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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Wed May 22, 2013 9:34 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Mind you BMP-3 has a more advanced amphibious system than BMP-1, so the boat like hull does not need to be as pronounced.

    Don't worry about V-hull, it is not a serious method of mine protection for things like IFVs and tanks. You would end up with a vehicle seriously compromised in every other parameter.
    Imagine a tracked vehicle with sharp V-hull, the thing would have absurdly tall tracks Very Happy
    The M60 patton and challenger tanks dboth have V-hulls and their performance isn't hampered because of that. Are there any Russian AFVs ever built with a V-hull?

    The Patton has slightly rounded edges due to the suspenstion layout. It cannot really be called a V-hull with any seriousness, nor does it give the tank any better mine-protection characteristics.

    I would be very interested in seeing the Challanger's v-hull.

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 23, 2013 12:58 am

    Tracks lets you go off-road, not on-road/trail where you are being predictable and susceptible to road bombs and IEDs. Sure, sometimes you must go on roads, but the majority of these attacks were made during patrols, and you don't patrol areas you do not control, it's suicide.

    Certain vehicles cannot operate off road... like trucks. Many people think an army is all tanks and IFVs, but the vast majority of vehicles they use are actually support vehicles... many of which have little to no off road capability that need escorts. Options include converting one of the supply vehicles to armed escort, with similar mobility but added fire power, though another interesting idea is the BMPT as a convoy escort vehicle with tank level armour and impressive firepower.

    For most heavy armoured vehicles a mine plow is more use than a v shaped hull.

    Are there any Russian AFVs ever built with a V-hull?

    It was very common for the BTR-60 and later model vehicles to not only survive mine blasts but to continue operations with one or more wheels missing... and they do not have a V hull design.

    The most popular armoured vehicle in Afghanistan however seemed to be the up armoured BMP-2 for its armour stopping HMG fire and its powerful armament.


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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  Regular on Thu May 23, 2013 12:30 pm

    There are russian mrap, not to mention typhoon tender where mine protection is something they adress. Kamaz typhoon for example - show me better protected and armored truck

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    Post  Zivo on Thu May 23, 2013 9:23 pm

    Regular wrote:There are russian mrap, not to mention typhoon tender where mine protection is something they adress. Kamaz typhoon for example - show me better protected and armored truck

    There's MRAPS with comparable capability, but none of them can claim to be as modular as Typhoon.

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:49 am

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:53 am

    Nice vehicle but such an old chassis ugh.

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    Post  Mike E on Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:56 am

    TR1 wrote:Nice vehicle but such an old chassis ugh.
    If it works don't.... 


    Better solution than coming up with a new multi-billion dollar boondoggle like, oh, hmm.....

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:04 am

    BMP-3 exists. Kurganets is around the corner.


    That chassis is outdated and has no place in the supposedly new "unified" army. Though the unified concept is already clearly a joke.

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    Post  Mike E on Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:45 am

    TR1 wrote:That chassis is outdated and has no place in the supposedly new "unified" army. Though the unified concept is already clearly a joke.
    May be outdated, but it is simple, reliable, and has been worked on for years. My point in this; why bother updating something that doesn't need it?

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:47 am

    Because it is a chassis type that is otherwise on its way out of the armed forces?

    Why not put it on the BTR-50 chassis while we are at it, even cheaper.

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    Post  Vympel on Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:56 am

    TR1 wrote:BMP-3 exists. Kurganets is around the corner.


    That chassis is outdated and has no place in the supposedly new "unified" army. Though the unified concept is already clearly a joke.

    Why is the unified concept a joke? I mean, its obvious that for some time the Army will be equipped with a mix of new 'unified' equipment and legacy equipment (and the addition of new BMP-3s to the mix is hardly helping that), but rearmament will always be gradual until eventually a lot of vehicles are part of small unified groups.

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:17 am

    Vympel wrote:
    TR1 wrote:BMP-3 exists. Kurganets is around the corner.


    That chassis is outdated and has no place in the supposedly new "unified" army. Though the unified concept is already clearly a joke.

    Why is the unified concept a joke? I mean, its obvious that for some time the Army will be equipped with a mix of new 'unified' equipment and legacy equipment (and the addition of new BMP-3s to the mix is hardly helping that), but rearmament will always be gradual until eventually a lot of vehicles are part of small unified groups.

    Going to be more exceptions than Rogozin has leather jackets.

    Also I don't believe the whole "entire units on one chassis" thing is going to be anything more than a pipedream.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:29 am

    It is very good decision to base such vehicles on older and common chassis, they are much less expensive, easily and quickly build,repaired and deployed, that safes money for new equipment in sectors which have much more need for newer and more capable vehicles. Only a headless chicken would waste money for a new chassis for some vehicle that has absolutley zero importance on its chassis capabilities, it does not have to fght other IFV's, it does not have fight anything, wasting money on BMP3 chassis would be nonsense, for much more money without zero pro's over BMP2 chassis for its job.

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:50 am

    It is stupid because the BMP-1/2 chassis is being removed from service. Introducing a vehicle that will operate for decades right as you have a new UNIFIED chassis going into service is assenine.

    And the BMP-3 chassis is much better not just in protection, but overall. Stability, mobility, load bearing.
    The engine is much better as well.

    Like I said, let's put it on BTR-50 while we are at it.

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    Post  Vympel on Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:03 am

    TR1 wrote:It is stupid because the BMP-1/2 chassis is being removed from service. Introducing a vehicle that will operate for decades right as you have a new UNIFIED chassis going into service is assenine.

    And the BMP-3 chassis is much better not just in protection, but overall. Stability, mobility, load bearing.
    The engine is much better as well.  

    Like I said, let's put it on BTR-50 while we are at it.

    Are we sure the PRP-4A is new production? Maybe its a conversion of an old chassis?

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:50 am

    Vympel wrote:
    TR1 wrote:It is stupid because the BMP-1/2 chassis is being removed from service. Introducing a vehicle that will operate for decades right as you have a new UNIFIED chassis going into service is assenine.

    And the BMP-3 chassis is much better not just in protection, but overall. Stability, mobility, load bearing.
    The engine is much better as well.  

    Like I said, let's put it on BTR-50 while we are at it.

    Are we sure the PRP-4A is new production? Maybe its a conversion of an old chassis?

    Would make sense. Been a while since new BMP-2 chassis have been made.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:00 am

    It's an upgrade of the RPM-4M

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:54 am

    Nice vehicle but such an old chassis ugh.

    A chassis they already have in service, have spare parts for...

    Why not put it on the BTR-50 chassis while we are at it, even cheaper.

    Because they probably don't have enough BTR-50 chasis or motors or spare parts.

    In comparison they likely have large numbers of BMP-2 chassis and parts in stock to use up... and when they are used up they can transfer these turrets to newer chassis.

    That chassis is outdated and has no place in the supposedly new "unified" army. Though the unified concept is already clearly a joke.

    For the concept to work the unit needs to be unified... the whole military force does not need to be unified.

    They created the 2S34 by fitting 2S1 122mm SPA vehicles with 120mm gun/mortars... this is just more of the same. They have the chasis... and the parts and the soldiers are familiar with them.... why not use them up?

    It is stupid because the BMP-1/2 chassis is being removed from service. Introducing a vehicle that will operate for decades right as you have a new UNIFIED chassis going into service is assenine.

    They have thousands of BMP-1/2 chassis and likely just as many spares and tools designed for them... this is a recon vehicle... well it is actually just a turret as the base hull is standard so why not put it on a BMP-1 or BMP-2 chassis and then when they are worn out and replacement modern chassis are ready... take the turrets off and put them on the new vehicle chassis.

    For quite some time the new vehicles wont have an enormous pool of spare parts and maintaining them will be new... why not use up old vehicles chassis till there are actually new chassis in service?



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    Post  Vympel on Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:29 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Would make sense. Been a while since new BMP-2 chassis have been made.

    In that instance, its not too bad - they're not adding any new vehicles at great expense, and the BMP-1/2 chassis will be in service for some years yet.

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    Old pictures of BMP-1 and BMP-2

    Post  BMP1SP2 on Fri May 08, 2015 1:16 pm

    Hello all,
    is there a change to also post some old pictures of BMP-1 and BMP-2 from the beginning on - so to speak from the 70s on?

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    Post  George1 on Fri May 08, 2015 2:08 pm

    BMP1SP2 wrote:Hello all,
    is there a change to also post some old pictures of BMP-1 and BMP-2 from the beginning on - so to speak from the 70s on?

    post any picture you want Smile

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 08, 2015 6:25 pm

    BMP1SP2 wrote:Hello all,
    is there a change to also post some old pictures of BMP-1 and BMP-2 from the beginning on - so to speak from the 70s on?

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  0nillie0 on Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:46 pm

    Hi all.

    First off : apologies for digging up this rather old topic. But i have a question regarding upgraded BMP-2 platforms in active service.

    Recently a new video was posted here and in other forums, which i believe to be part of the promotional material for International Army Games 2016.
    The exact video can be viewed here :

    In this video we can see at least one BMP-2 upgraded IFV with Berezhok combat module (also known as BMP-2M).

    I have watched video's from previous editions, and so far ive only seen the classic BMP-2 configuration in use.

    Has the BMP-2M upgrade configuration been officially adopted in any significant numbers by the Army? Or is this vehicle just a technology demonstrator from the factory, or a limited production test platform?

    Thanks for the input.

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    Post  franco on Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:13 pm

    The only ones I have heard of were test ones. I have never heard of orders nor know of any units using them.

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    Re: BMP-1/BMP-2 Upgrades and Variants

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:30 am

    In my experience the Soviets tended to introduce upgrades regularly on their existing forces including those in storage to keep them relevant.

    They tended to introduce only proven systems, but when they did an upgrade it tended to be to previous generation vehicles too.

    Recently they mentioned they would no longer purchase BMP-3s but it turned out they would no longer buy BMP-3s that they would still buy upgraded models like the BMP-3M etc.

    Based on this I suspect they will continue upgrades where relevant, though the alure of removing calibres from the inventory is probably very appealing to them, so eliminating the 73mm gun on the BMP-1 would make upgrades more appealing for some types more than others.


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