had to equip Vjuga targeting pod for Kh-58/Kh-27PS or Progress targeting pod for Kh-31P while Su-24M used the L-080/L-0821 Fantasmagoria-A/B targeting pods for Kh-58/Kh-31P.

    The Mig-29 that fired Kh-31P missile we saw in the video surely had been upgraded with L-150 Pastel RWR that has function to find out & feed target information for anti-radiation missiles.

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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:39 pm

    As far as I know MiG-29S is equipped with Pastel RWR, which could program antiradar missiles. But in video, I think it is MiG-29SMT.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:53 am

    Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?


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    Post  medo on Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?

    No one could tell as R-27R/ER, R-27EA and R-27P/EP are the same outside.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:09 am

    GarryB wrote:Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?
    I read somewheres, Mig-29 can fire Kh-27P/EP. Even there was a tactic when Mig-29 fire Kh-27P/EP to F-15 that is lockung radar on target for AIM-7 missile's seeker homing on.

    I still think that those R-27P/EP were provided target coordinate as well as mid-course guided by N019 radar, not Spo-15 RWR that replaced by L-150 Pastel RWR in latter upgraded versions such as Mig-29SM/SMT.

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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:33 am

    The R-27P/EP was a simple home on signal ARM it was designed specially to attack radar targets emitting continuously like the nose radar in a US fighter guiding a Sparrow missile.

    If the US radar broke lock the Sparrow would not reaquire and would go dumb and hit the ground. If it kept lock it risked the fact that the R-27 was a faster longer ranged missile that would hit the US aircraft likely before the sparrow hit its target... unless the target was much closer than the aircraft launching the R-27 was.

    The idea was that a MiG-29 could fire one R-27R at an F-15 and if the F-15 fired a Sparrow in return the MiG-29 could fire an R-27P... one average chance of a kill and one better than average chance of a kill.

    Note early model MiG-29s could not carry the long range model R-27s or the IR guided model R-27s... only the R-27R and R-27P and R-73s.

    The Su-27s on the other hand could carry all models.

    NATO countries go on about how potent the R-73 would have been but I think they really do underestimate the value of the passive homing R-27s as the immediate response to losing lots of aircraft to R-73s would have been to rely on BVR combat... and in the 1980s that would have meant Sparrows... and in that case the R-27EP would have been especially deadly with its longer range and much higher speed over any model Sparrow...


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  franco on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:24 am

    Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:33 am

    franco wrote:Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

    Excellent!!


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:45 am

    franco wrote:Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

    About damn time.

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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:25 pm

    Just watching about motors and comparing rafale and mig 35.

    Key publishing wrote:Su-35BM: 39.6% ~ 41.1%(Empty weight: 16,500 ~ 17,500 kg,Internal fuel: 11,500 kg)

    MIG-31: 39.4%(Empty weight: 21,825 kg,Internal fuel: 14,200 kg)

    F-35A: 38.9%(Empty weight: 13,170 kg,Internal fuel: 8,382 kg)

    F-35C: 38.5%(Empty weight: 14,548 kg,Internal fuel: 9,111 kg)

    Su-30MK: 34.9%(Empty weight: 17,700 kg,Internal fuel: 9,500 kg)

    Rafale: 31.4% ~ 33.6%(Empty weight: 9,500 ~ 10,220 kg,Internal fuel: 4,680 ~ 4,800 kg)

    F-18E: 32.2%(Empty weight: 14,288 kg,Internal fuel: 6,780 kg)

    EF-2K: 30.9%(Empty weight: 11,150 kg,Internal fuel: 4,996 kg)

    JAS-39NG: 30.6%(Empty weight: 7,100 kg,Internal fuel: 3,130 kg)

    F-35B: 30.3%(Empty weight: 14,588 kg,Internal fuel: 6,352 kg)

    F-22A: 29.3%(Empty weight: 19,660 kg,Internal fuel: 8,165 kg)

    MIG-35: 28.6%(Empty weight: 12,000 kg,Internal fuel: 4,800 kg)

    Tejas: 27.0%(Empty weight: 6,500 kg,Internal fuel: 2,400 kg)

    JF-17: 26.3%(Empty weight: 6,450 kg,Internal fuel: 2,300 kg)

    JAS-39C: 25.0%(Empty weight: 6,800 kg,Internal fuel: 2,268 kg)

    F-CK-1A: 24.5%(Empty weight: 6,492 kg,Internal fuel: 2,111 kg)

    Rd-33 consume 75 kg/(kN·h) (0.77 lb/(lbf·h)) dry, 188 kg/(kN·h) (1.85 lb/(lbf·h)) while Snecma M88-2 consume 0.80 kg/daN·h (0.78 lbm/lbf·h) (dry), 1.75 kg/daN·h (1.72 lbm/lbf·hr) (wet/afterburning).

    Not sure abou the numbers.

    With the same fuel capacities, Mig-35 has better results. Too bad they didn't increased the number of hardpoints before presenting it to India, so it could use more fuel tanks and targeting pods, guided bombs, like we can see on western fighters.

    Chinese and Swedish however loses hard.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:16 am

    The original RD-33 had a fuel consumption of .74 in dry thrust... I would expect the engine they put in the MiG-35 is rather better performing...

    Those figures above are fuel fraction... which is really not that important with inflight refuelling and the capacity to carry drop tanks.


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:08 am

    MiG-35 will have a new radar, capable of tracking up to 30 targets

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2016/11/01/399191.html

    Concern "Radio-electronic technology" (KRET) has developed the latest airborne radar "Zhuk-AME" active phased array, which allows fighters MiG-35 accompanied by 30 targets and simultaneously affect up to six of them, the press service of the concern.

    "Concern" Radio-electronic technology "has developed a promising multi-function on-board radar" Zhuk-AME "active phased array for the MiG family. The new radar allows air combat beyond the line of sight, accompanied by 30 targets simultaneously and hit six of them in the air and and four on the ground, "- said in a statement KRET.

    With the company specified that new radar enables execution of combat missions in the most adverse weather conditions, as well as in the case of electronic countermeasures.

    "The upgraded on-board radar" Zhuk "has already received a certificate of export shape it is in many ways superior to competitors in the tactical and technical characteristics and is designed for installation on the promising aircraft of the new generation, including the MiG-35 fighter." - Said the first deputy general director KRET Igor Nasenkov .

    It is noted that the active phased array can increase the detection range of up to 160 kilometers, while working in the "air-air" and "air-land", to recognize and classify group and single objects simultaneously attack several targets high-precision weapons, and send data on the tactical situation on other planes and carry electronic countermeasures.

    MiG-35 (NATO codification "Fulcrum F" - the pivot point) - promising Russian multi-purpose fighter generation "4 ++", which is now being tested. 2020 VCS must get 30 of these machines.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:32 pm

    JANES: Airshow China 2016: Russia unveils new AESA radar for MiG-35 fighter

    http://www.janes.com/article/65271/airshow-china-2016-russia-unveils-new-aesa-radar-for-mig-35-fighter

    Russia's Fazotron-NIIR Corporation (a subsidiary of the KRET Concern) has developed a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the Mikoyan MiG-29/35 ('Fulcrum') multirole fighter.



    The radar, the Zhuk-AMEh, was unveiled at the Airshow China 2016 aerospace exhibition, held in Zhunhai from 1 to 6 November.

    The Zhuk-AMEh can track up to 30 targets and can simultaneously attack up to six aerial and four ground targets, a Russian defence industry source told IHS Jane's at Airshow China.

    "The jam-resistant radar works even in the harshest climatic conditions and contested areas. The Zhuk-AMEh can detect enemy targets in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes synchronically, identify and track both single and group targets, attack several objects with high-precision munitions, transfer acquired data to other aircraft, and conduct electronic warfare," the source said.

    "The receivers and transmitters of the Zhuk-AMEh have been manufactured by LTCC [low-temperature co-fired ceramic] technologies," the source continued, adding, "They are installed on lightweight ceramic plates that allow the AESA a width reduction of 10 cm [with power sources and control elements]. The radar is comprised of three units, namely the AESA radar, a processing unit, and a composer."

    The capabilities of the Zhuk-AMEh have been improved by 50% compared with previously developed variants of the Zhuk radar. "At present, a MiG-29 fighter can detect an aerial target at 180 km," the source said, "while the Zhuk-AMEh increases this range to 260 km."

    The source added that the new radar weighs about 100 kg and has received a certificate that enables it to be exported.

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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  marcellogo on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:32 pm

    Isos wrote:Just watching about motors and comparing rafale and mig 35.

    Key publishing wrote:Su-35BM: 39.6% ~ 41.1%(Empty weight: 16,500 ~ 17,500 kg,Internal fuel: 11,500 kg)

    MIG-31: 39.4%(Empty weight: 21,825 kg,Internal fuel: 14,200 kg)

    F-35A: 38.9%(Empty weight: 13,170 kg,Internal fuel: 8,382 kg)

    F-35C: 38.5%(Empty weight: 14,548 kg,Internal fuel: 9,111 kg)

    Su-30MK: 34.9%(Empty weight: 17,700 kg,Internal fuel: 9,500 kg)

    Rafale: 31.4% ~ 33.6%(Empty weight: 9,500 ~ 10,220 kg,Internal fuel: 4,680 ~ 4,800 kg)

    F-18E: 32.2%(Empty weight: 14,288 kg,Internal fuel: 6,780 kg)

    EF-2K: 30.9%(Empty weight: 11,150 kg,Internal fuel: 4,996 kg)

    JAS-39NG: 30.6%(Empty weight: 7,100 kg,Internal fuel: 3,130 kg)

    F-35B: 30.3%(Empty weight: 14,588 kg,Internal fuel: 6,352 kg)

    F-22A: 29.3%(Empty weight: 19,660 kg,Internal fuel: 8,165 kg)

    MIG-35: 28.6%(Empty weight: 12,000 kg,Internal fuel: 4,800 kg)

    Tejas: 27.0%(Empty weight: 6,500 kg,Internal fuel: 2,400 kg)

    JF-17: 26.3%(Empty weight: 6,450 kg,Internal fuel: 2,300 kg)

    JAS-39C: 25.0%(Empty weight: 6,800 kg,Internal fuel: 2,268 kg)

    F-CK-1A: 24.5%(Empty weight: 6,492 kg,Internal fuel: 2,111 kg)

    Rd-33 consume 75 kg/(kN·h) (0.77 lb/(lbf·h)) dry, 188 kg/(kN·h) (1.85 lb/(lbf·h)) while Snecma M88-2 consume 0.80 kg/daN·h (0.78 lbm/lbf·h) (dry), 1.75 kg/daN·h (1.72 lbm/lbf·hr) (wet/afterburning).

    Not sure abou the numbers.

    With the same fuel capacities, Mig-35 has better results. Too bad they didn't increased the number of hardpoints before presenting it to India, so it could use more fuel tanks and targeting pods, guided bombs, like we can see on western fighters.

    Chinese and Swedish however loses hard.
    Some numbers there seems me completely different from what was reported in other sources.
    Mig-31 carry surely more fuel than that, same MiG-35 while Su-35 weight more than 18.000kg.

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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:19 pm

    Austin wrote:JANES: Airshow China 2016: Russia unveils new AESA radar for MiG-35 fighter

    http://www.janes.com/article/65271/airshow-china-2016-russia-unveils-new-aesa-radar-for-mig-35-fighter

    Russia's Fazotron-NIIR Corporation (a subsidiary of the KRET Concern) has developed a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the Mikoyan MiG-29/35 ('Fulcrum') multirole fighter.



    The radar, the Zhuk-AMEh, was unveiled at the Airshow China 2016 aerospace exhibition, held in Zhunhai from 1 to 6 November.

    The Zhuk-AMEh can track up to 30 targets and can simultaneously attack up to six aerial and four ground targets, a Russian defence industry source told IHS Jane's at Airshow China.

    "The jam-resistant radar works even in the harshest climatic conditions and contested areas. The Zhuk-AMEh can detect enemy targets in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes synchronically, identify and track both single and group targets, attack several objects with high-precision munitions, transfer acquired data to other aircraft, and conduct electronic warfare," the source said.

    "The receivers and transmitters of the Zhuk-AMEh have been manufactured by LTCC [low-temperature co-fired ceramic] technologies," the source continued, adding, "They are installed on lightweight ceramic plates that allow the AESA a width reduction of 10 cm [with power sources and control elements]. The radar is comprised of three units, namely the AESA radar, a processing unit, and a composer."

    The capabilities of the Zhuk-AMEh have been improved by 50% compared with previously developed variants of the Zhuk radar. "At present, a MiG-29 fighter can detect an aerial target at 180 km," the source said, "while the Zhuk-AMEh increases this range to 260 km."

    The source added that the new radar weighs about 100 kg and has received a certificate that enables it to be exported.

    Nice thumbsup

    Now they outclass F-15s and F-16. Hope they will adapt PakFa's missiles for the mig-35. I've read the new izdeliye 180 will have 200 km range. The 260km estimation is for 3-5m² rcs target, F-15's RCS is 15-20m², so they could use them at their max potential. If they could put the Meteor for export version it will give a terrible aircraft.


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  franco on Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:33 am

    According to this article, confirms that the order for the 16 new Mig-29SMT will finish being delivered this year. Not sure from the article if they stay at Astrakhan or go to Armenia as originally talked about.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2276306.html

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