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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:19 pm

    Zivo wrote:...................

    What's with the exhaust flame on startup?

    Super stronkk engine!!! Cool

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Zivo on Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:30 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Zivo wrote:...................

    What's with the exhaust flame on startup?

    Super stronkk engine!!! Cool

    I didn't notice the first time, it's actually the APU's exhaust. That makes more sense, short pipe, plus cold start.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Cyrus the great on Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:19 am

    I saw the live firing video of the Armata and it seemed to have had a lot of recoil, and I just don't know why that it is.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Mike E on Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:22 am

    Some people say barrel or stabilizer trouble with this particular unit, stabilizer was off, etc.

    It is quite clear that the stabilizer was off in both firing videos, the barrel is not 'cushioned' at all.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Cyrus the great on Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:30 am

    Mike E wrote:Some people say barrel or stabilizer trouble with this particular unit, stabilizer was off, etc.

    It is quite clear that the stabilizer was off in both firing videos, the barrel is not 'cushioned' at all.

    They definitely should have fixed any problems with the stabilizer or the barrel before releasing the video.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:26 pm

    Cyrus the great wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Some people say barrel or stabilizer trouble with this particular unit, stabilizer was off, etc.

    It is quite clear that the stabilizer was off in both firing videos, the barrel is not 'cushioned' at all.

    They definitely should have fixed any problems with the stabilizer or the barrel before releasing the video.

    You do know that it's in prototype stage, and not in serial production?

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 27, 2016 6:05 am

    It might be that they were test firing the barrel without the stabiliser engaged to determine that if can fire without the stabiliser turned on.

    Sort of a worst case accuracy test...


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:53 am

    RuMOD to get first test batch of T-14 Armata tanks and T-15 armored vehicles (~20) in 2016-17

    https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/703661237905854464


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:05 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/333871-armata-tanks-trial-army/

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Cyrus the great on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:12 am

    GarryB wrote:It might be that they were test firing the barrel without the stabiliser engaged to determine that if can fire without the stabiliser turned on.

    Sort of a worst case accuracy test...


    I can understand why they would do those tests, but why release the video? I just know that I would only release the video when all the integral components have been installed on arguably the best tank in the world.

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:10 pm

    Cyrus the great wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It might be that they were test firing the barrel without the stabiliser engaged to determine that if can fire without the stabiliser turned on.

    Sort of a worst case accuracy test...


    I can understand why they would do those tests, but why release the video? I just know that I would only release the video when all the integral components have been installed on arguably the best tank in the world.

    You mean you would only make videos of a highly secret new tank just to show off?

    That is how you give to much information to analysts meaning you feed them information just to be cocky on the internet. Those are companies that make that stuff not Forumers that try to make a point and win some fanboy argument battle.

    Good thing not to show everything, that gives it time without being pressured by providing enemies with information of its capabilities. If enemy does not know how big your shield and sword is he is going to build a sword and shield with certain limits and expectations in mind in what he believes your armor and weapon is sized to counter it, he might be wrong or right he will see that only later. Provide him to many information before you have equipped your soldiers with your armor and weapons and he will have time to find measures to it.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:41 pm

    Russia Starts to Test New Stealth Armata Tank February 29, 2016
    Sdelanounas.ru Translated for Fort Russ by Soviet Bear

    “Testing of 20 units of the new "Armata" tank with unique properties have begun”, said the Deputy CEO of "Uralvagonzavod" Vyacheslav Khalitov to the Russian news service. One of the features of the new machines - is their reduced visibility to the enemy. We use GALS-technology — a special coating with reflective surface that does not allow the determining of what the object is, no matter what means of detection the enemy employs: optical, radar or infrared, said Khalitov. All machines of the "Armata" family are equipped with a communication system without the use of radio — information is transmitted via IR-channel.

    The second unique feature of the new tank is a four-level system of protection. The first level — reduced visibility. The second is active protection, which shoots down enemy ammunition on the approach, controls the air space around the tank, a special program of the onboard computer evaluates the emerging threats and activates the means of interception. The third level is dynamic protection - designed for ammunition that has managed to overcome the first two levels.

    Finally, the tank's armour is hidden under layers of high-tech protection. In the "Armata" it is a new multilayer, sheet steel, and composite materials. Fine-grained structure, optimized alloying process and special heat treatment made it possible to ensure high protective properties at a reduced thickness of the armour plating. Additional insurance for the crew is the insulated armour capsule, giving the tank crew a chance to survive even during detonation of ammunition.

    According to Khalitov, other countries will not be able to create an analogue of the Russian tank. “There are reports about a certain joint project of Germany and France. We will see what our colleagues abroad will have to offer. By creating the "Armata" platform, we made a qualitative leap forward that was ahead of them probably 8-10 years. So now creating a likeness of the "Armata" is a replication, but we will continue to go much further”, — said the representative of "Uralvagonzavod".

    Tested combat vehicles on the "Armata" platform are the T-14 Main Battle Tank and the T-15 heavy IFV. They will enter service in 2016 and 2017. The Ural tank manufacturers are also planning to develop an assault vehicle with 152-mm cannon on the same platform. It will be called "the tank killer."


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/russia-starts-to-test-new-stealth.html

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Cyrus the great on Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:39 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Cyrus the great wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It might be that they were test firing the barrel without the stabiliser engaged to determine that if can fire without the stabiliser turned on.

    Sort of a worst case accuracy test...


    I can understand why they would do those tests, but why release the video? I just know that I would only release the video when all the integral components have been installed on arguably the best tank in the world.

    You mean you would only make videos of  a highly secret new tank just to show off?

    That is how you give to much information to analysts meaning you feed them information just to be cocky on the internet. Those are companies that make that stuff not Forumers that try to make  a point and win some fanboy argument battle.

    Good thing not to show everything, that gives it time without being pressured by providing enemies with information of its capabilities. If enemy does not know how big your shield and sword is he is going to build a sword and shield with certain limits and expectations in mind in what he believes your armor and weapon is sized to counter it, he might be wrong or right he will see that only later. Provide him to many information before you have equipped your soldiers with your armor and weapons and he will have time to find measures to it.

    I wouldn't show anything remotely sensitive; none of the important components would be showcased. I wouldn't even show the interior of the tank. I guess I would just love a totally awesome montage of the tank firing its powerful gun -- with its stabilizers installed and I doubt that NATO could glean much from something as superficial as that.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  calm on Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:39 am


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Cyrus the great on Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:04 pm

    It would be great if the Russians used a modified VK-3000 turboshaft engine (connected to a generator) for the Armata. The VK-3000 turboshaft engine produces 3200 hp whereas other tanks only produce 1500 hp. The VK-3000 engine has a weight of 360 kg -- which is incredibly light; to put that into perspective, the Abrams Honeywell AGT1500 engine has a total dry weight of 1, 135 kg.

    Garry already explained this:

    Garry B wrote:Ironically gas turbines are widely used for electricity generation and are efficient for being rather compact generators. the problem with using them as engines in tanks is that they don't do torque very well and variable throttle changes are terrible for fuel consumption. A future arrangement where the gas turbine is just connected to a generator and is run at a constant efficient rate to generate electricity and the wheels are propelled by electric motors drawing charge from the generator and batteries and capacitors it will be a very simple and cheap and efficient way of propelling large vehicles.

    Such propulsion is already used on Buses and trains using diesel fuel.

    Stupid question: Could a significantly lighter helicopter like the Rooivalk use the VK-3000 engine if some country wanted these powerful engines in their Rooivalk attack helicopters? The Rooivalk's Turbomeca Makila engine has a total weight of 278 -- which is 25% lighter than the incredible VK-3000 engine.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  x_54_u43 on Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:38 pm

    Cyrus the great wrote:It would be great if the Russians used a modified VK-3000 turboshaft engine (connected to a generator) for the Armata. The VK-3000 turboshaft engine produces 3200 hp whereas other tanks only produce 1500 hp. The VK-3000 engine has a weight of 360 kg -- which is incredibly light; to put that into perspective, the Abrams Honeywell AGT1500 engine has a total dry weight of 1, 135 kg.

    Garry already explained this:

    Garry B wrote:Ironically gas turbines are widely used for electricity generation and are efficient for being rather compact generators. the problem with using them as engines in tanks is that they don't do torque very well and variable throttle changes are terrible for fuel consumption. A future arrangement where the gas turbine is just connected to a generator and is run at a constant efficient rate to generate electricity and the wheels are propelled by electric motors drawing charge from the generator and batteries and capacitors it will be a very simple and cheap and efficient way of propelling large vehicles.

    Such propulsion is already used on Buses and trains using diesel fuel.

    Stupid question: Could a significantly lighter helicopter like the Rooivalk use the VK-3000 engine if some country wanted these powerful engines in their Rooivalk attack helicopters? The Rooivalk's Turbomeca Makila engine has a total weight of 278 -- which is 25% lighter than the incredible VK-3000 engine.

    Are you retarded?

    Look at some pictures of the VK-3000. Just look, and your fantasies will quickly be put to rest.

    For your second question, no, size and fuel constraints plus possibility of vibrational problems due to increased output.

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