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    MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

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    Post  Anas Ali Sat May 30, 2015 5:35 pm



    i just read on this site that the mig-35 will carry the 3M-54E1 !!!!1
    is it true ?

    http://rusavin.blogspot.com/2012/10/from-mig-29-to-mig-35-take-off-into.html
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    Post  flamming_python Sat May 30, 2015 5:49 pm

    Anas Ali wrote:


    i just read on this site that the mig-35 will carry the 3M-54E1 !!!!1
    is it true ?

    http://rusavin.blogspot.com/2012/10/from-mig-29-to-mig-35-take-off-into.html

    Why not?
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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:51 pm

    hi does anyone know the rough cost of Mig-29M2 and Mig-35, just wanted know the cost difference.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:49 pm

    just thought i would share this short clip of Mig-29 take off pretty impressive,

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:11 am

    does anyone know the spec for the current Russian Mig-29's i know they bought some Mig-29SMT back in 2014 think it was 16 aircraft, this brings its total to 44 Mig-29SMT's, and how operational are the remaining Mig-29
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    Post  Berkut Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:33 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:hi does anyone know the rough cost of Mig-29M2 and Mig-35, just wanted know the cost difference.
    There is little meaningful difference between them (basically the radar and a few other bells and whistles) so the cost difference isnt big.
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    Post  franco Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:23 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know the spec for the current Russian Mig-29's i know they bought some Mig-29SMT back in 2014 think it was 16 aircraft, this brings its total to 44 Mig-29SMT's, and how operational are the remaining Mig-29

    There were 34 SMT's and UBT's in the original order. Another 16 were ordered last year which will make 50.
    The last production version of the Mig-29 was the 9.13 with some called the 9.13S. There has been some upgrades to these aircraft and probably they are all now 9.13S standard. There are 2 squadrons at Millerovo and 1 squadron at Erebuni, Armenia. There are also a few at Lipetsk and Kubinka for a total of 50-60 aircraft.
    There have also been a few Mig-29UB's upgraded to UBM's. Not sure how many, but two were just completed.

    The older versions are probably past their best before dates with none left in operational use, only training ones.
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    Post  George1 Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:10 pm

    franco wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know the spec for the current Russian Mig-29's i know they bought some Mig-29SMT back in 2014 think it was 16 aircraft, this brings its total to 44 Mig-29SMT's, and how operational are the remaining Mig-29

    There were 34 SMT's and UBT's in the original order. Another 16 were ordered last year which will make 50.
    The last production version of the Mig-29 was the 9.13 with some called the 9.13S. There has been some upgrades to these aircraft and probably they are all now 9.13S standard. There are 2 squadrons at Millerovo and 1 squadron at Erebuni, Armenia. There are also a few at Lipetsk and Kubinka for a total of 50-60 aircraft.
    There have also been a few Mig-29UB's upgraded to UBM's. Not sure how many, but two were just completed.

    The older versions are probably past their best before dates with none left in operational use, only training ones.

    only 60 operational MiG-29s except SMT ones??
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    Post  franco Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:32 pm

    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know the spec for the current Russian Mig-29's i know they bought some Mig-29SMT back in 2014 think it was 16 aircraft, this brings its total to 44 Mig-29SMT's, and how operational are the remaining Mig-29

    There were 34 SMT's and UBT's in the original order. Another 16 were ordered last year which will make 50.
    The last production version of the Mig-29 was the 9.13 with some called the 9.13S. There has been some upgrades to these aircraft and probably they are all now 9.13S standard. There are 2 squadrons at Millerovo and 1 squadron at Erebuni, Armenia. There are also a few at Lipetsk and Kubinka for a total of 50-60 aircraft.
    There have also been a few Mig-29UB's upgraded to UBM's. Not sure how many, but two were just completed.

    The older versions are probably past their best before dates with none left in operational use, only training ones.

    only 60 operational MiG-29s except SMT ones??

    Combat operational, there are still squadron+ size training units in Armavir, Astrakhan, Lipetsk, Kuschevskaya and Kubinka so probably another 60-80 including UB's.
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    Post  nemrod Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:02 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:just thought i would share this short clip of Mig-29 take off pretty impressive,


    Thx Taddei2
    Amazing take off, Iam not sure if the F-15, F-16, F-18, or even F-22 could do the same perform.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:23 am

    nemrod wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:just thought i would share this short clip of Mig-29 take off pretty impressive,


    Thx Taddei2
    Amazing take off, Iam not sure if the F-15, F-16, F-18, or even F-22 could do the same perform.


    such a great and versatile aircraft, and its relatively cheap compare to others, i personally think that Mi-17, Mi-35 and Mig-29SMT/M2 should form the basics of any armed forces air force. There all great, versatile, cheap, and reliable, everything else is a bonus.
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    Post  Berkut Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:33 am

    nemrod wrote:
    Thx Taddei2
    Amazing take off, Iam not sure if the F-15, F-16, F-18, or even F-22 could do the same perform.
    They most certainly can and do all the time.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:52 pm

    Quite true.. in fact the aircraft with the most impressive take offs I have seen are more modestly powered aircraft like the An-2 and the U-2 and the M-17... the former for how quickly it gets airborne even with a slight head wind, and the latter the steepness of the climb when they do get airborne.
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    Post  nastle77 Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:54 pm

    Again my inquiry is about 1990 and the number of Mig-29 operational by that time with VVS and AVMF

    In Yefim Gordon's book the total number is listed as approx. 500 ( 250 with 16th air army alone ) and 50 with AVMF

    In other sources I found the number of 540 ( like the Military balance 1990)

    Can someone confirm this ?
    Thanks
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:33 pm

    So MiG-35 is now 4++ not 4+ gen and more than 30 I hope so Russian AFG gets more capable jets on moderate price.

    Russia will sign a contract for the supply of MiG-35s not previously in 2018

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150812/1179340533.html


    Chief of the Air Space Forces (VKS), Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev said that after the completion of state testing MiG-35s will be adopted for the further financing of purchases of more than 30 units.

    MOSCOW, August 12 - RIA Novosti. Russian Defense Ministry is planning to no earlier than in 2018 signed the first contract for the purchase of multi-purpose MiG-35s, will be purchased over 30 aircraft, he told journalists on Wednesday in chief of aerospace forces (VKS), Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.

    "The MiG-35s created in the development work commissioned by the Defense Ministry of Russia with a completion date - 2017. After the completion of state tests of the MiG-35s would be adopted for the further financing of purchases of more than 30 units. The contract for the purchase of MiG-35s planned to conclude in 2018, "- said Bondarev.

    Single MiG-35 and MiG-35D double - a multi-purpose fighter of 4 ++ generation, is a further development of combat aircraft MiG-29K / KUB and MiG-29M / M2 towards improving combat effectiveness and versatility, as well as improved performance.

    As reported in February, the general director of RIA Novosti Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" (RAC "MiG") Sergey Korotkov, the MiG-35 will receive the electronic systems of the fifth generation. He noted that the main direction of the RAC "MiG" Today - this is the improvement of the MiG-35.




    and here about commercial perspectives:



    Commander videoconferencing: MiG-35 will find customers not only in Russia but also in the world

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150812/1179438861.html

    MOSCOW, August 12 - RIA Novosti. The MiG-35, which is in the future plans to buy the Russian Defense Ministry, find customers and abroad thanks to its excellent performance, said the Commander of Air Space Forces (VKS), Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.

    "There's a great sighting equipment, the detection range of aerial targets increased significantly. Plus, the plane is on the program supermaneuverability ... That plane should be proud. I think that this aircraft will buy not only our Department of Defense, but also to foreigners," - said Bondarev Wednesday on the TV channel "Russia-24" .

    He noted that the maneuverability of the MiG-35 "much higher" than that of the MiG-29. In addition, the fighter will be cheaper than the line of planes "Su", easier to operate.

    Bondarev earlier Wednesday told reporters that the MiG-35s created in the development work commissioned by the Defense Ministry of Russia with a completion date - 2017. After the completion of state tests the aircraft will be adopted for the further financing of purchases of more than 30 units. The contract for the purchase of MiG-35S "is scheduled to conclude in 2018".

    Single MiG-35 and MiG-35D double - a multi-purpose fighter of 4 ++ generation, is a further development of combat aircraft MiG-29K / KUB and MiG-29M / M2 towards improving combat effectiveness and versatility, as well as improved performance.

    As reported in February, the general director of RIA Novosti Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" (RAC "MiG") Sergey Korotkov, the MiG-35 will receive the electronic systems of the fifth generation. He noted that the main direction of the RAC "MiG" Today - this is the improvement of the MiG-35.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:16 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:So MiG-35 is now 4++ not 4+ gen and more than 30 I hope so Russian AFG  gets more capable jets on moderate price.

    Russia will sign a contract for the supply of MiG-35s not previously in 2018

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150812/1179340533.html

    So basically the anti-Russia fanboys still have more 3 years to blabber that MiG-35 is a failure, nobody wants MiG-35...

    Dunno when will the MiG-35 be exported. Our country is sticking with the Su but still I wonder if we will buy some...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:26 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:So MiG-35 is now 4++ not 4+ gen and more than 30 I hope so Russian AFG  gets more capable jets on moderate price.

    Russia will sign a contract for the supply of MiG-35s not previously in 2018

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150812/1179340533.html

    So basically the anti-Russia fanboys still have more 3 years to blabber that MiG-35 is a failure, nobody wants MiG-35...

    Dunno when will the MiG-35 be exported. Our country is sticking with the Su but still I wonder if we will buy some...

    If you can buy 2 MiGs for 1 S then why not? Taking into account pace of GDP growth Vietnam will need new toys soon to protect wealth from democratizators.

    As for MiG-35 this one as far as I got the message will be actually kinda 35M2 Smile new avionics from PAK FA, new engine and who knows what new materials in updated frame.
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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:30 pm

    3 years from now. Why so late?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:36 pm

    George1 wrote:3 years from now. Why so late?

    Good question but let me guess money but also industrial throughput - not enough skilled engineers to build all in so short time.

    Nonetheless workhorse for every AF is needed. More F-16 was build then 4x F-15 and F-22 combined. Again reasons is costs.
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    Post  Flyboy77 Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:38 am

    The reason that the MiG-35 contract is going to be signed later is because the MiG-35 doesn't meet RuAF requirements in its current form. Hence why a R&D contract was signed to develop the MiG-35. A contract for the Aircraft isn't going to be signed until MiG produces a prototype or two and it passes state trails and meets the needs that the RuAF has outlined for it.

    The MiG-35 is in a similar position as the MiG-29K was in the mid-2000 with the India contract.

    Though I'm also worried about how long its taken to get to this point. The MOD should of done this years ago. Its unlikely that we are going to see the MiG-35 in any real numbers until post-2020.
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    Post  medo Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:52 am

    Order for 24 MiG-29K/KUB will be finished this year and order for 16 MiG-29SMT will be finished next year. I don't think Russian MoD will leave MiG without orders for few years, so I think they could order additional MiG-29K/KUB for NAVY, like another regiment for rotation on the carrier and a training squadron in Eysk naval training center for training of new naval pilots. Maybe even an additional regiment of MiG-29M2 for replacing of the most worn out MiG-29 fighters.
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    Post  Berkut Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:56 am

    medo wrote:Order for 24 MiG-29K/KUB will be finished this year and order for 16 MiG-29SMT will be finished next year. I don't think Russian MoD will leave MiG without orders for few years, so I think they could order additional MiG-29K/KUB for NAVY, like another regiment for rotation on the carrier and a training squadron in Eysk naval training center for training of new naval pilots. Maybe even an additional regiment of MiG-29M2 for replacing of the most worn out MiG-29 fighters.

    I still think Russia should upgrade ~80-100 MiG-29's UPG style. Good update, cost effective, already in production, plenty of frames to pick and choose between, and will keep MiG production busy while MiG-35S gets up and running. There were some persistent murmurs about it, but it was last mentioned by Pogo, and that was a while ago now.
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    Post  medo Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:03 am

    Berkut wrote:
    medo wrote:Order for 24 MiG-29K/KUB will be finished this year and order for 16 MiG-29SMT will be finished next year. I don't think Russian MoD will leave MiG without orders for few years, so I think they could order additional MiG-29K/KUB for NAVY, like another regiment for rotation on the carrier and a training squadron in Eysk naval training center for training of new naval pilots. Maybe even an additional regiment of MiG-29M2 for replacing of the most worn out MiG-29 fighters.

    I still think Russia should upgrade ~80-100 MiG-29's UPG style. Good update, cost effective, already in production, plenty of frames to pick and choose between, and will keep MiG production busy while MiG-35S gets up and running. There were some persistent murmurs about it, but it was last mentioned by Pogo, and that was a while ago now.

    I doubt. Russia didn't go with SMT upgrade years ago, why would they go now, when those planes are even more worn out? Su-27 fighters are in better condition and even they will not all go to SM3 upgrade and will be sooner or later replaced by Su-35 and PAK FA. RuAF will simply replace those old MiGs with new MiGs.
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    Post  Berkut Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:12 am

    I think the optimal mix would be something like this;

    96 MiG-35S'
    52 MiG-29SMT's + 9.51A's.
    84 MiG-29SMT's upgraded UPG style.

    Solid force of light fighters and cost effective. As to the argument of them being "worn out", even if each frame flies 100h every year (which they dont) that is still only 300h over the last few years. If anything Indian MiG-29's should have had many more flight hours anyway and they are not worried about that. They know the structural weak points and swap those with new parts. Easy.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:07 am

    And it would be a relatively cheap way to greatly increase the performance of the air fleet... The SMT is fully multirole and able to operate a range of guided air to air and air to ground weapons.

    Regarding the MiG-35s delay... it is one of their first AESA radars... of course that will take work and all the other subsystems are all brand new too... you could have it now if you aimed low... that would be the MiG-29M2... they clearly want the best, so they will have to wait until it is ready.

    An advantage of upgrading the MiG-29s is that when the MiG-35 is ready for full production the upgraded aircraft can be gifted to air forces that might buy new MiGs.

    In other words give them 6 SMTs and then sell them 36 MiG-29M2s or MiG-35s depending on what they can afford and what they need.

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