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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:01 pm

    Have you? Care to share your perosnal photos?

    I keep hearing the claims, but not seen the evidence.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:12 pm

    Prince Darling wrote:guys the best EU companies are obviously more efficient than russian ones in more or less ever consumer product segment.
    There are obviously some exeptions but you are blind if you think that EU in general is behind russian economy or even on par with russian economy.

    i am sorry if that upsets you. russia has a lot of catching up to do, branding and consumer comfort are the areas where most has to be done, functionality and quality of build not soo much, but Russian branding outside Russia is very very weak (very much doubt that the average person has heard of many russian brands outside energy/weapons/vodka sector)

    it will be very interesting to see, how russian industry reacts to the oil price drop and low value rubel (great news for them to be honest) and if they expand into foreign markets as i expect, now is the time that money will be going into non-energy sectors, as the oil and gas market wont be bringing in astronomical returns such as in the 100$ oil era.

    This is true. Some of it has to do with what our vietnam friend said, but a lot of it has to also do with suffocation of the market. Some new names may pop up, but only in sectors were the economy was untouched (Tesla electric cars vs standard automotive companies). There is no way, no matter how much marketing and bullshit avtovaz will pull, their cars will never be big or even enter various markets. Simply to do with the fact of multitude of reasons - 1. Politics, 2. Overproduction from other brands, 3. Strength of the other companies positions in their respective countries. They will fill a nitch market but the only thing they can do now is take in companies that already produce such goods to open a manufacturing plant in Russia. Outside of that, Russian domestic companies will always face issues with EU and NA goods in competition. They did afterall have far more than 25 years headstart.

    Hence why they must push their brands in developing countries whom dont already have manufacturing for such goods there. Hence why Avtovaz has to be more agressive. But since Avtovaz isnt Russian anymore so maybe other companies will have to.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:33 pm

    Some instersting data for Oil at $40

    Probability of conservative scenario for Russian economy in next 3 years is low — ministry

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:36 pm

    Perfect Storm ?

    Trade turnover between Russia and China expected to recover in 2-3 years

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/817015

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:43 pm

    Help Russia during testing time of sanctions, Rostec appeals to Modi government

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:01 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Have you? Care to share your perosnal photos?

    I keep hearing the claims, but not seen the evidence.
    I don't have any personal photos to offer, but the infrastructure does get a lot poorer when you go to Russia.

    For example Kuusamo (a small city in northern Finland) is a modern and well developed Finnish town. You can nowadays cross to Russia from Kuusamo. You should see how these small villages and towns  look like in East Karelia (or Viena Karelia as it is called in Finland) in Russia. It looks probably the same that Kuusamo looked in the 1940's and 1950's. There is no running water in these villages. You see cows, hen and chicken wandering on the dirt roads at summers.

    They look like this:



    I realize that this is not how all of Russia looks like, but there are no underdeveloped places like this in Finland at all. Even the most remote villages have the basic services (even internet connections).


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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:02 pm

    Austin wrote:Some instersting data for Oil at $40

    Probability of conservative scenario for Russian economy in next 3 years is low — ministry

    They should, imo, set a budget with the idea of oil being $20bbl. The budget at first would be considerably smaller, but over time, excess of money from oil and gas should go directly to the governments reserve (not CBR) so that it would be used to finance important infrastructure and major state run companies exapansions. This would ultimately break the bond between fed budget and oil/gas.

    These stress tests are nothing but hoopla. Europe did plenty on their banking system and it was a joke. Essentially, Russia needs to step back a bit, maybe extend deadlines when certain projects need to be finished (SAP-2020) and move any saved finances towards industry, construction and services.

    The other thing to do is fire the economics minister. Get someone else who knows more about their own economy. Someone who will act rather than not. This guy sure sounds alot like the idiots we have in our government.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:07 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Have you? Care to share your perosnal photos?

    I keep hearing the claims, but not seen the evidence.
    I don't have any personal photos to offer, but the infrastructure does get a lot poorer when you go to Russia.

    For example Kuusamo (a small city in northern Finland) is a modern and well developed Finnish town. You can nowadays cross to Russia from Kuusamo. You should see how these small villages and towns  look like in East Karelia (or Viena Karelia as it is called in Finland) in Russia. It looks probably the same that Kuusamo looked in the 1940's and 1950's. There is no running water in these villages. You see cows, hen and chicken wandering on the dirt roads at summers.

    They look like this:



    I realize that this is not how all of Russia looks like, but there are no underdeveloped places like this in Finland at all. Even the most remote villages have the basic services (even internet connections).

    I highly doubt your last statement, as we have various areas in Canada that doesnt have internet. Some even without running water.

    But also take into consideration of sheer size of Russia and population vs Finland.  Much easier for Finland.  As well, that photo has powerlines going to those homes. So they clearly have utilities.  Roads suck, I agree.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:20 pm

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    Karl Haushofer wrote:

    I highly doubt your last statement, as we have various areas in Canada that doesnt have internet. Some even without running water.

    But also take into consideration of sheer size of Russia and population vs Finland.  Much easier for Finland.  As well, that photo has powerlines going to those homes. So they clearly have utilities.  Roads suck, I agree.

    Well, anyone can build a wooden shack to a Finnish forest and go to live there without internet connection. But every population center (with more than 50 people) has an access to internet, even in the northern part of the country.

    Yes, I think they have utilities but a these small villages in Eastern Karelia don't have a running water. In northern Finland there were some small villages without running water in the 1970's but not anymore.

    And I think population density is more important than the size of the country. Finland has a very low population density, especially in the northern Finland. This is why it's impressive that Finland has been able to develop the whole country. Might be a different thing in the future though. Finland is going downwards rather than upwards.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:27 pm

    145 - 147 mil pop vs 5.5mil

    17,098,242 km^2 vs 338,424 km^2

    Utilities in Finland have a lot less distance to travel to connect to other locations. As well, lower population, easier it is to take care of it, unless you are an African country.

    Go back to your hole flagship....karl or whatever.

    Btw, good job on ignoring KVS reply. But he did put you in yoir place and doesnt quite work out to your liking.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:33 pm

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  Dforce on Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:38 pm

    Next mission for Mr. Gangsta, and this time it is Apple under attack:


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    Post  bmtppk on Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:42 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLO7IFANBM

    i thought one of the guys here said my grandfathers dont get 5k-6k RUB per month

    hahhaha even the russian guy says that in the comments, also another comment that caught my eye

    Это внучка Сталина — Крис Эванс. Ей 40 лет, живёт в Портленде,США владелица винтажного магазина.
    «Гражданин США Сергей Хрущёв бывает в Москве наездами, в основном на презентациях своих книг и похоронах своих родственников. Правнучка Никиты Сергеевича, Нина Львовна Хрущёва, преподает на факультете международных отношений в университете New School в Нью-Йорке.

    Преподавала хореографию в Майами внучка председателя КГБ СССР и Генсека КПСС Юрия Андропова, Татьяна Игоревна Андропова. Там же, в США, живет и её брат Константин Игоревич Андропов.
    Правнук Леонида Ильича по линии сына, Дмитрий, сейчас изучает политологию в Оксфордском университете. В Калифорнии живет и племянница Леонида Брежнева — Любовь Яковлевна.
    Дочь главного идеолога позднего коммунизма, аскета Михаила Суслова, Майя Михайловна Сумарокова, с 1990 года вместе с мужем и двумя сыновьями живет в Австрии.

    Дочь Горбачева Ирина Вирганская живет, в основном, в Сан-Франциско, где располагается главный офис «Горбачев-Фонда», в котором она работает вице-президентом».
    Да, и что-то никто из детей коммунистических бонз не хочет оседать в КНДР или Венесуэле


    Коммунисты порвали свои партбилеты. Горбачёв теперь в Англии юбилеи справляет. Дети наших комунистов учатся в Кембриждах, ездят на иностранных Бентли.Круизят на яхтах идея обзывать других предателями процветает до сих пор вступить во 2 Мировую войну, захватив Польшу с дружком-Гитлером Сначала послать наш Солдат на советско-нацистский парад в Бресте, врать им 70 лет про изобилие при коммунизме, потом обокрасть, дав им нищенские пенсии? Товарищ, не там предателей ищете.А где парт билет Путлера — Дочь Сталина — десятилетия жила и умерла в США.
    — Сын Хрущева — гражданин США.
    — Где дочери Путина? В России их не видно.
    — Депутат Пехтин. С сыном в США.
    — Министр транспорта Московской области — Кацыва. С сыном в США.
    — Дети депутата Железняка — живут в Швейцарии.
    — Дети Астахова. Один во Франции, другой в Англии.
    — Дети и внуки "главного патриота России" главы РЖД Владимира Якунина живут за пределами страны — в Англии и Швейцарии.
    — Дочка министра иностранных дел Сергея Лаврова Екатерина живет и учится в США.
    — Сын — вице–спикера госдумы А.Жукова долго жил и учился в Лондоне.
    — Дочь вице–спикера гос.думы Сергея Анденко учится и живёт в Германии.
    — Старший сын вице–премьера Дмитрия Козака — Алексей живет за границей и занимается строительным бизнесом.
    — Младший брат Алексея Козака, Александр, работает в Credit Suisse
    — Старший сын депутата Ремезкова, Степан, недавно закончил милитер–колледж Вэлли Фордж в Пенсильвании (год обучения стоит 1 млн 295 761 руб.). Его младшая дочь живёт в Вене, где занимается гимнастикой. Маша Ремезкова представляла сборную Австрии(!!!) на детских соревнованиях в Любляне.
    — Дочь депутата В. Фетисова — Анастасия, выросла и выучилась в США.Писать и читать по–русски Настя так и не научилась.
    — Дочь Светланы Нестеровой, депутата гос.думы от фракции "Единая Россия" — живет в Англии.
    — У главного борца за "традиционные православные ценности" Е. Мизулиной сын Николай учился в Оксфорде, получил диплом и переехал жить на постоянной основе в толерантную Бельгию, где разрешены однополые браки.
    — Дочь депутата Воронцова Анна проживает в Италии. Туда она переехала из Германии.
    — У единоросса Елены Раховой, прославившейся тем, что она ленинградцев, проживших менее 120 дней в блокаде, назвала "недоблокадниками", дочь живет в США.
    — Дочь экс–спикера ГД,одного из основателей партии "Единая Россия", а ныне члена Совбеза Бориса Грызлова Евгения живёт в Таллине. И даже недавно получила эстонское гражданство.
    — Сын бывшего министра образования Андрей Фурсенко живёт на постоянной основе в США.
    — Сын В.Никонова (внука Молотова), президента фонда "Политика" — гражданин США.
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    Мужская смертность в России одна из самых высоких в мире. При этом 30% умерших - это мужчины трудоспособного возраста. Средняя продолжительность жизни у мужчин на 13 лет меньше, чем у женщин - у женщин 72 года, у мужчин 58,8. Основные причины - алкоголизм, онкология, травмы и отравления. Смертность от злоупотребления алкоголем за последние 5 лет возросла в России в 3,5 раза. По смертности в дорожно-транспортных происшествиях Россия обогнал европейские страны в два раза Россия - богатейшая страна в миреУдивляться надо не тому, что жить стало хуже, а тому, что мы вообще живы . Целые города и села прекращают свое существование из-за отсутствия в них населения

    funny how all the ''important people''s children either are citizens of a foreign country or live there. Because they know russia is a shithole after being in foreign countries. They know the country is fucked. it kinda makes me sad there is NO future for russians in russia

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:27 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:

    I highly doubt your last statement, as we have various areas in Canada that doesnt have internet. Some even without running water.

    But also take into consideration of sheer size of Russia and population vs Finland.  Much easier for Finland.  As well, that photo has powerlines going to those homes. So they clearly have utilities.  Roads suck, I agree.

    Well, anyone can build a wooden shack to a Finnish forest and go to live there without internet connection. But every population center (with more than 50 people) has an access to internet, even in the northern part of the country.

    Yes, I think they have utilities but a these small villages in Eastern Karelia don't have a running water. In northern Finland there were some small villages without running water in the 1970's but not anymore.

    And I think population density is more important than the size of the country. Finland has a very low population density, especially in the northern Finland. This is why it's impressive that Finland has been able to develop the whole country. Might be a different thing in the future though. Finland is going downwards rather than upwards.

    Every Russian village has electricity, even some completely remote mountain settlements in Dagestan or villages in the middle of the Siberian tundra.

    Most Russian villages have running water, and I think most are gasified too.

    About internet I dunno, but remote houses or villages can always rely on satellite connections; it's the same for remote regions in most Western countries too.

    State of the roads for most of these villages and small settlements are usually terrible; but if you're acquainted with Russian cars or trucks then you know that they're designed to handle these conditions.

    Generally speaking it's completely unfarir to compare the quality of Finnish and Russian infrastructure. The two countries face completely different challenges. Their climates are similar but that's the only thing in common.
    About the sparcely-populated Finnish North - there are areas in Russia which are x100 as big, and with x10 as few people - than the 'very low population density' Northern Finland.

    Distances between nearest settlements in Russia can reach into the hundreds of kilometres. There can be just a few villages, with few people living between them, but hundreds of kilometres of road still needed to maintain communication between them and with the rest of the country. It's very expensive to maintain such infastructure when there is so little economic benefit to offset the cost, but nevertheless it is usually done (except for small settlements in the far north, which are resupplied by helicopter at great expense).

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:51 am

    Prince Darling wrote:guys the best EU companies are obviously more efficient than russian ones in more or less ever consumer product segment.

    What are you talking about?  What consumer product segment?  Ever hear of China?  Look at the lebels on these "EU" products.
    You are using the same broad and uninformed brush that the other one was using.  

    It is patent nonsense to claim that "russian" companies are all inferior to some mythical EU companies.   Nokia does not exist anymore
    and the makers of YotaPhone are clearly not inferior in any sense of the word.   Their latest models have truly revolutionary features.


    There are obviously some exeptions but you are blind if you think that EU in general is behind russian economy or even on par with russian economy.

    i am sorry if that upsets you. russia has a lot of catching up to do, branding and consumer comfort are the areas where most has to be done, functionality and quality of build not soo much, but Russian branding outside Russia is very very weak (very much doubt that the average person has heard of many russian brands outside energy/weapons/vodka sector)

    it will be very interesting to see, how russian industry reacts to the oil price drop and low value rubel (great news for them to be honest) and if they expand into foreign markets as i expect, now is the time that money will be going into non-energy sectors, as the oil and gas market wont be bringing in astronomical returns such as in the 100$ oil era.

    What upsets me is the typical chauvinist westerner ignoramus pontification on all things Russian.   Before generalizing based
    on basically nothing, it would help to go and buy a clue.

    It's funny how you and others like you expect Russian transition to capitalism to be instantaneous when every single freaking
    western company took many decades to reach the level you think is somehow intrinsic to your gene pool.   I only need to cite
    names like Novator and Schwabe to demonstrate that Russian companies are reaching world leading levels.   Since Russia is
    in an epic transition that not a single western country has had to endure, it can be forgiven for actually taking a few years
    to spin up.   Finger snapping "internet judges" and their opinions are ridiculous.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #5

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:08 am

    Am I understanding this correctly??

    U.S. International Reserve Position
    8/21/2015
    The Treasury Department today released U.S. reserve assets data for the latest week. As indicated in this table, U.S. reserve assets totaled $121,181 million as of the end of that week, compared to $120,036 million as of the end of the prior week.

    http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/IR-Position/Pages/08212015.aspx


    Russia’s international reserves stood at $364.6 billion as of August 21 — regulator
    Economy
    August 27, 15:50
    MOSCOW, August 27. /TASS/. Russia’s international reserves mostly comprising gold and foreign currency increased by $1.7 billion in the week of August 14-21 to $364.6 billion, the Central Bank of Russia said on Thursday.

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/816957

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