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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  victor1985 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:39 am

    Some joint ventures between russia and china and india would be usefull. Think that same tehnology is gives to both countryes. But most better i sugest that russia must stay close to india. Because indians have top scientists and their only problems are economical. So would be better to stay close. Both were togheter when was communism because both felt that others than Us should be powers. They both wanted peace. United states want only to rule the world. And all stay under their conditions....

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:39 am

    Nice "Location" Gunship Razz you made me laugh. 

    I would rather see ETC in all honesty, but it is more far-fetched than a 152mm gun. Maybe in a decade...or two

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:48 am

    Mike E wrote:Nice "Location" Gunship Razz you made me laugh. 

    I would rather see ETC in all honesty, but it is more far-fetched than a 152mm gun. Maybe in a decade...or two

    Sure, magneticflux explosive generators are still far away

    location is famous pro western Putin´s opposition and here pro Putin girl


    and now you know why Russian prefer Putin Razz

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:18 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology
    I presume source of energy can be magnetic flux explosive genrator. But technology is still far away...


    This is too dangerous. The explosive required to deliver required power may still in order of Kg's It will burst the tank, damaging it instead.

    If ETC gun is to be sought, pulsed power based on super capacitor source need to be improved. Current state of the art development of the technology is devoted to HPM Weapon (CHAMP).

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:15 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Damn Armata with electrochemical gun? almost relsotron Smile
    Gun for "Armata": 152-mm gun or elettrotermochimical system?
    why not both? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil and remember the object 477A with its 3 longitudinal drum AL(2 in the front hull sandwiching driver and one between commander and gunner under turret ring)? its AL could hold 1.5m long projectiles !!!! make an unmanned version of the T-14 armed ETC 152mm gun and with the described AL scheme and Holy Shiet that tank would utterly rape anything. Razz

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:45 pm

    Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

    According to the interlocutor of the Agency, this armor protects against modern tank ammunition and anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers 100-150 mm caliber
    MOSCOW, June 6. /TASS/. Armor brand new Russian tank on the platform "Armata" provides protection from all modern tank shells, anti-tank guided missiles and rocket-propelled grenades, said today TASS in the Scientific research Institute of steel (part of tractor plants").
    "Armor "Armata" provides protection from all current and future tank ammunition, which currently have a caliber of 120 mm," - said the Agency interlocutor.
    According to him, this armor also protects against anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers caliber of 100-150 mm. A number of existing anti-tank systems can attack targets not only directly, but also on top that allows you to destroy all types of modern tanks. In addition, the majority of combat helicopters armed with guided missiles that fall into the top of the machine, which often protected a much weaker sides and the frontal part of the hull.
    "Armata" - heavy unified platform, based on which tank and infantry fighting vehicle. New tanks have been uninhabited tower, fully digital control and insulated armoured capsule, which houses the crew. The main armament of the "Armata" is a gun caliber 125 mm, but in the future it is possible the use of 152-mm guns. As stated earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a shell for "Armata" "burn meter steel".
    Tanks "Armata" were shown at the Victory day parade in Moscow on 9 may. This is a prototype, which are returned to the manufacturer for rework and subsequent trials in the troops to be held in 2016. It is assumed that the mass production of "Armata" will begin in 2017-2018.






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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Damn Armata with electrochemical gun? almost relsotron Smile
    Gun for "Armata": 152-mm gun or elettrotermochimical system?
    why not both? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil and remember the object 477A with its 3 longitudinal drum AL(2 in the front hull sandwiching driver and one between commander and gunner under turret ring)? its AL could hold 1.5m long projectiles !!!! make an unmanned version of the T-14 armed ETC 152mm gun and with the described AL scheme and Holy Shiet that tank would utterly rape anything. Razz

    Abrams raped with long rod? sucha rough gay movie Razz

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Austin on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:05 pm

    dberwal wrote:Just trying to clarify some misinformation on Indian AFV projects as i see many members using some terms very often:

    1) Indian has Bought Approx 1600 T-90S and not the MS version.
    - Approx 1000 of T-90S are already in service

    I believe its 1650 T-90 plus an additional 240 T-90 on china front.

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20121105/main5.htm

    So Total would be 1800 T-90

    2)T-90S would come for an mid life upgrade as its almost 14years since first 124 were inducted in 2001-02
    - Upgrade would definitely involve technology and components from T-90 MS/ T-14/ Arjun

    Yes for Arjun and T-90MS.

    I dont know if T-14 can be of help except for Constellation C4 system but I believe we will have our own Netcentric system for T-90.


    5) The current project of around 1500+ BMP 2 upgrade is what is on the cards. (most likely upgraded to BMP 2M standard)

    Additionally high power engine

    I believe reports in Indian media about below par performance of Russian equipment are all paid news and none of the are any kind of official view.

    True , Mostly Ajay Shukla who spearheads it , He is banned by Russian Embassy from any press event Very Happy

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:07 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

    Aha so we have a new invulnerable tank General Laughing

    The armour would be better then the T-90/Reliket for sure but then some one would figure out tactics to hit its weak areas.

    Even the Merkava was deemed invulnerable tank till the Hizb figured out how to deal with it.


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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:12 pm

    Austin wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

    Aha so we have a new invulnerable tank General  Laughing

    The armour would be better then the T-90/Reliket for sure but then some one would figure out tactics to hit its weak areas.

    Even the Merkava  was deemed invulnerable tank till the Hizb figured out how to deal with it.


    Well that is not hard, all tanks concept is very thick armor at fron, weaker at side, top and rear. The problem is everything is covered with ERA/NERA tles top and sides, so if you want to hit a weak point do it to the turret side from an angle where ERA and APS is no problem and the Tank has a firepowerkill at least today, let us see how turret looks when it is finished.

    Merkawa has among the thinnest hull armor on any existing tank, not thicker than Monkey Models of T-72M1 iraq used.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:24 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

    According to the interlocutor of the Agency, this armor protects against modern tank ammunition and anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers 100-150 mm caliber
    MOSCOW, June 6. /TASS/. Armor brand new Russian tank on the platform "Armata" provides protection from all modern tank shells, anti-tank guided missiles and rocket-propelled grenades, said today TASS in the Scientific research Institute of steel (part of tractor plants").
    "Armor "Armata" provides protection from all current and future tank ammunition, which currently have a caliber of 120 mm," - said the Agency interlocutor.
    According to him, this armor also protects against anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers caliber of 100-150 mm. A number of existing anti-tank systems can attack targets not only directly, but also on top that allows you to destroy all types of modern tanks. In addition, the majority of combat helicopters armed with guided missiles that fall into the top of the machine, which often protected a much weaker sides and the frontal part of the hull.
    "Armata" - heavy unified platform, based on which tank and infantry fighting vehicle. New tanks have been uninhabited tower, fully digital control and insulated armoured capsule, which houses the crew. The main armament of the "Armata" is a gun caliber 125 mm, but in the future it is possible the use of 152-mm guns. As stated earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a shell for "Armata" "burn meter steel".
    Tanks "Armata" were shown at the Victory day parade in Moscow on 9 may. This is a prototype, which are returned to the manufacturer for rework and subsequent trials in the troops to be held in 2016. It is assumed that the mass production of "Armata" will begin in 2017-2018.

    Holy sh*t!!! T-14 has that level of frontal protection from base armor alone?! They didn't mention dynamic protection/reactive armor, so it sounds like they're just speaking specifically about base armor alone, which if that's the case then that's fantastic!!!

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    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:27 pm

    A nice summary of the whole electrothermal-chemical gun story:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology

    (I know quoting Wikipedia is considered really, really bad, but I go on a case by case basis).

    This seems like a very worthwhile project to pursue. But having a 152 mm canon on the T-14 is a major achievement
    all by itself. It will defeat any armour that NATO can field.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:32 pm

    I really think the T-14 is associated with a historic composite steel innovation. We are not getting all the details and just general
    hand waving about equivalent thickness. But it was time for progress beyond simple steel. Armour is the most obvious field in
    which this sort of innovation would be likely to develop.

    This is another reason not to export the T-14 at any cost.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:33 pm

    152 mm Gun is not needed atm for Armata , the new APFSDS and new Gun would be good for any tank out there for the moment.

    I would rather have then build a good Fire and Forget Missile system for Armata or just make a better beam rider with supersonic speed and higher HEAT potential in 1000-1100 range.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Book. on Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:08 pm

    Armata monk model ok

    No 44SV top steel


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:58 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Abrams raped with long rod? sucha rough gay movie Razz
    your words not mine Razz . but i always thought of tanks as female- like ships. i mean you have dudes inside of it Wink and its very high maintenance.
    so id say its girl-on-girl action with str@p-0n. Twisted Evil


    anyway any word on its C4ISR systems?

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:22 am

    It is rather unlikely any country on the planet could afford to simply replace all its armour for Armata... even Russia wont be able to afford that... they will have armata, kurganets, boomerang, and typhoon units.

    If they do export armata it will likely only be a tank with export electronics and armour and sensors etc.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:11 pm

    GarryB wrote:It is rather unlikely any country on the planet could afford to simply replace all its armour for Armata... even Russia wont be able to afford that... they will have armata, kurganets, boomerang, and typhoon units.

    They say 2300 Armatas will be produced. I am not sure as a platform or tanks only. If only tanks still 2300 is not going to replace current Russian machine park. If this is not enough light tanks like Sprut or Bumerang based will be produced in numbers needed for efficient army.

    GarryB wrote: If they do export armata it will likely only be a tank with export electronics and armour and sensors etc.

    IMHO Export will be primary to strategic allies - like India or China or Vietnam. and after 2025. In 2034 I want to see Armata T-34-relsotron Laughing


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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Abrams raped with long rod? sucha rough gay movie Razz
    your words not mine Razz . but i always thought of tanks as female- like ships. i mean you have dudes inside of it Wink and its very high maintenance.
    so id say its girl-on-girl action with str@p-0n. Twisted Evil

    Then tank battles would have publicity better then Spanish football league lol!
    I will be greatest fan Razz

    collegeboy16 wrote: anyway any word on its C4ISR systems?

    like this?
    http://rt.com/news/253445-armata-tank-network-warfare/

    New communications equipment allows the vehicles' crews to see the whole tactical situation in real time and communicate with command points and other military units within a single system of automated combat control," a representative of state corporation Rostec said. The new electronics will make the tanks a part of a network which also includes drones, electronic countermeasure systems and targeting devices. The creators say it will take less than a minute after a target is detected for its exact coordinates to be transferred to weapons crews.

    "All the information received will be displayed on a screen," Geopolitical Problems Academy President Konstantin Sivkov told RT. He says the most important thing in tank combat is to have a system which allows for commanding officers to quickly detect and designate targets and orders to target and fire.

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    Post  dberwal on Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:30 pm

    Austin wrote:
    I believe its 1650 T-90 plus an additional 240 T-90 on china front.

    So Total would be 1800 T-90
    IA has put upgraded T-72 on china front

    the news of 240 T-90MS for china front is not authentic. Thus the number still stands at 1600-1650 approx

    there is no need to place any new order of T-90 as even the previous order is not completed. India never buys in advance.



    Yes for Arjun and T-90MS.

    I dont know if T-14 can be of help except for Constellation C4 system but I believe we will have our own Netcentric system for T-90.

     one never knows what russians have up their sleeves, something can surely find place in T-90 upgrade

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:25 am

    get your tissues and lotion ready, picture dump links:
    T-15:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMy6K0qWlSVoDBgdftQjXEsKW8nP-7pMIusGr3-ueNP_1L9BkYhJF0fGkFkGc7MUQ?key=VTBCbGo3M1MwTTNha0N4YWlQRlBJaThoenNnR0VR
    T-14:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3
    all credit goes to Paralay, Gur Khan et al.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:16 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:get your tissues and lotion ready, picture dump links:
    T-15:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMy6K0qWlSVoDBgdftQjXEsKW8nP-7pMIusGr3-ueNP_1L9BkYhJF0fGkFkGc7MUQ?key=VTBCbGo3M1MwTTNha0N4YWlQRlBJaThoenNnR0VR
    T-14:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3
    all credit goes to Paralay.

    Damn you from early morning pure tank porn  Razz

    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipOnTTftSNFFjJgOXl1bMsWfPQTureC1oLX0qLs4?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3

    nice graphics hope some day i´ll see this cutie-pie turret

    BTW Half of pics is from Gurkhan Attacks archive Smile



    wow wow wow 30 mm after all !
    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipOCeNsaxXL3UjhGMi9FtmTne3X4bgVz2ak-q2N2?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3

    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipOQwYNWmm6z1DlTNhCZxLI4HKAUeG3eykQj1J3y?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3


    12,7 mm mg option?

    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipP2Vt7uYh6z1koeFcnckw4k4jfAyAgf9RfwDaMq?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:40 pm

    even under the one sided biased CFE agreement Russia was supposed to have 6,000 tanks in Europe, so clearly they wont be all Armata based MBTs...

    equally Russia does not need nor can afford an all armata armed force... there will be plenty of lighter units.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:24 pm

    I don't know if this has been posted hear yet, this seems to be a up-close look of Armata's multi-purpose grenade launcher and examples of it's grenades:






    Supposedly this is a photo of Armata's radar:


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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:32 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't know if this has been posted hear yet, this seems to be a up-close look of Armata's multi-purpose grenade launcher and examples of it's grenades:






    Supposedly this is a photo of Armata's radar:


    First two pictures are not Armata but HAPS (Helicopter Active Protection System) with self correcting warheads to counter Stingers or RPG's by Orbital ATK.

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150224005136/en/Orbital-ATK-Completes-Key-Test-Helicopter-Active#.VXW1bkZhdmg

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:50 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't know if this has been posted hear yet, this seems to be a up-close look of Armata's multi-purpose grenade launcher and examples of it's grenades:






    Supposedly this is a photo of Armata's radar:


    First two pictures are not Armata but HAPS (Helicopter Active Protection System) with self correcting warheads to counter Stingers or RPG's by Orbital ATK.

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150224005136/en/Orbital-ATK-Completes-Key-Test-Helicopter-Active#.VXW1bkZhdmg

    O.K., thanks for the correction.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:13 pm

    Infografics (from Vzglyad) Armata with 12,7mmgun instead of 7,62? Computer graphic imagination or ...


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