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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat May 16, 2015 4:53 am

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    Post  Book. on Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:30 pm

    India test the Msta S
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1338542.html
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    Post  Guest on Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:56 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Apart from being very expenses. Guided or corrected shells like Krasnopol and Copperhead have another drawback: They need a spotter relatively close to the enemy to "laze" the target.
    So the usage of this kind of shells is restricted and lacks the degree of freedom enjoyed by regular dumb shells that have been used for decades, or even centuries.

    I think that can largely be mitigated by creating a gun launched UAV with laser targeting equipment.

    Actually there should be some medium sized UAV unit attached to the artillery batallions that would give recon, fire control corrections and target designation to the artillery, also if Army ever get its own aviation there should be dedicated helicopter platform on KA60 (i guess this is the best choice) to be used as flying command post and target designation for artillery. Creating good network of systems that can designate targets is very important and Russians should invest it imo, one soldier in company can carry laser designation device, that is not much of an issue to provide one such device on 100-150 soldiers.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:26 pm

    More than 30 2S33 "Msta-SM" Self-Propelled howitzers joined Western Military District units in Moscow

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12080491@egNews

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    Post  Dima on Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:19 pm

    Cant find any details for this 2S33 spec online.
    Whats the specs for this modernized 2S33 Msta-SM, what all have changed w.r.t to the 2S19 Msta-S in this upgrade? Any chance for a longer caliber gun, say 52cal from the current 39cal?
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    Post  Guest on Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:37 pm

    Dima wrote:Cant find any details for this 2S33 spec online.
    Whats the specs for this modernized 2S33 Msta-SM, what all have changed w.r.t to the 2S19 Msta-S in this upgrade? Any chance for a longer caliber gun, say 52cal from the current 39cal?

    From what i am aware original MSTA-S is using L47 gun.

    "It is fitted with a 152-mm / L47 howitzer, which is similar to that used on the 2A65 Msta-B towed howitzer, additionally fitted with an semi-automatic loader and fume extractor."

    Only thing i found about SM some months ago that it has improved navigation equipment.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:01 am

    AFAIK the new guidance kits for standard artillery rounds include GLONASS and steering fins and can be fitted to standard shells as a normal fuse would be fitted.

    the low cost means they can be used as standard fuses, yet offer greatly improved accuracy over standard shells.

    10m CEP has been reported.

    Obviously with an area target you could calculate a pattern for the individual shells to be targeting to get a nice uniform distribution of shells too so even with area targets the guidance kits would be useful.

    Artillery batteries will have a range of recon resources that will likely include light and medium UAVs as well as helos like Ka-52 to find targets whose coordinates can be transmitted back to the artillery unit to rapidly fire on the targets.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:29 pm

    Russia's UVZ Corporation to Deliver 42 Self-Propelled Artillery MSTAs by 2019

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160907/1045052737/russia-army-uralvagonzavod.html
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    Post  storm333 on Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:27 pm

    The guided shells as mentioned requires laser designation. Such shells might be more ideal for mobile targets such at heavy armor.

    The use of SUAVS for fire adjustment has reduced the number of shells traditionally needed to take out targets. The Orlan-10  artillery combination was effectively used in Ukraine.
    The article below mentions that just 38 shells were used to take out US supplied counter battery compared to the 300 traditionally required.
    Orlan 10 UAV used in fire adjustment
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    Post  Benya on Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:32 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia's UVZ Corporation to Deliver 42 Self-Propelled Artillery MSTAs by 2019

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160907/1045052737/russia-army-uralvagonzavod.html

    This contract seems logical to me, simply because the production of the Koalitsiya cannot start until the Armata platform's production is ramped up to a certain point.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:32 pm

    This contract seems logical to me, simply because the production of the Koalitsiya cannot start until the Armata platform's production is ramped up to a certain point.

    MSTA is not Koalition...
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    Post  Benya on Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    MSTA is not Koalition...

    I know, but Koalitsiya will replace Msta.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:22 am

    There are plenty of improvements in the new model MSTAs that makes them rather more useful than the vehicles being retired or refocussed.

    The 2S3 is obsolete... even in the newer models and keeping those vehicles in service just keeps another chassis and engine and transmission in service to require spares for and trained service personel.

    MSTA is a good vehicle but now that Koalition is practically ready they should not build a huge number of a model on the verge of being replaced.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:29 pm

    Locked and Loaded: Russia Develops Unique Reloading Vehicle for MSTA Howitzers

    Russian self-propelled guns (SPG) will soon have the possibility to replenish ammunition with the help of unique support reloading vehicle, newly designed for the Russian military.

    Based on Armata Currently known under the technical name Izdelie 2-F66-1, the vehicle was developed by the Burevestnik Central R&D Institute. It is based on the KamAZ-6560 eight-wheel chassis.

    The new vehicle is equipped with a special manipulator which enables instant resupplying of an SPG without involvement of its crew. "

    As for now, the vehicle has undergone government tests. Deliveries to the armed forces will begin next year," a Burevestnik representative told the Russian newspaper Izvestia.

    The newest vehicle will be delivered along with MSTA-SV self-propelled howitzers, which were contracted by the Defense Ministry in September.


    On the outside, the new reloading vehicle looks like an ordinary truck with a container mounted in the cargo box. Inside the box, there is a revolver-type reloading system which contains 92 artillery shells. Controlled by the operator, the system rotates and delivers a projectile to a special manipulator resembling a human’s arm. The manipulator grabs the projectile and puts it in the loading mechanism of an SPG.

    Until now, having run out of ammo, SPG units had to leave artillery positions for a safe place where they could replenish ammo. Traditional reloading is time-consuming because it is done manually by the crew. The new reloading vehicle will accelerate the procedure several-fold. If previously reloading usually took up to several hours, the 2F66-1 can reload 50 shells in just several minutes.

    "Each artillery division will receive one 2F66-1 reloading vehicle. Its capabilities will increase the firing rate of artillery units by 2-3 times and seriously reduce the reloading time," a Defense Ministry source told Izvestia.

    Currently, analogues of the 2F66-1 are used with the newest Swedish howitzer Archer. It is based on the Volvo A30D chassis and can carry over 40 shells. Analogous reloading vehicles are also in service with the French military, working with the Caesar self-propelled gun.

    The introduction of the 2F66-1 is a serious step to accelerate and facilitate the work of artillery units, military expert Viktor Murakhovsky said.

    "In addition to an automated fire management system, a support reloading vehicle is an important step to increase the efficiency of the Russian artillery," he said. "The MSTA can perform eight shots a minute and, as a result, it runs out of ammo in just a few minutes. The use of automated reloading vehicle allows for rapid reloading and increased firerate."

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20161005/1046030938/russia-reloading-machine.html
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:39 am

    Νew 152-mm self-propelled howitzers 2S19M2 "Msta-S2" in lrge exercises at the Molkino training ground near Krasnodar.

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    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2507945.html

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    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:56 am

    152mm self-propelled howitzer 2S19 "Msta-S" photos in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2558306.html
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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:32 pm

    Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) subsidiary Uraltransmash has fulfilled a 3 year MTSA-S upgrade contract to 2S19M2 standard.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:25 pm

    Artillery Brigade in Kolomna - pt. of 20th Guards Army, Western Military District(ZVO), has received around 10 modernised 2S19M2 Msta-S self-propelled 152mm howitzers.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153494@egNews
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:48 am

    Seems that newly formed 236th Artillery Brigade(ABr) of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army(GvOVA),(ZVO), has received more than 10 2S19M2 SP howitzers and is to receive around 10 Shturm-S(9P149 ?) by the year end:

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12155514@egNews



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    Post  franco on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:37 am

    Article on the 2S19 listing total numbers produced by years and listing the units operating them.

    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/2019/04/24/
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    Post  George1 on Thu May 09, 2019 1:07 pm

    The 244th Artillery Brigade in Kaliningrad received self-propelled howitzers 2S19M1 Msta-S

    In response to the deployment of Crabs in Poland and Panzergaubits in Lithuania, Msta-S appeared in the Kaliningrad region.

    KALININGRAD, May 8. / Tass /. The Msta-S self-propelled artillery installation (SAU) will be demonstrated for the first time at the Victory Parade in Kaliningrad, the press service of the Baltic Fleet reported.

    "The modern self-propelled artillery installation Msta-S will take part in the military parade to be held on Victory Square on May 9 in Kaliningrad," the press service said.

    A spokesman for the press service noted that the first batch of more than 10 Msta-S self-propelled howitzers in February 2019 entered service with the 11th Army Corps of Coastal Fleet.

    it looks like all the artillery brigades of the Ground Forces and the Coastal Forces of the Navy transferred to the new states in two divisions of 152-mm guns. It remains only to find confirmation of the presence of two divisions in the 227th artillery brigade.
    some pictures from the photo essay "A night rehearsal for the Victory Parade took place in Kaliningrad." May 5, 2019

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    https://klops.ru/photo/2019-05-05/192840-v-kaliningrade-proshla-nochnaya-repetitsiya-parada-pobedy-fotoreportazh

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3635805.html
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 10, 2019 4:18 am

    To be clear regarding guided artillery shells, they have new guided shells using GLONASS guidance kits that are basically a rather large fuse you fit into the nose fuse position on an artillery shell 152mm or larger calibre and it includes control fins and a GLONASS guidance package that will land the shell within 10m of the target at pretty much any range the shell can reach. Such rounds are ideal for use against fixed or stationary targets and can include any new or old rounds because the guidance package replaces the old fuse mechanism so it can update old rounds as well as new ones.

    With Ratnik most soldiers will be able to mark targets on a battlemap that is transmitted to all supporting forces that can be used for targeting in near real time.

    In Syria the Krasnopol guided shells were widely used against moving targets like Toyota light trucks because they had UAV laser target marking support.

    The Russian and Soviet Artillery forces were really the main users of UAVs, they had the Bumblebee system for decades, though it was rather modest in terms of performance it was the most used UAV in the Russian military before the Georgian conflict made them realise it was cheap and simple and effective...

    I rather suspect they have a wide range of recon and target marking UAVs right now in the artillery brigades because they find them rather useful for finding target coordinates accurately, identifying targets properly (so you use the correct calibre and type of artillery as well the correct number of shells to deal with it), and also to observe and correct fire during the attack and of course to survey the aftermath and see if a follow up attack is needed.

    Now they can also mark moving targets with lasers to ensure the minimum number of rounds are needed for the job.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:03 am

    2nd howitzer division of 2S19M1 self-propelled systems of the 227th Artillery Brigade of the Southern Military District during exercises

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    The Russian Defense Ministry finally delivered photos of self-propelled 2S19M1 "Msta-S" 2nd howitzer self-propelled artillery battalion of the 227th artillery brigade of the 49th All-Army Army of the Southern Military District. Eighteen guns were delivered to the brigade in the spring of 2019. And this means the completion of the transition to the new state of eleven artillery brigades of the Land Forces and the Navy. Now, in brigades there are two divisions of 152mm caliber guns, one jet division on the 9K57 (BM-27) “Hurricane” machines and one anti-tank division. Two more art brigades (45th and 385th) have their own special staff. In the near future two more artillery brigades will be formed - one for the 8th Combined Arms Army and one separate for the Airborne Forces.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3720516.html

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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:25 am

    MSTA-S Video showing inside the vehicle...lots of screens and displays so these must be the new upgraded M2 model (see older post, top of the page)


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