galicije83 wrote:First of all Russian dont have ~1000 T-90 all version. They have less then 500 operational T-90s witch ~32 of them are T-90A fist model made from 2004-2006 with Buran M thermovision and ~337 T-90A with ESSE thermovision licenced french Catherine FC thermovision produced form 2006-2011/12. Also Russia have T-90 (~120) made from 1992-1998 many of then are not operational.
So if they want to upgrade urs T-90A to AM it will be this latest model made from 2006-2011.
Today we can see in Syria T-90s first two models T-90 and T-90A produce from 1992-2006, not latest T-90As...
according to this Russia have 743 T-90 tanks..
Россия — более 543 единиц Т-90/Т-90А (и ещё 200 единиц находятся на хранении),
Russia - More than 543 units of T-90 / T-90A (and another 200 units in storage), as of 2015
and with the new crisis with Turkey and with the world ambient of world war , is very likely production of T-90 will go up and will have about 1,000 or more just this year when the probability of a major war with the west is closer and closer. I will not be surprised if Russia is producing T-90s like there is no tomorrow stocking them in secret. you will not reveal your enemies the real inventory size of your military.
This is why i believe Russia needs not just "good enough". but a real strong force that they
can deploy in many fronts at the same time. The Americans are really desperate to destroy Russia by any way or means.. so Russia should expect more Syria like proxy wars in the future
the battle fields US can target Russia by proxy are so many .
1)Syria.. already there.
2)Ukraine.. already there undercovertly.
3) Moldova and Ukraine attack on tranistria on Russians.
4) Armenia vs Azerbaijan conflict.
5)Serbia vs muslin terrorist from Bosnia.
6)Kaliningrad. by muslins well armed from Poland.
7)All Russian Border with Ukraine can be a battlefield against Russia.
8)Tajikistan ,an invasion from ISIS in afganistan armed by Americans.
9)from Georgia attack on chechenia. already Lavrov just today told ISIS have training camps
10)Attack on far east on kamchatka by mercenaries invasion there. helped by Americans.
11)Armenia vs Azerbaijan conflict ,again fueled by Americans.
12) IRAQ.. Russia could be forced to invade IRAQ too.
And all those fronts to defend allies will require a major deployment of tanks.
This is why i believe Russia needs at least 12,000 Armata but even more under ideal conditions.
So if a tank needs a repair quickly is replaced by a new one. and to have few thousands of them in reserves.
The thing people needs to understand is that Americans will not blink to use a nuclear weapon against Russia ,if they ever have the opportunity to do it. You don't understand how they think.
The Neocons do not care about its own citizens And there are hardliners in the west that will consider losing 40 millions Americans acceptable if they can defeat Russia in a nuclear war.
So Russia needs to be better prepared for a war with Americans with tanks in europe in the case they totally lose their mind and start attacking Russia through Ukraine with chemical and biological warfare. Russia needs to be prepared for everything. that a real mad man or women takes control of USA and start making the life impossible for millions of Russians through terrorism and or undercover biological and chemical attacks. .This is why Russia needs many Armata tanks as many as 20,000 ,30,000 or more. Not to fight small wars but to be prepared for a world war. and Liberate berling again. Because it might be needed to once again liberate Europe from American fascism and kick their military bases there.
Even with Turkey ,what if Turkey start attacking Russia with cruise missiles? what will Russia do? turn the other cheek? using cruise missiles will not remove erdogan from power. not even with nukes..if they hide in Bunkers. would not be more practical to just invade
Turkey and remove by force the government as they did with hitler ,than Russia bombing civilians with nukes in Turkey? that later will turn against Russia ? This is why Russia needs a really big tank force to counter any possible hostile scenario. Taking a big piece of land of Turkey like controlling Istanbul and the access to mediterranean sea ,in case of war. better Russia be prepared ,with a 20,000 -30,000 armata force and not need them.than to say sorry later and need them.
people usually underestimate Russia enemies to do evil things , and their determination to
attack Russia. Nobody expected Turkey will be shooting down Russian planes before, now is a reality. Erdogan psicopath man and dont care about Russian nukes ,is a muslin fanatic who helps ISIS. and Americans will try to get him start a war with Russia. So Russia will need to prepare for any kind of scenario.
all said ,Russia needs to be prepared for the unthinkable. To have an army capable of invading
Turkey, invading Europe or even USA with China help. you never know what could happen.
the war against Hitler could have never stopped had Russia never invaded berlin.
ISIS for example could take control of turkey with American help.. or Erdogan himself could become ISIS leader and start blockading Russia business in the mediterranean sea. something that will mean Russia will have to fight them. with just 2,000 Armata tanks is not enough for Russia to fight outside its borders to invade another big power while at the same time keeping secure all parts of Russia federation.